Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
Apple are all about the upsell. Otherwise they wouldn't have castrated the Mini's GPU's (or lack of) capabilities.
You can think the marketing team needs slapping. But Apple have reaped Billions in profit...
Not from the Mac desktop line up. It is pretty silly to equate Apples current success with success of the desktop line up. Sales are flat for the iMac and receding for the Mac Pro and Mini. We can argue about why but immcertainthe big issue is that nobody wants to pay good money for the configurations Apple offers.
...after long since leaving the notion behind of an upgradable tower or cube concept. (The G3 Blue and White tower and the Cube are: history.)
Which has effectively locked Apple out of many use cases for years now. It is one reason businesses resist using Mac hardware for the run of the mill business needs.
...and it doesn't look like those days are coming back. We've been on overpriced Mac Pros for ten years now. That's your tinker box, Wizard.
Well I'm not sure the Mac Pro has been as overpriced as it has been in the last couple of years. The problem is it really seems like nobody at Apple grasps why the machine isn't selling well. Being perceived as overpriced and underpowered is death in the workstation market.
In a nut shell you really have to wonder about a management team that would let a product like the Mac Pro slip as much as it has. It use to be a product worth buying, now it is an outdated machine that hasn't had a decent update in years and sadly doesn't support some of the most important technologies Apple has.
It's out of date and it will cost you.
Exactly! So who's fault is that?
Keep hoping for something else though...hope is part of the human condition.
The hope for something else is related to the idea that Apple might just recognize that they could actually move a desktop machine in quantity if they got the price and configuration right.
The closest you're going to get is an overpriced Mini with integrated crappics that will be a 'bit' better with Haswell or an over (heh) Pro if Apple gets around to updating it.
You seem to have a very negative attitude with respect to integrated graphics. Remember that a process shrink will allow them to double the GPU size if they really want too. So even if Haswell doesn't live up to expectations the Mini will become a far better graphics / compute platform than it has been with the follow on to Haswell. That is if Apple can pull head from ass and get to work on the GPU drivers.
Apple's all about the AIO. (But weren't they always?) And that's the bulk of 'Macs' they sell. Almost 5 million like Apple Mac AIOs.
No they haven't always been this bad. They did have at one time desktop computers at reasonable prices. The expensive Mac Pro kick is a recent marketing strategy that obviously has fallen flat on its face.
And they perform 'just fine' for the majority...otherwise I'd guess they'd throw together an overclocked, sli-rage machine for a cheaper price.
The average user has left the Mini and Pro on the shelf. The IMac is flat sales wise. I'm not sure how you see this as a successful marketing program.
Just buy yourself a Windows tower and stick Linux on it. You can have whatever gpu you like. And there's plenty of 'cube' style shuttle cases for you to wonder re: form factor. Add a screw driver and you'll be happy.
I already run a number of Linux machines for special purposes. Linux isn't what I'd want as my primary desktop machine though. It is very likely that Apples hardware lineup will force me onto a laptop to get a machine that is a decent performer and value.
Rather than wishing Apple would cater just to you and a 'few' others re: a Cube concept they left behind years ago...
Lemon Bon Bon.
You got me all wrong here, I want to see Apple revitalize the desktop before they cancel the whole lineup. That affects us all. The form factor of the machine doesn't matter, what you get for your money does. Hell I'd buy a Mac Pro if it was priced right for the expected performance level. I'd even consider a Mini if it was properly supported and at the right performance level.
Apples desktop line up is a perfect example of what happens when you put way to much effort into an artificial product line up. That is the tiering that Apple applies to models that alienates the people most likely to buy a desktop machine in the first place.