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post #41 of 197
10/14/12 at 12:20pm
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But there's one thing to consider, and that's that even if they do market it as a video player many would regard the mini as a useful thing to have for everything else and not playing back media.  If surfing and reading are good it's still a winner at 8GB.

Plus, you don't need to keep much on there, just what you might want to watch on the subway this week, then trash as soon as watched.  That's what I've been doing on my 8G iPod Touch for years.  It doesn't hold the whole of the videos, podcasts and music in my iTunes library, just stuff for the week or two.  Not for full length HD, but when you convert for the quality of a small player the mp4s are pretty small.  And normal books don't take up much.
Ah, so that's how Apple markets it....explaining to you all the ways to not fill it up. lol.gif all the while Google says "hey our device might be a little smaller but it's more portable and and has more space for basically the same price".
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post #42 of 197
10/14/12 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


Yes, if they're going the 8GB route just to match some price point. iPod Nano is 16GB, touch is 32GB OR 64GB. Offering an iPad with only 8GB makes no sense. I understand the "premium" for Apple quality/user experience/ecosystem, etc. But 8GB fills up fast. Textbooks and especially magazines take up a lot of space.

 

It makes sense for VERY low usage, but I think that hinders the user experience so yeah.... it doesn't make sense. Perhaps they want the cloud to provide the content and apps on demand - but iOS 6 doesn't offer that, and I personally don't want to burden my Internet connection (or PAID cellular connection) for that.

 

UNLESS they change the model of how it's used. For example a $300 iPad/AppleTV combo, where the iPad is really a sophisticated remote control. Or the apps and books are stored on a local iTunes account and dynamically thrown to the iPad (a local 'cloud' cache) - but again no indication that iOS6 can do that, even if the new iTunes is able to act as a cloud cache.

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post #43 of 197
10/14/12 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

But a smaller device with only twice the storage isn't?

Are you referring to the Nexus or the iPod Touch?
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post #44 of 197
10/14/12 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


I wish Jony Ive could get in front of the bean counters and/or marketing guys and strangle them. Offering an 8GB model just so the first price you see on a website is $249 is ridiculous. How the hell does Phil Schiller spin that?

Well, Phil Schiller just won't emphasize it's shortcomings, much like he side-stepped any hardware upgrades in last year's iPod Touch using 2010 technology for a minor discount.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhdmZ7iNZYo&t=49m02s

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/10/if-the-a5-makes-mobile-gaming-awesome-why-isnt-it-in-the-ipod-touch/

 

Even though it included iOS 5, but 2010 iPod Touch owners got that anyway....

 

Instead of keeping all SoCs in sync across iOS devices (A5s in 2011 iPad and iPhone products), Apple set a precedence by reserving the newer SoCs for their premium-tier products.   Though maybe they didn't have enough to go around, or they wanted those to go to their iOS product with more 'perceived value'. 

 

At this point (and well into the future), I would assume that the iPad and iPhone will be the premium-tier iOS devices (with current SoCs), and iPod Touch and iPad mini's will be second-tier iOS devices (with last year's SoCs), even though it appears that current SoCs barely cost anymore for about twice the performance --  

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/pages/Many-iPhone-5-Components-Change-But-Most-Suppliers-Remain-the-Same-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

 

It may just come down to availability of current year SoCs, but given how Apple charges for flash storage upgrades, it's more likely 'perceived value' and profits.

 

I'd really like an iPad mini, but Apple better put one hell of a spin for me to buy any iOS device at these prices.    I just wonder how they're going to spin a tablet with a 2010 processor, lower-resolution screen, with an inadequate amount of flash storage.  Maybe it will include a modified A6.  I know, I'm dreaming....

 

I'll probably end up waiting for a 2014 iPad or the version including the PowerVR G6400 -- 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/10/2696934/powervr-series-6-mobile-gpu-announcement-ces-2012

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/46070-imagination-releases-powervr-6-more-powerful-than-hd-7750.html


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post #45 of 197
10/14/12 at 12:56pm
It better not be! I'm disappointed in how heavy the New IPad is compared to IPad 2.
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post #46 of 197
10/14/12 at 12:59pm
Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post
Are you referring to the Nexus or the iPod Touch?

 

The latter, but if also the former, feel free to include it.


Originally Posted by Photonlake View Post
It better not be! I'm disappointed in how heavy the New IPad is compared to IPad 2.

 

0.1 pounds. How utterly disappointing. The first gen was 1.5 lbs. That's still crazy light.

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post #47 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:33pm
Isn't it obvious that this list is a fake.

