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Apple didn't buy social video startup Color, but it did acquire its engineering team of about 20 employees for as much as $5 million, according to a new report.

Disputing a rumor that surfaced on Wednesday claiming that Apple had bought Color, Liz Gannes of All Things D revealed on Thursday that Apple instead "acqhired" Color's engineering team. The employees were said to have been picked up for somewhere between $2 million and $5 million.

That would mean that earlier claims that Apple had bought Color for "double-digit millions" were incorrect. Instead, Apple made a relatively small talent acquisition of about 20 personnel.

"Apple is not buying Color?s technology, intellectual property, domain names or liabilities," Gannes said. "Those are being left with the company, which still has considerable cash in the bank ? something like $25 million ? and is going to be wound down."

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"Color" app logo. | Source: Color Labs


A flurry of rumors and misinformation related to Color were attributed to "bad blood" that has apparently formed between Color employees, company CEO Bill Nguyen, ex-employees, investors, and even Apple itself.

Founded by Bill Nguyen and Peter Pham in 2011, Color Labs was at the center of some controversy after netting $41 million in a pre-launch funding round, a massive investment compared to the usual $1 million in seed money seen by most comparable start-ups. The company released a photo-sharing app, though the initiative failed to draw users, prompting Pham to exit three months after launch and Chief Product Officer DJ Patil to do the same one month later.

Nguyen changed strategies and created a new video-sharing app that allows users to record and post 30-second silent video to Facebook, a direction that netted Color a deal with Verizon in May.
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That's a new twist on head hunting!
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"I'm Tim Cook, not CEO of Color, Inc. I liked the talent so much… I didn't buy the company."

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Grubes.

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They brought back slavery and I didn't notice? How does one "acquire" an engineering team?

Hire them? Sure. Sign up bonus? Good for them! But acquire...? I don't think so.
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There is obviously much more to this story, this is just plain odd that you pay Millions to hire employee's Apple could have just gone through a third party head hunter and done the same things for less money. This seem really unusual, there must be something else going on.
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They brought back slavery and I didn't notice? How does one "acquire" an engineering team?
Hire them? Sure. Sign up bonus? Good for them! But acquire...? I don't think so.

 

They sign an employment contract.

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They brought back slavery and I didn't notice? How does one "acquire" an engineering team?
Hire them? Sure. Sign up bonus? Good for them! But acquire...? I don't think so.

 

Indeed.  The hideous writing and comprehension skills of Apple Insider's staff are highlighted yet again.  

 

Seriously.  About half the articles here (and on most tech sites), wouldn't pass muster in my Grade 8 English class.  No exaggeration at all.  These "writers" would have failed the class completely and have to do it again, but yet here they are with actual jobs as adult "journalists."  Amazing.  

 

This is how it feels to live in the "age of dumbassery."   :-/ 

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They brought back slavery and I didn't notice? How does one "acquire" an engineering team?
Hire them? Sure. Sign up bonus? Good for them! But acquire...? I don't think so.

 

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Indeed.  The hideous writing and comprehension skills of Apple Insider's staff are highlighted yet again.  

 

Seriously.  About half the articles here (and on most tech sites), wouldn't pass muster in my Grade 8 English class.  No exaggeration at all.  These "writers" would have failed the class completely and have to do it again, but yet here they are with actual jobs as adult "journalists."  Amazing.  

 

This is how it feels to live in the "age of dumbassery."   :-/ 

 


It's done quite often, and it is a frequently used term. I am afraid you two guys are the dumbasses here.

 

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That's a new twist on head hunting!

 

Not at all new.

 

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There is obviously much more to this story, this is just plain odd that you pay Millions to hire employee's Apple could have just gone through a third party head hunter and done the same things for less money. This seem really unusual, there must be something else going on.

 

This is commonly done. Google and Facebook have also acquired entire software teams before.

 

Sure, you cannot force someone to work for you. But there are various possibilities why the Colors team (or any team) wants to stay together: 1. They are loyal to a particular manager who will be moving to Apple. 2. There are non-compete clauses in their TOE that prevent them from working on similar technology for someone else. 3. Their stock options continue vesting, perhaps with some sugar sprinkled on top.

 

Why wouldn't Apple just hire these engineers? 1. There may be non-compete clauses in their TOE. 2. There are multiple individuals who are valuable, and "acquiring" them as a team ensures continuity, completeness and prevents anyone from joining a competitor.

 

Sometimes, it could be as simple as Apple saying, "Here's $5M, Bill N. Let us talk to your team now and convince them to join us before they jump ship."

