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Guess the shutdown has some people down.  I can go to the Apple page and get to the mini in three clicks, same as iMac, MacBooks, etc.; it is right in the middle of the bar.

 

Gee, Apple hates the mini.


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Guess the shutdown has some people down.  I can go to the Apple page and get to the mini in three clicks, same as iMac, MacBooks, etc.; it is right in the middle of the bar.

 

Gee, Apple hates the mini.

 

Keep the politics out of Future Hardware. That's what PO is for.

 

And I was referring to the physical Apple Stores, where usually one lonely Mini sits all by itself against a wall. It sits right next to the one Mac Pro model, which was itself forgotten by Apple until this June.

 

In contrast, whole tables are used to display the AIO products: MacBooks, iMacs and iPads.

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There will be no announcement, just a silent update and press release. Apple hates the Mini.

 

If you question that, just look at how it's presented at the Apple Store. If you can find it.

I noticed that too, I had to ask the a sales person where it was the last time I was in the Apple Store. I like really like the Mini, the perfect media computer for your TV. 

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I was surprised the iMac wasn't saved for an announcement but oh well. Iris Pro would be nice but if they give me Iris, I'll be happy. I am not too excited on picking up the Intel HD 4600 and would probably wait for Broadwell unless they had a PCIe SSD.
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Keep the politics out of Future Hardware. That's what PO is for.

And I was referring to the physical Apple Stores, where usually one lonely Mini sits all by itself against a wall. It sits right next to the one Mac Pro model, which was itself forgotten by Apple until this June.
Yeah I know what you are talking about now. It is very perplexing to say the least and frankly it applied to their server hardware too. The server hardware is gone now but I have this feeling that Apple just didn't want to be bothered with actually trying to sell outside its primary markets.
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In contrast, whole tables are used to display the AIO products: MacBooks, iMacs and iPads.

Pretty pathetic isn't it. To be honest though I don't think the Mini was ever really something that Apple wanted to sell, it seems like a product designed for alternative sales channels. Many of those alternative channels being Internet based.

In the end though you are right, it is a machine that gets treated like a step child by a mother with no love in her heart. Sad really because the Mini isn't a bad machine nor concept, but it is neglected.
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I was surprised the iMac wasn't saved for an announcement but oh well. Iris Pro would be nice but if they give me Iris, I'll be happy. I am not too excited on picking up the Intel HD 4600 and would probably wait for Broadwell unless they had a PCIe SSD.

If they use the same SSD blades used in the MBA's that will be one hell of an upgrade for the Mini. My fear though is that they would shrink the machine some more and drop support for an internal magnetic drive. Having room for bulk storage is still a nice feature to have in any desktop. Of course if Apple where to offer a cost competitive external storage device for use over TB that may allow for a much thinner Mini.

Of course the Mini would have to still be around in the coming year.
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With this year's updates, Apple could push me closer towards an iMac if the Mac mini is discontinued but for the $1,300 cost want something better than 1920x1080 and I want flash storage not a 1 TB HDD at 5,400 rpm.

We'll see what the Haswell refresh brings.
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With this year's updates, Apple could push me closer towards an iMac if the Mac mini is discontinued but for the $1,300 cost want something better than 1920x1080 and I want flash storage not a 1 TB HDD at 5,400 rpm.

We'll see what the Haswell refresh brings.

The current Mac Mini can push A 27" Apple Display at full rez and that price you quoted would include a 256GB SSD drive or a hybrid Fusion drive at 1TB.

 

2.6GHz i7

8GB

256GB Solid State

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The only downside is the Intel HD Graphics 4000. I want a minimum of Iris 5100. I don't want another base mini and to have a dual core processor with the Intel HD 4600.
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We should know something soon...  hopefully...

 

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I should perhaps say that I'd like to think Iris (and especially Iris Pro) will be much better than the 4600, but price will play a role in my decision on whether I pull the trigger.
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I found another explanation of your English lesson, and you're right.

 

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I found another explanation of your English lesson, and you're right.

 

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Good find!

 

I've had that sig for a while but I'm not sure if it is helping.

 

Had wanted to move on to the difference between "than" and "then" but decided to wait; it could blow some minds (jk, maybe).

 

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post #855 of 1502
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I should perhaps say that I'd like to think Iris (and especially Iris Pro) will be much better than the 4600, but price will play a role in my decision on whether I pull the trigger.

For most of us price is always a factor. Value comes into the equation too. Sadly I'm really doubting that the Mini will be around in 2014. Something just tells me Apple has something else up its sleeves.

That could be a Mac Pro chassis with scaled down internals or a new box. Of course today that box could be a tube, a torus, a pyramid or something else. The general downturn and then Apples pricing strategy, is having a very negative impact on Apples desktop lineup, so I see them trying to stimulate sales with new models that offer improved value and maybe unique features.

