Originally Posted by Marvin
It could but if you assume they will launch early next year, they'd have to go with Sandy Bridge EP. That doesn't make sense when they could have done it this year and Ivy Bridge EP will be out just a few months later. What reason would they have for a minor update in June after 2 years and then do a SB update 7 months later? In the context of the available hardware, 'later next year' fits when it means later on in the year.Quote:
Honestly I think you are trying to hard here. First, I don't think Apple really cares when Intel releases any of its XEON chips. Just look at the current Mac pro and the rather late updates it has gotten. Beyond that they might just give up on the current XEON chips for the XEON Phi which is to debut late Nov. or December if rumors are to be believed.
While 'later' can be misinterpreted, Ivy Bridge EP's launch date can't be and I strongly believe that either the next MP will be based on Ivy bridge or they will put a Xeon in the iMac.Quote:
Well considering what has happened with Sandy Bridge E you can't be sure that any date will hold for the Ivy Bridge based XEONs.
It wouldn't be surprising to me if the Retina iMac was in fact the 'iMac Pro' with a Xeon. 4K displays are ridiculously expensive. If Apple comes along with one at $2499 with say a 95W 6/8-core Ivy Bridge Xeon chip and an 8970M, that's going to work for a lot of people.Quote:
Given just a few design changes that could work for me, but then again I've never really been drawn to the Mac Pro. Simply put it has never been properly priced for the type of workstation the Pro is.
Here's what Steve Jobs said about the desktop in 1995:
"The desktop computer industry is dead. Innovation has virtually ceased. Microsoft dominates with very little innovation. That's over. Apple lost. The desktop market has entered the dark ages, and it's going to be in the dark ages for the next 10 years, or certainly for the rest of this decade.Quote:
Very interesting and timely as Apple is really killing the desktop computer right now. However they are not completely dead and never will be. The other thing is it has just about been the ten years projected and frankly technology has changed enough that Apple could do real innovation on the desktop. They do it for the laptop market so why not spend a little cash to innovate on the desktop? This is what is frustrating to me, they really haven't even tried to introduce something truly new in years. The Mini was about the last new machine they have introduced. The only reason the iMac sells so well is that customers have little choice if they want to stay on the Mac platform with a reasonably competent machine.
It's like when IBM drove a lot of innovation out of the computer industry before the microprocessor came along. Eventually, Microsoft will crumble because of complacency, and maybe some new things will grow. But until that happens, until there's some fundamental technology shift, it's just over.Quote:
To look at it another way MS is crumbling and the time is right for Apple to step up to the plate with hardware that shows a little innovation. There is no doubt in my mind that Steve was right about the PC industry and the lack of innovation but that does't excuse the lack of innovation form Apple. Apple really has no excuse, they don't have Mircosoft holding them back, at this point even Intel can't hold them back.
The most exciting things happening today are objects and the Web. The Web is exciting for two reasons. One, it's ubiquitous. There will be Web dial tone everywhere. And anything that's ubiquitous gets interesting. Two, I don't think Microsoft will figure out a way to own it. There's going to be a lot more innovation, and that will create a place where there isn't this dark cloud of dominance."Quote:
Honestly I think the web at times is overblown. Yes it is important, just as any form of communications is important, but it isn't the end all some make it out to be. The biggest problem with the web is that it is turning into a huge pay to play sand box which many people will reject. This is especially the case as rates continue to increase and service levels decrease, it is just an expense many can live without.
This was of course before the iMac but the same statement can be reapplied. Where's the innovation in the Mac Pro for the target audience? Quote:
This is a good question which I think is where much of the frustration about the Mac Pro comes from. The lack of innovation or just plain attention to the product is appalling.
I wouldn't say Apple is complacent with the MP but they are indifferent towards it because it hasn't achieved great success and it can't. They can't own the workstation tower market any more and if they did, not enough people would care.Quote:
Actually I think the time is rip for some organization like Apple to own the workstation market. If not own certainly lead it into the future.
The exciting things today are happening with mobile devices because they are ubiquitous - this was the shift that has unseated Microsoft's dominance. This is great for hardware manufacturers, OS developers, software developers, publishers and consumers.Quote:
Exciting yes. Growing Yes. Massive yes. Everything you say is true but that doesn't mean desktop hardware will cease to exist. Nor does it mean that innovation has to stop there. If anything it means that innovation has to be considered to keep the market fresh. Frankly it is almost like Apple here is having a KODAK moment. I don't mean that in the good way of taking pictures either. In a nut shell they are so wrapped up in their current success they are ignoring the bigger picture.
Every product Apple makes has an area of emphasis. When the demand for that area of emphasis is so small, why make the product? The demand for power is still there but there's a lot less demand for the highest power. People are content playing games at medium quality, 720p H.264 encoding at double real-time is acceptable, even resource-intensive productive apps run comfortably. The only demand left is for deadline-restricted rendering and computation. Once they get the right CPU/GPU setup and software adapts to it, this heterogeous computing will move people further towards the lower machines.Quote:
Actually I have to disagree on many points here. It comes down to a couple of things. One is that time is money and for professional use there are many apps where cutting production time in half justifies new hardware. The other is that as computational power increases computational complexity increases, thus you never really have all the computational power you would like. High performance workstations, at reasonable prices, just mean that apps get moved to lower ranking employees desks. This is currently what is happening in design automation where 3D and simulation are the new "CAD".
Apple believes in AIO. The Mini and MP are the only machines they make that aren't. They can't make an iMac cheap enough to take away the Mini's area of emphasis as both server and low cost Mac but they can make a fast enough iMac to take away the Mac Pro's area of emphasis. Quote:
Nope! They can never make the iMac as fast as the Mac Pro for any given technology node. Frankly they can't even make an iMac that is competitive with lower cost desktop hardware from other manufactures.
Yes there's expansion but I believe the place for expansion is on the outside.