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At least they didn't call it the stupid "iPad Air."  

 

Take that Gruber!

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I totally agree with you.  I love the retina displays on the rMBP's.  They are gorgeous.  I use the 27" LED on my MBA here at the office, my co-worker also uses a 27" LED for his rMBP and keeps his notebook closed.  Ironic eh?  His rMBP has a higher display than the external monitor, but in real-world use and considering the 27" monitor is farther back for the eyes, it's kind of a moot point in terms of what you really get.


Now don't get me wrong, the fetish-guy in me would LOVE to have a retina iMac or LED monitor.  The tech / costs / speed just isn't there yet for such a huge chunk of glass.


The new iPad mini even though has the same resolution as an iPad2, it's a smaller display so the PPI goes up.  I think it'll look great.  Sure, not true retina level methink, but I can predict with almost absolute-certainty that if adding the retina display adds $50 to the cost, there will be people here (iHaters, trolls, whiners, etc..) that will come out of their parents' basements and cry "gouging!".


 

OK you brought up and (I think) answered something I have yet to see but wondered about. I use a 2010 15" MBP and an external Apple monitor and suspect if I get a new MBP (which I am close to doing so I can get 16 GIGs of RAM and twice the benchmark speed) ) I might be better off with the non retina since I use the external monitor most of the time. I don't keep my lid closed though I use it as a second monitor to keep Mail open while I work. Add in I like changing out my own RAM and drives ... So having seen that set up you describe (i.e. wasting the rMBP) do you think I'm right?
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post #123 of 279

I think $330 is a bit overpriced for the mini, but I'm sure people will still buy it anyways just because it's Apple.  If they priced iut at $250 it would have blown the android tablets out of the water, and probably would have caused a lot more cannibilization of regular Ipad sales than they would like.  At $330, the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire will still be here to stay.

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Who cares about Wall Street or bottom feeder Nexus buyers? Phil went out of his way to show you why buying a Nexus is just wasting your money.


That presentation comparing the mini 7.9" to a Nexus 7" is completely ridiculous.  The mini has more screen than the Nexus so you can see more of the web page.  OF COURSE YOU CAN, ITS A BIGGER SCREEN!

 

How about comparing an iPad 3 to the iPhone 5 and say that we can see more web page on the iPad so it is better?

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[" url="/t/153692/apple-reveals-ipad-mini-7-9-display-7-2mm-thin-starting-at-329/40#post_2217368"]$329 is a great price for the iPad Mini. I thought that it looked kind of cute, both the white and black models, and Apple is going to sell a shit load of them. 

Cute? Ok what giddy schoolgirl hijacked Apple ]['s account?

 

I think it is the one from the Surface ad lol.gif

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post #126 of 279

Wow, the Apple store splash page is gorgeous today!

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That presentation comparing the mini 7.9" to a Nexus 7" is completely ridiculous.  The mini has more screen than the Nexus so you can see more of the web page.  OF COURSE YOU CAN, ITS A BIGGER SCREEN!

How about comparing an iPad 3 to the iPhone 5 and say that we can see more web page on the iPad so it is better?

A friend of mine just emailed me to say his wife just cancelled an order for Nexus to wait for an iPad mini based in the demo showing a web page in landscape ... so the 'ridiculous demo' at least sold one iPad mini 1biggrin.gif
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A couple of points. Google's $199 offering 1) only comes with 8 GB, and a 1.2 MB front facing camera. Apple's device ships with 16 GB, and both a 1.2 GB front facing camera and a 5 GB rear camera.

 

Moreover, as was presented at the demonstration Apple's screen actually presents more real estate and is built using aluminum not cheap plastic. The extra $140 dollars seems worth it to me for the quality Apple is offering. 

 

A retina display would be nice, but Apple is offering a more cost conscious option and people didn't mind the iPad 2 that lacked the retina display. It also wants to sell more expensive full sized iPads. Moreover, somebody posted that Google's processor in the Nexus 7 trounces the A5. BS. Both chips came out the same year, in 2011. The A5 compares favorably with the Tegra 3. It is slightly slower, but not enough to matter. 

My tablet is always in a leather case/stand.  I never get to see any plastic.  I only care about aluminum in my car!

post #129 of 279
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I am happy with the updated Mac Mini, but I am on the fence regarding the iPad Mini. I like the size and don't really care about the lack of retina display, but I wish they would have simply stated that it doesn't have a retina display instead of playing up that it "has the same resolution as the iPad 2!!!" REALLY? I really hate hyperbole and obsfucation of the truth.  Grrrr. Also, an A5 Processor? The iPad Mini is really obsolete before it hits the streets (based on how fast Apple drops support for hardware in iOS).