When you have Apples executive team describing the desktop sales environment as very difficult you know they have a problem they can not afford to ignore. That being said Haswell plus Iris in a Mini would be very interesting, possibly compelling.
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Shape to me doesn't really matter much but price/specs most certainly do.
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Shape to me doesn't really matter much but price/specs most certainly do.

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For most of us price is always a factor. Value comes into the equation too. Sadly I'm really doubting that the Mini will be around in 2014. Something just tells me Apple has something else up its sleeves.

That could be a Mac Pro chassis with scaled down internals or a new box. Of course today that box could be a tube, a torus, a pyramid or something else. The general downturn and then Apples pricing strategy, is having a very negative impact on Apples desktop lineup, so I see them trying to stimulate sales with new models that offer improved value and maybe unique features.

When you have Apples executive team describing the desktop sales environment as very difficult you know they have a problem they can not afford to ignore. That being said Haswell plus Iris in a Mini would be very interesting, possibly compelling.

 

Sadly I agree as well, I'm not sure how well the Mini's are selling so this is just a speculation.

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Sounds like your posting a request in the male seeking male part of the classifieds. I hope you find mister right. 1tongue.gif  

Or Miss... : P

Anyway, Haswell i7 ULV, Iris 5100, Flash storage, 8 GB memory. $699.
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Or Miss... : P

 

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post #861 of 1502

The mini sells to businesses at least 2:1 versus consumers. 

 

It's not the rank and file Joe Six Pack that will complain that the mini is gone it is 

education and business that buy these things by the bushel for dept servers and 

a variety of other uses. 

 

It's the vertical markets like Savant Systems that use Mac mini to run home automation 

platforms. 

 

Apple should be finding ways to reduce the cost of the mini. A $499 mini isn't going to cannibalize 

the iMacs.   In the future 64-bit ARM in a mini chassis connected to SSD would be an ideal platform 

for business and hi-tech consumer alike. 

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Apple should be finding ways to reduce the cost of the mini. A $499 mini isn't going to cannibalize 

the iMacs.   In the future 64-bit ARM in a mini chassis connected to SSD would be an ideal platform 

for business and hi-tech consumer alike. 

 

Yes, yes and yes, I like where your head is at. Apple, honey, dear, I would like an ARM version of the Mini please, nothing too fancy, just what you can find around the shop would do. A7 64-bit, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, OSX, sure that will do just fine, just fine indeed.

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Sadly I agree as well, I'm not sure how well the Mini's are selling so this is just a speculation.

Well we do know what Apples own executives have said on and off this year. So based on the various comments at the quarterly status reports I'm fairly sure Mini sales are hurting right along with the rest of the desktop line up. The real issue is what can Apple do about this.
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Haaay, them are fightin words mister, I've only eaten clams twice. Woopsy's, moderators this woman is being disgusting, please tell her to clean up her act.

Nothing disgusting about it but it doesn't fit with the thread.
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The mini sells to businesses at least 2:1 versus consumers. 
They do show up in unique places.
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It's not the rank and file Joe Six Pack that will complain that the mini is gone it is 
education and business that buy these things by the bushel for dept servers and 
a variety of other uses. 
Apple could do better for that market. I still have a difficult time accepting the Mini as a server. Access to disk drives is critical for those sorts of machines.
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It's the vertical markets like Savant Systems that use Mac mini to run home automation 
platforms. 

Apple should be finding ways to reduce the cost of the mini. A $499 mini isn't going to cannibalize 
the iMacs.
There isn't a lot of overlap between an iMac customer and a Mini customer. It is one argument I've rejected repeatedly because iMac in some cases simply doesn't fit the application.
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  In the future 64-bit ARM in a mini chassis connected to SSD would be an ideal platform 
for business and hi-tech consumer alike. 
Something you could se coming and at a very reasonable price. For some applications A7 could do the job.
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Nothing disgusting about it but it doesn't fit with the thread.

 

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Yes, yes and yes, I like where your head is at. Apple, honey, dear, I would like an ARM version of the Mini please, nothing too fancy, just what you can find around the shop would do. A7 64-bit, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD, OSX, sure that will do just fine, just fine indeed.
OS/X is an absolute requirement.
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OS/X is an absolute requirement.

Nah I want Windoze 8.1 1smoking.gif

But seriously, take advantage of the best stuff available.
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Guess I'll be waiting a bit longer.
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It was a busy presentation and I kept thinking the mini would come out.

 

Hopefully soon?

 

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Guess I'll be waiting a bit longer.


Considering the similarities between the hardware configurations of the mini and the 13", your chances of iris pro graphics are very high.