 

If you have not worked at a high tech company before (or law firm, a consultancy or investment firm), you might find this offensive or foreign. But it's not a novel concept.


Edited by Harbinger - 10/18/12 at 10:38am
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Grubes.


Looks like he's blaming Panzarino and Yeung at TNW.

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Indeed.  The hideous writing and comprehension skills of Apple Insider's staff are highlighted yet again.  

 

Seriously.  About half the articles here (and on most tech sites), wouldn't pass muster in my Grade 8 English class.  No exaggeration at all.  These "writers" would have failed the class completely and have to do it again, but yet here they are with actual jobs as adult "journalists."  Amazing.  

 

This is how it feels to live in the "age of dumbassery."   :-/ 

Unfortunately, the Internet (largely) and computer technology has allowed anybody with a computer, some free time and a couple of synapse in their head to call themselves, 'journalists' or 'writers'.  I can't tell you how many of my otherwise brain dead friends think they are full fledged 'writers' because they have a blog and 3 trolls sending them fan email on a regular basis.  It's no different than the hundreds of thousands of wannabe musicians who have a Pro Tool setup in their bedroom making CD's and posting the same on CDBaby then call themselves 'musicians'.  Just because someone knows what a pen, a paint brush or a guitar pick looks like doesn't make them an artist, a 'professional' or even more importantly, talented.

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As a side note, I am surprised that no one from the British Royal Air Force hasn't sued the company for use of their roundel which they put on their planes, as this company's logo.

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Hmm, 'kay. But they did buy Particle, yes?
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Originally Posted by GuyR View Post
As a side note, I am surprised that no one from the British Royal Air Force hasn't sued the company for use of their roundel which they put on their planes, as this company's logo.

 

They'll just have to apologize for using it, is all.

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Apple didn't buy social video startup Color, but it did acquire its engineering team of about 20 employees for as much as $5 million, according to a new report.

 

Wow.  What ever happened to good old-fashioned "hiring"?

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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post
Come on report on Google's devastating profit drop AI!

 

lol.

 

 

Apple's down too, but not $68 a share!


Edited by Tallest Skil - 10/18/12 at 11:37am

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I think that your right about the  quality of the writing and editing here.  But I don't think that is the whole story to explain why this site has so few readers.  There seem to be a relatively small group of troublemakers who shout down any dissenting viewpoints (it should be obvious who they are) and that discourages new and repeat readers.  They take extreme postions, and if anybody disagrees with them, they get lambasted.  I think that is the main problem here.

Different viewpoints should be encouraged, but if anybody fails to tow the party line, they get the shaft!

I think we're OK on different viewpoints. What we don't always let slide is abuse from fandroids, telling us we're all iSheep or iTards, or parroting Android talking points while saying Apple products are junk. Sometimes we do get honest people that don't realize they're posting the same way trolls do.
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This is commonly done. Google and Facebook have also acquired entire software teams before.

 

Sure, you cannot force someone to work for you. But there are various possibilities why the Colors team (or any team) wants to stay together: 1. They are loyal to a particular manager who will be moving to Apple. 2. There are non-compete clauses in their TOE that prevent them from working on similar technology for someone else. 3. Their stock options continue vesting, perhaps with some sugar sprinkled on top.

 

Why wouldn't Apple just hire these engineers? 1. There may be non-compete clauses in their TOE. 2. There are multiple individuals who are valuable, and "acquiring" them as a team ensures continuity, completeness and prevents anyone from joining a competitor.

 

Sometimes, it could be as simple as Apple saying, "Here's $5M, Bill N. Let us talk to your team now and convince them to join us before they jump ship."

 

If you have not worked at a high tech company before (or law firm, a consultancy or investment firm), you might find this offensive or foreign. But it's not a novel concept.

One option.  especially if there are IP or patents that need transferring.

 

Or get the team leads to agree to jump (and most team leads can get their entire group to work with them if work stays the same and salary/work-stress ratio is better) by replacing their worthless equity options with 'attractive' apple options, and 'free access to Apple's Employment Lawyers*'.  Say, you got 3000 shares out of 1,000,000 of a 41Million dollar company (.3% of the company 123000 of initial value... now worthless) so we'll transfer you 410 shares of apple which was 123000 last year (now worth 250K which is quite a few multiples over worthless) with the same vesting period.  btw, 250Kx(team of 20 holding 6% sweat equity) = 5Million.  