 

I really think Apple should have made the iPad Mini and low end iPad equal to the "old" iPad 3. Oh well, off to pick up a new Mac Mini next month. 

 

UPDATE:

I think the iPad Mini would make a great replacement for my smartphone (iPhone 4)...

 

Right now I have an iPhone 4 on on my wife's plan, costing and additional $10 for the extra phone, $10 for the lowest level family plan, $10 for texting, and $30 for data. This costs us $60 + tax = $67.xx 

 

I RARELY use my phone as a phone (maybe 30 mins a month). Mostly I text and use Skype and sometimes Facetime. I'm going to sell my iPhone 4 (not in contract anymore) for around $225 - $250 on eBay and use the money to buy an iPad Mini with LTE via Verizon (for the free wifi hotspot option). 

 

No more contracts with minutes I don't use. Right now I use about 1.5GB a month. I can get 4GB for $30 on Verizon OR I could get 10GB for the price I am paying AT&T.

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You just need an emery board for your fingers 1wink.gif

or Siri Dictation

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I'm with you.  I said it was weird but I didn't fuss or complain about an extra $30.  I was just making an observation.  I didn't expect rants over $30. I'm with you and I think that it makes pretty good business sense.  

Then again, some people are loosing their minds over the fact that Apple refreshed the iPad after 6 months.  So I don't know why anything surprises me anymore...

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Belief in an organized religion is not a requirement to be a consumer. Problem solved.

I assume you mean membership in an organized religion?

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What's with the epidemic of people writing loosing for losing on AI?

General stupidity...

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or Siri Dictation

Remember to talk smaller though ...
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post #135 of 279
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... but [iPad Minis] are still going to sell very well.

No they aren't.

And Apple isn't thrilling too many people with an iPad 4 so soon, either.

I don't care about Surface & Key Lime Pie, and neither does any other potential tab buyer.

Why is that?

Because, say it with me: THERE ISN'T A TAB MARKET -- THERE'S AN iPAD MARKET!!!!!

For Apple to clearly panic like this on both ends of the tab spectrum, is -- ....

Words fail.

But not as big of a fail as this "iPad Mini" will be.

And that noise you hear?

It's Bezos & Lucifer clinking glasses as the King Of Pernition delivers on his end of the bargain.

 

You are soooo wrong.

 

Apple has just defined the entry tablet market and redefined the high-end tablet market...  Not with meaningless specs or inferior quality at cheap prices...  

 

Apple has provided what really counts: Quality and Usability at a good price...  And quality at a good price defines a bargain!

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Wow....$329 is a weird price.  My guess it's designed to squeeze and extra $30 out of all the early adopters.  I expect this thing will be $299 in most places before Christmas- could be even less on Black Friday/Cyber Monday .

Apple doesn't do that. If you look through their pricing history, they don't drop anything for Black Friday or Holidays. Apple only drop price when new generation of the device is available.

 

What does make sense is resellers bundling the entry Mini with a $30-$50 iTunes Gift Card!

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post #137 of 279
Wow, is this what we can expect in the post-Jobs era? A new device with a confusing price-point and based on a two generation old processor and screen resolution. How, after all the evangelizing of Retina on 5 devices now, do you hock a device that is obviously targeted at the reader market have a display that is not Retina??

Boy, investors sure are speaking to this gianormous thud. As a long time Apple fan, customer, and stockholder this is troubling and disappointing.
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Btw who else was surprised at a Apple device being compared to a competing product. This day has been very unApple like in many ways.
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Remember to talk smaller though ...

btw, where is the mic located on the mini? to avoid covering it with your fingers/palm.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

At least they didn't call it the stupid "iPad Air."  

 

Take that Gruber!

 

Other things no one has brought up yet ...

 

- no iTunes 11 (not ready?)

- the new "new iPad" is still "aluminium and black" whereas the iPad mini is "slate and black" WTF?

- not one "hands on" that I've seen mentions anything about the smaller bezels (is it harder to pick up or hold? yes? No?)

- no reviewers mention one of the most obvious things ... thumb typing in portrait mode.  (works?  Yes? No?)

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I agree that the entry-level one should have been priced at $299. The difference between that and $329 is simply margin that Apple could have afforded to give away. I'm absolutely certain that they will sell fewer of these at $329 than they would have at $299. That's not rocket science. But what they just did was let the competition hang around because now the buying decision isn't as clear-cut as it would have been at $299.
 

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Btw who else was surprised at a Apple device being compared to a competing product. This day has been very unApple like in many ways.

Phil seemed a bit pissed off of something during the keynote. Especially at that part. I wonder why.
Does anyone else noticed it?

 

Edit:
He seemed justifying their decision of the specs, price whatever...