An 8GB iPad is ridiculous. Never. You'd have to e daftto even consider buying sucha product if Apple offered it, which Apple would not.
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post #48 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:38pm

If the lowest iPad Mini model comes in at $249 USD, then it's fairly obvious that it's going to sell like crazy. Expect to see many iPad minis underneath many X-Mas trees in a few months. 

 

That's a ridiculously cheap price point for people to be able to get an iPad and to gain access to the Apple eco-system, which of course is the best on the planet and miles ahead of everybody else.

 

And to those who say that 8GB is too little, then just buy a higher model and quit your whining, problem solved. 

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post #49 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:55pm
The prices look very plausible. Competing well enough with the bottom-feeders, while still getting good margins for the higher spec machines, and differentiation from the iPod touch models (basically a screen vs memory trade-off). And yes, these prices would includes sales tax (VAT), so it could sell for equivalent prices in US$, maximally starting at $299.
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post #50 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

An 8GB iPad is ridiculous. Never. You'd have to e daftto even consider buying sucha product if Apple offered it, which Apple would not.

 

Wrong.

 

Personally, I wouldn't buy an 8GB iPad, as I already own a shit load of apps (probably over 100 GB), but for certain people (people who are on a budget, or maybe somebody buying an iPad for their kids), 8 GB is doable.

 

You could load it up with Netflix, HBO GO, Max GO and Amazon player, and have instant access to thousands and thousands of movies and series. Those apps take up almost no space at all. 

 

8 GB is fully doable for many people. That means people who do not need to store a ton of media on their device and people who rely a lot on streaming content, plus people who are on a budget who wish to get their paws on an iPad for as cheap as possible.

 

I'd rather have a 4 GB iPad instead of a 64 GB Android tablet.

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post #51 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:57pm
Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post
Isn't it obvious that this list is a fake. An 8GB iPad is ridiculous. Never. You'd have to e daftto even consider buying sucha product if Apple offered it, which Apple would not.

 

I buy it.

 

The list, that is. Not the…

 

"WE KNOW. GET ON WITH IT."

 

…well, then.

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post #52 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

A $100 upcharge for a relatively inexpensive component cost on another 8GB of storage is where the money is.

 

Absolutely.

If they price their base product (whatever it is) with no profit at all, but most people want to pay extra for the next model up which has a much bigger profit, it's a nice strategy.

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post #53 of 197
10/14/12 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by Photonlake View Post

It better not be! I'm disappointed in how heavy the New IPad is compared to IPad 2.

Yeah, Apple really badly misses having people like you as a customer.....ᵢ

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post #54 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

Isn't it obvious that this list is a fake.
An 8GB iPad is ridiculous. Never. You'd have to e daftto even consider buying sucha product if Apple offered it, which Apple would not.
I agree. I'd love to see how Phil Schiller could flog an 8GB $250 device. These "it's not Android" comments are ridiculous. The Nexus 7 is not a bad device at all. And if you're using such a device for books or video content does the underlying OS really matter that much? Is a Kindle or Nook app going to be that much different on Android vs iOS?
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post #55 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by MattBookAir View Post

The prices look very plausible. Competing well enough with the bottom-feeders, while still getting good margins for the higher spec machines, and differentiation from the iPod touch models (basically a screen vs memory trade-off). And yes, these prices would includes sales tax (VAT), so it could sell for equivalent prices in US$, maximally starting at $299.
So an 8GB device for $299 is competing with the bottom feeders? Apple should be laughed out of the room for even thinking they can get away with an 8GB device that is $50-$100 mor than devices that have twice or more storage space.
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post #56 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:07pm
Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
And if you're using such a device for books or video content does the underlying OS really matter that much?

 

Thing is, it isn't designed for books. It's designed as a smaller tablet.


You want an eReader, buy an eReader.

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post #57 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


I agree. I'd love to see how Phil Schiller could flog an 8GB $250 device. These "it's not Android" comments are ridiculous. The Nexus 7 is not a bad device at all. And if you're using such a device for books or video content does the underlying OS really matter that much? Is a Kindle or Nook app going to be that much different on Android vs iOS?

I think that your comment is ridiculous.

 

Why would you get upset if Apple offers an 8GB model? If 8GB is not cutting it for you, then you choose another model. Or you could even go and buy an Android tablet, Apple doesn't care about what you do.

 

And also "it's not Android" comments are not ridiculous at all. A purchaser of the entry level iPad Mini model still gains access to the Apple App store, which just kicks ass, compared to everybody else, having more apps, better games and better everything.

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post #58 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

Absolutely.
If they price their base product (whatever it is) with no profit at all, but most people want to pay extra for the next model up which has a much bigger profit, it's a nice strategy.
So a 7.85 8GB device priced at $299 would be break even for Apple? I somehow doubt that.
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post #59 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by tylerk36 View Post

An 8 GB iPad Mini?  I thought Apple was trying to get away from low capacity devices?

