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Originally Posted by Smarky View Post
I want an iMac with better specs for such an expensive machine the specs should be better, it needs to be more powerful.

 

How’s this?

 
i7 as standard across the line.

Wireless ac.

Second generation fusion drive with 256 ssd and better optimisation (as standard),

8gb ram

Further screen improvements.

 

“For such an expensive machine”, you’d think its users would know more about why it costs what it does.

 

Originally Posted by marvfox View Post
You want an i mac that does not exist yet and may never be made.

 

Bingo.

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No Mini announcement today so I'm wondering if the machine will see a major overhaul later this year. Mini sales have been declining for some time now, with the advent of the Mac Pro I could see a new low end platform coming.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post
No Mini announcement today so I'm wondering if the machine will see a major overhaul later this year. Mini sales have been declining for some time now, with the advent of the Mac Pro I could see a new low end platform coming.

 

That’s an interesting point. Perhaps they intend the Mini to get desktop chips now, otherwise they would have plopped it down with the iMac (since both desktop and laptop Haswell have been out for far too long).

 

Except, what was it, Broadwell “doesn’t get a desktop variant”. Effing inexcusable nonsense.

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The dual-core mobile chips don't come until Q4 (October at the earliest), the iMac uses different processors.
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post
The dual-core mobile chips don't come until Q4 (October at the earliest)

 

Wait, so the Haswell chips for the MacBook Pro and Mac Mini aren’t even out yet?

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Wait, so the Haswell chips for the MacBook Pro and Mac Mini aren’t even out yet?

The ones with the Intel HD 4600 graphics are not, no. Obviously the ones with Iris and Iris Pro are.
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Originally Posted by Winter View Post
The ones with the Intel HD 4600 graphics are not, no. Obviously the ones with Iris and Iris Pro are.

 

That simplifies things: just release both computers with Iris Pro.

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Yeah i'd like a Haswell Mini with Iris pro. 

 

I don't need huge solid state options because i'm eventually going to go with a 4-Bay NAS device or Drobo.   In a couple of years i'd love to see a 64-bit ARM based mini for $399. 

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The ones with the Intel HD 4600 graphics are not, no. Obviously the ones with Iris and Iris Pro are.

That simplifies things: just release both computers with Iris Pro.

Iris Pro only comes in the quad models and the Iris ones cost $100 more and are dual-core ULT chips.

This one with Iris Pro could go in the $799 Mini:

http://ark.intel.com/products/76087/Intel-Core-i7-4750HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz

but the following one has a higher base clock and is $60 cheaper:

http://ark.intel.com/products/75128/Intel-Core-i7-4800MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

If they used the Iris Pro one, the price of the $799 model would go up to $899. The entry one would have to use the dual-cores with 4600 to keep the $599 price.

Using a higher clocked A7/A7X for the Mini Server could work well. It might be better if it ran iOS too because they could have a management UI that you access from an iPad and could run like the iOS simulator on the desktop. It would actually be like a VNC app. It can run quite easily with a single window at a low resolution. You could get push notifications about downtime or server faults, maybe suspicious network activity. It has a lower memory footprint than OS X so would work better for VPS. People would have to be made aware that it wasn't a desktop machine though and could even be sold separately from the Macs. Then instead of having server models of Mac, just have OS X Server as BTO for any machine and let people configure what they want.
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Why does using the i7-4750HQ raise the price by $100?
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Mac Mini may disappear soon.Not very popular now.

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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post
 

Yeah i'd like a Haswell Mini with Iris pro. 

 

I don't need huge solid state options because i'm eventually going to go with a 4-Bay NAS device or Drobo.   In a couple of years i'd love to see a 64-bit ARM based mini for $399. 

 

I think even Mr. Wizard has been muting the possibility of such a machine...

 
We must remember, though, we can get (or will be able to get...) an A7x cpu with Rogue on the entry iPad '5' soon.
 
Maybe the 'new' Mini will be the new ATV box.  An A7?  8?  9?  chip in such a tiny box with Rogue+ graphics would be a remarkable machine.  Open the SKU on it and...give it the same cheap price...you'd have your desktop replacement right there for 'most' people.
 
Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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At some point, more powerful iOS devices are going to blur the lines for computing for 'most' people.

 

And some people will ask why they'd need an overpriced mini when you can get something 'just as fast' for their everyday computing needs and it includes a retina screen.  That is a beginning reality for an iPad 5 A7X.  And the 'line in the sand' is going to get blurry if iOS gets 3 more years of those kinds of performance updates while Intel knocks out 7% here or there on their cpus.

 

It's already started with cannibalisation for laptops...just as laptops hammered desktop sales.

 

If I could have a 15 inch iPad in the next two years with a blisteringly fast A8 or A9X processor and Rogue +++ GPU...plus nimble, fast and progressive software like Procreate I'd have to ask why I'd need an iMac with Photoshop or Mac Pro for anything other than administering my creative art into 'formats.'

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

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Why does using the i7-4750HQ raise the price by $100?

They mark up the cost of the components to get the retail price. Raising build costs by $60 would raise retail prices by ~$80. They might be willing to go to $849 but the Mini sells in low enough units as it is, cutting the margins is probably not something they want to do. I think a Mini at $899 with the i7-4750HQ would be worth the money though given that the graphics performance would be somewhere between a 640M and 650M. If they'd made a $999 model last year with quad i7 plus 650M, people said they'd have been happy with that so $899 for that performance this year would be a good option. The reason not to put Iris in the entry model is to keep the upsell to the quad model and also to maintain the low entry price for people who just need a basic desktop. The $599 could be dual core i5 with 4600 and $899 quad i7 with Iris Pro, both configurable with OS X Server.
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They mark up the cost of the components to get the retail price. Raising build costs by $60 would raise retail prices by ~$80. They might be willing to go to $849 but the Mini sells in low enough units as it is, cutting the margins is probably not something they want to do. I think a Mini at $899 with the i7-4750HQ would be worth the money though given that the graphics performance would be somewhere between a 640M and 650M. If they'd made a $999 model last year with quad i7 plus 650M, people said they'd have been happy with that so $899 for that performance this year would be a good option. The reason not to put Iris in the entry model is to keep the upsell to the quad model and also to maintain the low entry price for people who just need a basic desktop. The $599 could be dual core i5 with 4600 and $899 quad i7 with Iris Pro, both configurable with OS X Server.

I like it! I would have really liked a Mac mini with a 650M, though I don't think that was ever a thought for Apple sad to say. What about using the i7-4850HQ instead though? Could you put that in under an $899 price tag given that it is $468 vs. the $440 cost of the i7-4750HQ?
post #816 of 1506
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

I think even Mr. Wizard has been muting the possibility of such a machine...
 
An A7 Mini would be extremely attractive for a number of uses, however I think it is a long ways from a primary desktop machine. Examples include media/AV server, XCode server, CNC controller, rig controller for a Ham radio. Many of these uses could leverage A7+ in both a Mini and laptop configuration.
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We must remember, though, we can get (or will be able to get...) an A7x cpu with Rogue on the entry iPad '5' soon.
 
Hopefully before November. What will be interesting here is the process that chip is built on, will it be sub 22nm? It really depends on how Apple goes about getting their 2X or better ipad performance increase.
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Maybe the 'new' Mini will be the new ATV box.  An A7?  8?  9?  chip in such a tiny box with Rogue+ graphics would be a remarkable machine.
Yes it would. Of course it isn't just the CPU chip that has to go in the box but here everything else is shrinking too. If not shrinking wafers are getting stacked so RAM and Flash will fit in the box but you still have the issue of power. Even so I'd expect the thermal issues to go away with new process shrinks.
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 Open the SKU on it and...give it the same cheap price...you'd have your desktop replacement right there for 'most' people.
 
Lemon Bon Bon.