 

*What about any non-competes?  You look at the Color BoD (VCs)  and say, "Gentlemen, you just lost burned through 41Million dollars, and can't even make payroll.  No product, nothing close.   We just solved your payroll problem.. Do you think your Lawyers will want to compete with our Lawyers, knowing you're broke and if you lose it's out of their pockets?  We suggest start selling the furniture"

 

I've seen both (non compete buy out or just poach the team).  Non compete Clauses are rarely enforceable, but are bought out when the principals want to maintain a 'working relationship',  but big companies often just flex their legal biceps a the company, and they usually back down.  

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As a side note, I am surprised that no one from the British Royal Air Force hasn't sued the company for use of their roundel which they put on their planes, as this company's logo.

 

I was wondering the same... but (being in France) about the French Air Force which used a tri-colour roundel some years before the RAF; although the colours were reversed with the center being blue.

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lol.

 

 

Apple's down too, but not $68 a share!

 

Apple is 3X larger, so the difference is smaller than you think.

 

Apple down 2%  (12Billion)  

GOOG down 9% (20Billion)

 

Or in other words... the 2 are down almost 4 Alcoa's

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Then do you agree with the origi8nal poster that the low amount of traffic here is due to the poor editorial content?

I don't know what the traffic is, much less relative to other sites with an Apple focus, so I have no comment on that.
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If you have not worked at a high tech company before (or law firm, a consultancy or investment firm), you might find this offensive or foreign. But it's not a novel concept.

Correct. Sounds like a simple plan to wind down the company. You do good (hopefully) by your employees, you get some extra cash, you close loose ends with employment, and you don't have to deal with any of the associated HR issues. It also provides a way to separate expiring assets (when people find out the company is in trouble they start to flee) from ones that should hold value despite company circumstances.

To get 20 people in a fixed development team that you can get moving with a project scope for a premium of 1-2 years salary isn't that bad. Headhunters charge as much as 50% of a year's salary, without the benefit of getting a team.
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As a side note, I am surprised that no one from the British Royal Air Force hasn't sued the company for use of their roundel which they put on their planes, as this company's logo.

The RAF roundel is similar, but different design (the "C" bit,) colors, and proportions.

 

 

   

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Come on report on Google's devastating profit drop AI!

Yeah... wow... that was a major screw up! Printer sent earnings out early... !

Good time to buy either GOOG or AAPL, if you believe in the underlying companies. With Verizon's numbers it seems like Apple should have sold at least 30MM iPhones.
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Apple is 3X larger, so the difference is smaller than you think.

 

Apple down 2%  (12Billion)  

GOOG down 9% (20Billion)

 

Or in other words... the 2 are down almost 4 Alcoa's


No matter what one's feelings are about these two companies, this is not good news for investors in general.

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Hmm, 'kay. But they did buy Particle, yes?

The company or just the team?

I didn't put any stock in Apple buying the Color company or service, it failed in the market. I thought maybe they had some good backend service, but if they had great talent but were saddled with a poor business plan, then just buy the rights to hire the talent and Apple is good.
Edited by JeffDM - 10/18/12 at 1:02pm
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MacRumors also ignores their own rules and yes, lets any lie, FUD, or troll post whatever they want anywhere they want without fact checking or reprisal. Good on us for not doing that.

Agreed.
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Apple may be offering long term contracts to the employees, as well as paying color to break any contracts the employees are already in. I'm not a lawyer, but things such as non-competes and fixed-term contracts come to mind.

Color now has to spend money and effort to replace the team if they want to continue moving forward.
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Hmm, 'kay. But they did buy Particle, yes?

The company or just the team?

I didn't put any stock in Apple buying the Color company or service, it failed in the market. I thought maybe they had some good backend service, but if they had great talent but were saddled with a poor business plan, then just buy the rights to hire the talent and Apple is good.

The company, although it looks like it doesn't really matter: the employees move over to Apple and there doesn't seem to be any IP in the company. Well, obviously I thing, when it comes to HTML.

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The RAF roundel is similar, but different design (the "C" bit,) colors, and proportions.

 

 

   

 

There are different versions of the Rondel depending on the 'age' and the type of plane.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force_roundels  It's closer to Type D or original 1915 version.  

 

Or maybe they are a fan of the Who, French military or other corps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundel

 

But the RAF one came to my mind first.

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There are different versions of the Rondel depending on the 'age' and the type of plane.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force_roundels  It's closer to Type D or original 1915 version.  

Or maybe they are a fan of the Who, French military or other corps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundel

But the RAF one came to my mind first.

You mean the type A (the one I posted is the type D.) The company logo does look more like the old type A. [having trouble linking but the image is in your link.]
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