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OK you brought up and (I think) answered something I have yet to see but wondered about. I use a 2010 15" MBP and an external Apple monitor and suspect if I get a new MBP (which I am close to doing so I can get 16 GIGs of RAM and twice the benchmark speed) ) I might be better off with the non retina since I use the external monitor most of the time. I don't keep my lid closed though I use it as a second monitor to keep Mail open while I work. Add in I like changing out my own RAM and drives ... So having seen that set up you describe (i.e. wasting the rMBP) do you think I'm right?

According to the specs on this page:

 

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP649

 

Even though the regular 15" MBP only has 1440 x 900 native resolution, the Thunderbolt port offers full 2560 x 1600

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No they aren't.
And Apple isn't thrilling too many people with an iPad 4 so soon, either.
I don't care about Surface & Key Lime Pie, and neither does any other potential tab buyer.
Why is that?
Because, say it with me: THERE ISN'T A TAB MARKET -- THERE'S AN iPAD MARKET!!!!!
For Apple to clearly panic like this on both ends of the tab spectrum, is -- ....
Words fail.
But not as big of a fail as this "iPad Mini" will be.
And that noise you hear?
It's Bezos & Lucifer clinking glasses as the King Of Pernition delivers on his end of the bargain.

Sun Tzu: He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them.

Or, in short - never underestimate your enemy.

Some potential tab buyers care about non-Apple solutions. Some even like it.

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I'm quite surprised at the high entry level price here. Was expecting a maximum of $299 and upwards. I hope its high basic cost doesn't price it out of the market. That could be very bad for Apple! Not such an issue for me at the moment though(the price of the iPad mini that is) its the new full-size iPad I'm interested in a big way here!

I'm really surprised that for some an additional $30 over the life of a product that could last 2-3 years is such a big deal.

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I'm with you.  I said it was weird but I didn't fuss or complain about an extra $30.  I was just making an observation.  I didn't expect rants over $30. I'm with you and I think that it makes pretty good business sense.  

Then again, some people are loosing their minds over the fact that Apple refreshed the iPad after 6 months.  So I don't know why anything surprises me anymore...

What's with the epidemic of people writing loosing for losing on AI?

 

 

Maybe they should quote Shakespeare, instead:  "Cry havoc! and let loose * the dogs of war, that this foul deed shall smell above the earth with carrion men, groaning for burial."

 

* This is sometimes quoted as:   "let slip ** the dogs..."

 

** Of course, If you're from Pittsburgh, it would be:  slippy  1wink.gif

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Schiller needs some man-spanx.

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Originally Posted by rednival View Post
I expect this thing will be $299 in most places before Christmas- could be even less on Black Friday/Cyber Monday .

 

Nope.


Originally Posted by drobforever View Post
Anyone who's thinking of buying the iPad mini will likely be disappointed come next March, when Apple will release iPad mini 2nd gen with much better internals. Right now, it's still A5, that's just rediculous, it's a processor 2 generations behind!

 

I seriously doubt this will happen at all. The processor is ONE generation behind. There is ZERO competition in any space.


Originally Posted by mac-user View Post
But if the virtual keyboard doesn't suck, mini is better choice.

 

The virtual keyboard WILL be compromisingly bad.


Originally Posted by Andysol View Post
This. $329 should've been retina.

 

Nope.


Originally Posted by steveH View Post
Just how long do you think it would take to list, much less demonstrate 275,000 iPad apps?

 

This cannot possibly be a serious comment. 


Originally Posted by csdigitalworks View Post
…a two generation old processor…

 

NOT two generations old. One generation old.

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^^this.

 

I love my "new iPad" retina display.  I love my iPhone 5 (and iPhone 4S before it) retina display.

 

Never ever in a trillion years will I go back to a non-retina display like the iPad 2.  It is so obviously inferior to me that frankly I'm embarassed by Apple today.  This is a serious downgrade.

 

Let's be honest.  Apple felt rushed to release the iPad mini to head off competition from the Google Nexus and Amazon Fire.  Today we witnessed Apple introducing a product that takes a step back so they can block the competition.

 

But they even screwed that up.  The resolution on the Nexus and Fire are higher than this POS.  *AND* they are charging at $100 more?  The gall.

 

If I owned AAPL today I would *sell sell sell*.

There was no way Apple could include retina display with a resolution that is compatible for the current application. They had to double the resolution (compared to iPad2) to make it compatible, which is even a higher pixel density then the iPhone Retina. All ipad apps with the Mini are 100% compatible and optimized for the screen area. Most Andriod apps are stretched phone application because they need to be compatible with many different size tablets. The iPad mini pixel density is higher then the iPad 1 and 2. You maybe positive surprised by this.

Also I can't figure out why people can't see what great software they produce for iPad (eduction, text books, music instrument apps, music, ibook store etc, iCloud, email solution, iPhoto, iMovie etc). Not talking about the super quality hardware (aluminum back, very stable hardware and OS, etc)

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I'm really surprised that for some an additional $30 over the life of a product that could last 2-3 years is such a big deal.