My biggest fear with Apples ARM initiative is that these machines will be locked down iOS devices. Personally I would want a machine with that low level access that Mac OS does so well. I don't see myself getting away from the idea of script writing and other uses that UNIX enables so elegantly. That is why if Apple puts ARM on the desktop or laptop they will need an OS that is as flexible and powerful as Mac OS. A locked down machine ala iOS just doesn't cut the mustard. I'd accept a hybrid of Mac OS and iOS if it left that flexibility intact. In a nut shel I need to be able to run my own code and hook up whatever hardware I want.
post #817 of 1506

With an ARM based Mini you're not going to see SoC designed for mobile use IMO.   They aren't fast enough.  

 

You're going to see the lineage of A5X (A57 v8 Arm cores) which aren't designed for mobile applications but rather 

small power efficient servers.  

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6420/arms-cortex-a57-and-cortex-a53-the-first-64bit-armv8-cpu-cores

 

In essence in a few years Apple will once again be able to control the whole widget.   Intel will NOT be inside and Apple 

can tweak  OS X and Xcode to optimize OS X even more.   SSD will be right on a very fast bus and external storage will be 

augmented via Thunderbolt 2 or 3.      It's an appliance and that's all that people will really need. 

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With an ARM based Mini you're not going to see SoC designed for mobile use IMO.   They aren't fast enough.  
Exactly they aren't fast enough to compete with Intel desktops one on one as someones primary computer. Yet!! They are however fast enough to do many specific tasks which would make for a very interesting low end box.
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You're going to see the lineage of A5X (A57 v8 Arm cores) which aren't designed for mobile applications but rather 
small power efficient servers.  
Yes these will come, however what is the difference between a mobile chip and a server chip. Certainly the server chip will have specific hardware for the task at hand but so does the mobile chip. The differences boil down to increased clock rates, cash sizes and other tweaks for the desktop. These tweaks lead to more power used in the desktop hardware so the difference really is watts and not much more.
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In essence in a few years Apple will once again be able to control the whole widget.   Intel will NOT be inside and Apple 
can tweak  OS X and Xcode to optimize OS X even more.
Well yeah if they keep OS/X around and don't try to force iOS down our throats on the desktop.
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  SSD will be right on a very fast bus and external storage will be 
augmented via Thunderbolt 2 or 3.      It's an appliance and that's all that people will really need. 

There are two types of users. People that just want to run a few apps to do the social or work thing and then there are the more advanced user capable of leveraging the OS to a far greater extent. It is the more advanced user that would be concerned about Apple dropping i86 and possibly moving to iOS on ARM hardware.
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I cannot allow my thread to get any dust on it. Any rumors pointing towards a possibly October 15th release?
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I cannot allow my thread to get any dust on it. Any rumors pointing towards a possibly October 15th release?

Press release might be around that time frame and to purchase be end of Month or first week of November!
post #821 of 1506

Instead of just guessing . Wait and see and have patience.

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I cannot allow my thread to get any dust on it. Any rumors pointing towards a possibly October 15th release?

Gee I could use someone to do some dusting around my house. 😃😃

In any event I'm with you the lack of rumors Mac related is pretty sad. The iMac update was decent but not really unexpected. The lack of a concurrent Mini update has me suspecting that the Mini is getting a more involved overhaul if it will continue to exist at all. In a nut shel the iMac release was a phoned in upgrade, if they had the intention to do that for the Mini it would have been released already. At this point I believe Intel is shipping everything required to do the easy Mini update, so something new must be coming.

In any event yeah the rumor mill is silent, if the hardware is going to come this year, realistically they only have about a month left in the year to do a release. The idea being that the Mini is a "consumer" product that needs to be in the public mind before holiday shopping season. Beyond that the Mac Pro needs to ship soon before Apples advertising blitz wears thin. I still have this idea that what Apple needs to do is release a Mini replacement that is basically the Mac Pros little brother.

Why? Mass production to lower the cost of the Mac Pro. With suitable volumes they can get some really good pricing on the aluminum extrusions and other parts that make up the Pro. Imagine a trash can half the height of the new Mac Pro, almost a donut. People don't like to admit this but Apple put a hell of a lot of engineering into the Mac Pro, they would be smart to leverage that good work in a low cost model.