It'll be discontinued within a year. It is possible to construe a use for an 8gb iPad - dedicated use, few apps, no music or movies, minor amount of browsing, some email (perhaps not), messaging - such as retail POS. But realistically i think the sales number for an 8gb model will make it uneconomical over time. Next year it'll be 16, 32 and 64.

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post #60 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

So an 8GB device for $299 is competing with the bottom feeders? Apple should be laughed out of the room for even thinking they can get away with an 8GB device that is $50-$100 mor than devices that have twice or more storage space.

The way the iPad was laughed out of the room for trying to compete with tablets with a "real" OS? The way the iPhone was laughed out of the room for trying to compete with smartphones with "real" keyboards?

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post #61 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by "Apple 
[" url="/t/153366/retailer-purports-to-show-ipad-mini-in-wi-fi-cellular-models-priced-from-250-650-euros/40#post_2211319"]I think that your comment is ridiculous.

Why would you get upset if Apple offers an 8GB model? If 8GB is not cutting it for you, then you choose another model. Or you could even go and buy an Android tablet, Apple doesn't care about what you do.

And also "it's not Android" comments are not ridiculous at all. A purchaser of the entry level iPad Mini model still gains access to the Apple App store, which just kicks ass, compared to everybody else, having more apps, better games and better everything.
I think 8GB at $299 is a ripoff. Especially with Google now selling the Nexus 7 at ~$260 for 32GB. 16GB at $299 would make more sense. That I think would really fly off the shelves. 8GB Is just chintzy. Heck even the iPod Nano starts at 16GB, and the iPod touch is 32/64GB.
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post #62 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:15pm
Originally Posted by paxman View Post
It'll be discontinued within a year.

 

Hmm. What say an informal bet? I think it'll be out faster than the 4GB iPhone, breaking the record for most quickly discontinued Apple product.

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post #63 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


I think 8GB at $299 is a ripoff. 

 

You're entitled to think that of course. I do think that it will sell quite well (and so will the other, higher models), so there will obviously be many people out there who have a differing opinion, and they won't have any problems with forking their cash over to Apple.

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post #64 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

 

Wrong.

 

Personally, I wouldn't buy an 8GB iPad, as I already own a shit load of apps (probably over 100 GB), but for certain people (people who are on a budget, or maybe somebody buying an iPad for their kids), 8 GB is doable.

 

You could load it up with Netflix, HBO GO, Max GO and Amazon player, and have instant access to thousands and thousands of movies and series. Those apps take up almost no space at all. 

 

8 GB is fully doable for many people. That means people who do not need to store a ton of media on their device and people who rely a lot on streaming content, plus people who are on a budget who wish to get their paws on an iPad for as cheap as possible.

 

I'd rather have a 4 GB iPad instead of a 64 GB Android tablet.

This is exactly right.  8GB is not meant for the average AppleInsider forum member (I would imagine an iPad owned by someone in this group is at least 32GB and probably more likely 64GB).  It's for their kids or it's entry level into the iOS ecosystem for the budget conscious.

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post #65 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:22pm
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The way the iPad was laughed out of the room for trying to compete with tablets with a "real" OS? The way the iPhone was laughed out of the room for trying to compete with smartphones with "real" keyboards?
What is wrong with hoping for en entry point of 16GB at $299. Why is it so hard to believe the consumer might think 8GB at $299 is a ripoff? 8GB at $249 maybe, but $299? And especially if its using older tech?
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post #66 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by diplication View Post

This is exactly right.  8GB is not meant for the average AppleInsider forum member (I would imagine an iPad owned by someone in this group is at least 32GB and probably more likely 64GB).  It's for their kids or it's entry level into the iOS ecosystem for the budget conscious.
$299 isn't exactly budget conscious. If I was a parent then I'd get my kid(s) an iPod touch which gives you 4x the storage and a retina screen.
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post #67 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:26pm
Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
What is wrong with hoping for en entry point of 16GB at $299.

 

Nothing. Demanding it is another story.


Why is it so hard to believe the consumer might think 8GB at $299 is a ripoff?

 

Likely because Apple has done this many times in the past and people don't really care.

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post #68 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by "Apple 
[" url="/t/153366/retailer-purports-to-show-ipad-mini-in-wi-fi-cellular-models-priced-from-250-650-euros/40#post_2211328"]
You're entitled to think that of course. I do think that it will sell quite well (and so will the other, higher models), so there will obviously be many people out there who have a differing opinion, and they won't have any problems with forking their cash over to Apple.
Well hopefully this is just bad information and the staring point will be 16GB. I do think 8GB these days is laughable.
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post #69 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Nothing. Demanding it is another story.