Fingerprint-gate had already been used?

 

OTOH that's approx. 10% of the sales price and as such is a big chunk of "margin" when people squeal if the margin drops only a couple %....

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I think Apple just put all their products on a Oct refresh timeline

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I seriously doubt this will happen at all. The processor is ONE generation behind. There is ZERO competition in any space.

There was the A6 and now there's the A6X so it is in fact 2 generations old
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I'm really surprised that for some an additional $30 over the life of a product that could last 2-3 years is such a big deal.

 

Except that one can no longer tell if this is a product that could last 2-3 years...

 

In fact, it could very well be upgraded significantly in 6 months. I could even see retina version of this iPad mini in 6 months.  

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I agree that the entry-level one should have been priced at $299. The difference between that and $329 is simply margin that Apple could have afforded to give away. I'm absolutely certain that they will sell fewer of these at $329 than they would have at $299. That's not rocket science. But what they just did was let the competition hang around because now the buying decision isn't as clear-cut as it would have been at $299.
 

If we're strictly speaking about pricing... Apple has sold PLENTY of iPads at $500+

Hell... even when the iPad 2 dropped to $399... they only represented something like 18% of iPad sales... meaning 82% of iPads were the more expensive models ($500-830)

But what is happening here is Apple entering new territories... both a smaller iPad and a new price category.

Someone might not even consider the $499 iPad... and maybe $399 was too pricey as well. But $329 might hit the spot.

You're right... $329 is certainly higher than that magical price of $299.... but $329 is less than $399.

You're still getting "an iPad" with a great screen, the proven app ecosystem, and all the benefits of the iPad. It's just smaller and cheaper.
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^^this.

 

I love my "new iPad" retina display.  I love my iPhone 5 (and iPhone 4S before it) retina display.

 

Never ever in a trillion years will I go back to a non-retina display like the iPad 2.  It is so obviously inferior to me that frankly I'm embarassed by Apple today.  This is a serious downgrade.

 

Let's be honest.  Apple felt rushed to release the iPad mini to head off competition from the Google Nexus and Amazon Fire.  Today we witnessed Apple introducing a product that takes a step back so they can block the competition.

 

But they even screwed that up.  The resolution on the Nexus and Fire are higher than this POS.  *AND* they are charging at $100 more?  The gall.

 

If I owned AAPL today I would *sell sell sell*.

 

Sell AAPL, you kidding? haha that's the dumbest sentence in a post crammed full of dumb sentences.

This thing will sell like hot cakes and help push AAPL over $1000, I will and have put money on it.

 

Shrinking the 1024 x 768 into 9.7 inches will increase the perceived image quality. It won't look anywhere near as pixelated as the original iPad.


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What may be causing Apple to sell the iPad mini for this higher than expected price, might be the very high-tech expensive to produce display panel. Once production volumes go up they might be able to sell the basic version for below the $300 mark.
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There was the A6 and now there's the A6X so it is in fact 2 generations old

 

You're making a really, really lame argument here and by your own argument ... it would be 1.5 generations old at most anyway.  

 

One could also quite rationally argue that there is the "5" generation and the "6" generation and anything with an X is not actually a separate generation.  This would make it only one generation old.  

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Seems pretty reasonably priced to me, but I see Apple likely to drop that to $299 at some point in the near future, probably after Xmas. 

 

I'm buying two of them. One for me and one for the wife. 

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You're making a really, really lame argument here and by your own argument ... it would be 1.5 generations old at most anyway.  

One could also quite rationally argue that there is the "5" generation and the "6" generation and anything with an X is not actually a separate generation.  This would make it only one generation old.  

But its another processor, doesn't matter if its a minor bump of the previous one, which being twice as fast as the old one isn't a minor bump you know.
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Look geniuses ....
We're all Apple fans here, that's why we're -- here ....
But we all know, perhaps better than the non-Apple faithful, that not everything's a home run.
You know "Cult Of Mac", right?
They kiss Apple's ass so much, it's embarassing to see themselves described as "journalists".
Well, here's what they have to say about the iPad Mini ....

The iPad Mini was announced today, and frankly, it missed the mark.
The iPad Mini will simply have no effect on non-Apple users.
Apple needed to go $299 or less to make the iPad Mini seep into consumers heads and play devil's advocate.
At $329, that simply isn't going to happen ....


And I agree.
Wholeheartadly.
I looks nice & all, but $330?!?
NOBODY'S GONNA BUY THAT.
Just accept that sooner rather than later & it'll hurt a lot less.
You'll see.

 

 

You're going to look like a right tit come Xmas lol.gif

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