Let's face it both models, the Mini and the Pro have suffered declining sales over the last couple of years. Using the same chassis parts across two platforms is a smart move.
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Gee I could use someone to do some dusting around my house. 😃😃
 

I clicked on this thread expecting to see a joke about a "mini" roomba.

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I would hate to see the mini be discontinued. It is so awesome in my view. I think they are going slowly so that Apple can keep the buzz up a little at a time.
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The weird thing is that Apple [presumably] has Mac Pro, iPad, Mini and MacBook Pro updates still to go before Christmas.

That's a lot of announcements sandwiched into October and November.

 

I know the last two aren't confirmed, but Apple revved the low end MacBooks, and it would be weird to deny high end users the option of this year's internet standard (ac) when shopping for a laptop for the new school term.

 

And even though the Mini isn't really loved by Apple, when the Pro price is announced there had better be an affordable desktop option or the "Apple is for rich people" line is going to be all over Facebook.

 

So my thinking is there's an October iPad 5 introduction, with a fairly silent MacBook Pro update to add 802.11ac and Haswell.

 

Then there's a November Mac Pro/Final Cut announcement with Thunderbolt 2 being prominently shown off, and a quiet Mini announcement simultaneously. The Mini has a more powerful $999. model, and both desktops use the new Apple Retina Pro Display (or whatever they call it.)

 

Since Apple makes a big deal about Black Friday in its stores, I'm assuming these happen well in advance of that event.

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I cannot allow my thread to get any dust on it. Any rumors pointing towards a possibly October 15th release?

 

With the iMac updated quietly last week, I wonder if we could see the mini updated this week...

 

Which would mean in the next 24 hours...

 

But, I'd rather see a bigger revamp on the 15th!

 

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I am so eagerly waiting for October 15rh and hoping so hard for a mini update with Iris Pro and a PCIe SSD. I might have to wait to afford it but it'll be worth it. While I know CPU performance over the past few years has been marginal (Sandy to Ivy and now Ivy to Haswell), I wonder if integrated GPU performance will continue to have substantial jumps starting with Haswell and onward.
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I am dreaming for a revamped mini that has a better cooling fan so that it will work well with heavy rendering with a nod towards render farms, oh, and an 8-core CPU.  If so, I could pick up 2 or 3 and add more later.   Ha!

 

Alas, I do wake up from time to time and realize that that is not likely, so I hope they do a good improvement.  I will consider it, but it is looking highly likely that I will look first at a 12-core MacPro, unless it would require selling the house.  

 

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You will probably first see a six core mobile CPU before you see an eight core mobile CPU.
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I clicked on this thread expecting to see a joke about a "mini" roomba.

I'd really like to see Apple get into robotics, so a Mini roomba might make sense. Personal robotics, that is actually useful robots is about where the computer world was before the 6502 was developed. It is about the right time for Apple to shake up the industry.
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I would hate to see the mini be discontinued. It is so awesome in my view. I think they are going slowly so that Apple can keep the buzz up a little at a time.

It is never good to see an old friend pass on. However in this case a dying Mini could leave room in Apples lineup for something better.

As to keeping the buzz up I don't buy that. It isn't in Apples interest to have half assed product releases like we just had for iOS devices. The reason we didn't get iPads is because the product isn't ready, in fact I can argue that iOS 7 isn't ready for the iPads right now. As for the Mini, it is all speculation right now of course. In any event I just see the timing as right to introduce a new platform for the entry level to mid level performance range. Since the desktop market is collapsing all around Apple it would be best to leverage as much of the new Mac Pro hardware as is possible. This is where I see a "pro" chassis, with desktop parts in it, being a practical way to address a shrinking market they have no control over.
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You will probably first see a six core mobile CPU before you see an eight core mobile CPU.

 

 

I hope I said I was dreaming!

 

I could go for dual quad core...