Likely because Apple has done this many times in the past and people don't really care.
And perhaps this will be one time where it doesn't work?
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post #70 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

I wish Jony Ive could get in front of the bean counters and/or marketing guys and strangle them. Offering an 8GB model just so the first price you see on a website is $249 is ridiculous. How the hell does Phil Schiller spin that?

A bit over the top here, aren't we? And later on in the thread, you jack yourself up to ranting about $299. What's up? Have you tried getting more sleep?
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post #71 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:32pm

IF this is real, and IF it translates directly into dollars, I think the 249 for 8gb works out well.  That makes a good browser/basic apps/reader platform price, and a 50 dollar "premium" for Apple is good.  I'm a little surprised by a 100 dollar jump to 16gb though.

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post #72 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


Well hopefully this is just bad information and the staring point will be 16GB. I do think 8GB these days is laughable.

The list looks legit, IMO. In a little more than a week, don't be too disappointed when Apple reveals an 8GB iPad Mini.

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post #73 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:37pm
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What is wrong with hoping for en entry point of 16GB at $299. Why is it so hard to believe the consumer might think 8GB at $299 is a ripoff? 8GB at $249 maybe, but $299? And especially if its using older tech?

Nothing wrong with saying "I think they will offer 16GB as the minimum" but that isn't what you said now is it.

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post #74 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:37pm
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IF this is real, and IF it translates directly into dollars, I think the 249 for 8gb works out well.  That makes a good browser/basic apps/reader platform price, and a 50 dollar "premium" for Apple is good.  I'm a little surprised by a 100 dollar jump to 16gb though.

Agreed, 8G will be fine for millions of people. Maybe many millions.
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post #75 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by doctrsnoop View Post

IF this is real, and IF it translates directly into dollars, I think the 249 for 8gb works out well. 

 

After further examination of that list, I think that we're looking at $299 USD for the entry level model.

 

250 Euros = 324 USD, so $249 is kind of unrealistic I think.

 

I'm betting that the iPad Mini will start at $299. That makes sense.

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post #76 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

 

After further examination of that list, I think that we're looking at $299 USD for the entry level model.

 

250 Euros = 324 USD, so $249 is kind of unrealistic I think.

 

I'm betting that the iPad Mini will start at $299. That makes sense.

But I think that Euro Price includes VAT.  Or some other factor.  I believe traditionally the Euro price listed tends to equal the dollar listed price, the way we in the US are used to seeing it.

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post #77 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post


$299 isn't exactly budget conscious. If I was a parent then I'd get my kid(s) an iPod touch which gives you 4x the storage and a retina screen.

As a parent I can confidently say that my kids don't notice the retina screen of the new iPhone vs the old iPhone, so I think that can be ignored. If it uses less battery by having that screen (and lower graphics processing) that's a plus for a smaller battery too.

 

The size is a different matter though. There are some huge kids games that my kids really enjoy. If I had 8 GB and if it was for my kids, I wouldn't give them any games over 100MB (they'd have them occasionally on our phone or iPad).

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post #78 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:51pm
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But I think that Euro Price includes VAT.  Or some other factor.  I believe traditionally the Euro price listed tends to equal the dollar listed price, the way we in the US are used to seeing it.

Yes, you're absolutely correct! I forgot about those crazy Euroheads and their ridiculous VAT.

 

The list is from Germany, and VAT in Germany is 19%.

 

So if we deduct roughly 20% from 250 euros, that leaves us with 200 euros, and 200 Euros converted to USD = $259, so yeah, I suppose that a price point of around $250 USD for the iPad Mini makes sense now.

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post #79 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:54pm
Had to actually read all the posts through to see if people really missed it, and they did.

Did everyone forget about schools? They won't be storing music and videos that take up space. 8GB can store an awful lot of textbooks, even ones with illustrations. This is who I think the 8GB model is targeted to.

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post #80 of 197
10/14/12 at 2:57pm
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So a 7.85 8GB device priced at $299 would be break even for Apple? I somehow doubt that.

My comment was far more general - focussed on the premise that they make much more profit on the bigger devices. They really don't need to profit from their cheapest devices to make a huge profit overall, and by pricing the lowest end products cheap it can lead to greater sales of the higher priced devices and profit overall. Plus they sell content.

 

Besides, don't be fooled into thinking the cost-of-parts breakdown of Apple devices reflect profit. They haven't factored in the R&D, production line setups, distribution networks, and the number of people paid directly or indirectly to make the device. Etc.  If you want to assume that they make back their R&D etc from the higher priced items, that's artificially changing how you divide the costs which isn't realistic anyway.

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