 

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I am so eagerly waiting for October 15rh and hoping so hard for a mini update with Iris Pro and a PCIe SSD.
That would be extremely nice to say the least. I have to winder if they are waiting on Intel and the TB2 chip supply. TB 2 could be very interesting in a Mini Quad core for the server market. TB2 in this case would be providing a disk array connection.
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I might have to wait to afford it but it'll be worth it.
Sadly I might not be able to afford it this year.
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While I know CPU performance over the past few years has been marginal (Sandy to Ivy and now Ivy to Haswell), I wonder if integrated GPU performance will continue to have substantial jumps starting with Haswell and onward.

If you look at the photo micro graphs of the Haswell chip you will see that the GPU takes up a good portion of the chip. To get substantially better performance, Intel would have to do a process shrink to increase the area available to the GPU. However there is a problem, there is strong demand for more CPU cores so it isn't an automatic gain for the GPU if Intel does do a process shrink.

In any event the CPU performance really isn't that bad, Intel actually does fairly well on a per watt basis now. I know that isn't the performance you are talking about, but they got there without loosing computational performance. Haswell basically is a design that stressed different priorities than in the past. It is a good chip design that would do wonders with the next shrink.
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I am dreaming for a revamped mini that has a better cooling fan so that it will work well with heavy rendering with a nod towards render farms, oh, and an 8-core CPU.  If so, I could pick up 2 or 3 and add more later.   Ha!
That unfortunately is a dream that won't come true for a couple of years. Four core and even six core might be possible even with an advance GPU. Four core is already a done deal if you DuPont need GPU performance.
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Alas, I do wake up from time to time and realize that that is not likely, so I hope they do a good improvement.  
Not likely this year and possibly not next year if the rumors about Intel slowing up some development programs is true. However continue to dream because the onward march of technology means that machine isn't far off.
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I will consider it, but it is looking highly likely that I will look first at a 12-core MacPro, unless it would require selling the house.  

There is no way at all that that machine will be cheap, Intel has a stiff price on those chips. However I think there is an extremely good chance that lower end configurations will be much cheaper. So maybe a six or eight core is in your future.
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Well I mean I don't have to have a mini if they do get rid of it but I want something like it in the headless desktop category. If they do get rid of it eventually (say within a year or two), what are my options? The Intel NUC? I know I asked this before but don't think I got a clear answer.
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I hope I said I was dreaming!

I could go for dual quad core...

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Actually if your rendering software get ported to OpenCL and runs well on Intels new Iris GPUs you may want to consider Iris enabled processors. For some OpenCL uses Iris is delivering impressive numbers. Wanting for that 8 core chip might not be worth it.

Of course this supposes that the rendering software ends up ported to OpenCL and that it actually runs good on Iris.
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Well I mean I don't have to have a mini if they do get rid of it but I want something like it in the headless desktop category. If they do get rid of it eventually (say within a year or two), what are my options? The Intel NUC? I know I asked this before but don't think I got a clear answer.

In the last year or so the mini concept has been heavily copied in the PC world. Lenovo for example has a very compact machine that sort of resembles the Mini. I also remember just recently seeing a front page cover at the magazine store of a whole lineup of Mini look a likes. I can't remember what magazine it was as I'm not interested in most PC rags.

In any event I would be prepared to see desktop machines shrink from every manufacture in the coming years. It is the way of high integration and fast electronics that computer literally have to get smaller to benefit from those fast electronics.
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In the last year or so the mini concept has been heavily copied in the PC world. Lenovo for example has a very compact machine that sort of resembles the Mini. I also remember just recently seeing a front page cover at the magazine store of a whole lineup of Mini look a likes. I can't remember what magazine it was as I'm not interested in most PC rags.

In any event I would be prepared to see desktop machines shrink from every manufacture in the coming years. It is the way of high integration and fast electronics that computer literally have to get smaller to benefit from those fast electronics.

Yeah I am just too used to having my mini hooked up to my HDTV for use as a huge monitor. I am not sure I want to go back to Windows so I will make every effort to stay with Mac but I am not sure I want an iMac or MacBook Pro. A Mac Pro is out of my budget and I wouldn't get full usage out of it.
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Possibility for October 22nd for a Mac mini announcement?
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There will be no announcement, just a silent update and press release. Apple hates the Mini.

 

If you question that, just look at how it's presented at the Apple Store. If you can find it.

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