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Considering the similarities between the hardware configurations of the mini and the 13", your chances of iris pro graphics are very high.

The 13" only has Iris, not Iris Pro - Iris is half the speed. However, the quad-core mini tends to get the same CPUs as the entry 15" so I expect the second model could get Iris Pro. These CPUs are more expensive than the previous ones so if they do go for Iris/Iris Pro, they have to get a $100 price hike. The margins are too low otherwise. That's still ok though - $899 for Iris Pro + quad-i7 is pretty much the quad-i7 + 650M that people wanted for $999 in the past.

Tim mentioned products would roll out into 2014, I guess the mini is the one that gets the raw deal. Although he did say during the presentation that all their products had been updated in time for the holidays. Maybe they don't consider poor little tiny Tim (the mini) part of their family, at Christmas.

The mini will never be a model they pay much attention to. Unfortunately it is the worst of both - a low seller and low revenue. Customers immediately think that it's underpowered because of its size and there's no Apple displays cheap enough to pair with it and the peripheral prices are high.

The mini has uses as a server but when you think about what a server does and the most popular OSes for it such as CentOS and Debian, these are systems that run with a tiny memory footprint and are designed to be stable for months on end. iOS is much better suited for this than OS X. The mini could easily be reworked into a high clock-speed A7 machine running iOS and sold as a cheap server. The UI is really lightweight and can run no problem at 320x480 so even if it needed remote desktop type control, this can be done very easily and managed remotely by an iOS device or Mac in a manner similar to the iOS simulator.

I'm sure people still have the notion that Apple will always need an affordable desktop to offer but it's always about sales volume. If the sales aren't there, they drop the products because the sales indicate the needs and demands of the market. Maybe they'd miss out on switchers but the Macbook Air and even iOS devices are doing this job better.

It's great to have the option of getting the same CPU in the $1999 MBP in an $899 desktop but I reckon the number of units would be around 150k per quarter. The average selling price of their desktops is around $1290. The cheapest iMac started at $1199 in 2012 up until November. To get an ASP of $1290, this means they had to be selling a fair amount of higher up models, likely the $1699 27" iMac.

150k per quarter would contribute around $35m to their gross profit of $17b. I'd estimate the iMac contributes over $400m. There is only around $400-500m of gross profit from desktops. Their laptops account for 3x more.

If a significant amount of the 150k are actually buying them to use as servers and not desktops, they can build them for $200-300 less. They might even manage to hit below $299 (think overclocked iPad mini with 4GB RAM, 128GB SSD with optional 2.5" storage and no display). It could even function as a basic desktop. The kind of desktop you buy for someone that needs to check email on a big screen and browse the web (without Flash) but would be best not getting any issues and needing support. Scaling would be a slight issue as monitors come in different shapes but they could say 16:9 1080p display optimal. They could allow USB support for storage and cameras. They could be able to stretch gross margins above 40% while still hitting a lower price.
post #873 of 1502

No luck for a new Mac Mini.  My Mac Pro is so old that none of the new Apple software will run on it.  I can no longer afford to buy a new Mac Pro, so my only option is the Mac Mini.  I have a 30" Cinema Display, making an iMac pointless to buy when I already have a fantastic monitor.    I don't need a server.  I need a desktop that won't annihilate my budget and doesn't have a screen built in that I see no sense in paying additional for.  It's a little depressing being in the group of Mac users who aren't important enough to cater to.

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post #874 of 1502

Just purchase what you can afford which is a refurbished MM and be done with it.

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Just purchase what you can afford which is a refurbished MM and be done with it.

I'm guessing the new Mini (if it does continue) will be a radical change.  Most likely a sealed box like the AppleTV. Flash memory, no HDD options, and memory soldered to the board.  They will be able to reduce the size a good bit too.  I could see it being repositioned as a SOHO/home media server.  The digital hub of the post PC world.  It *might* even get the next generation 64 bit ARM processor, starting the transition away from bootcamp too.  

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@Winter, @hmm, @Marvin

 

The quad-core Iris pro cpu in the entry level 15" MBP, is not that much more expensive than the quad-core in the current midrange/server Mac mini ($440 vs $378, and would still generate economy of scale with the 15" MBP). The problem lies with the entry level Mac mini:

 

- moving from a $225 cpu (shared with the previous 13" MBP) to a $342 Iris cpu, is a much bigger step, and

- it would involve a second motherboard for the Mac mini since Iris and Iris pro parts don't share the same socket, nor the same IOH

 

FYI, Apple choosed to use HQ parts for all 15" MBPs while MQ parts would offer better performance at lower costs (for the models with dedicated graphics).

 

So the problem for Apple is to find parts that share the same socket, so that they can manufacture a single motherboard for cpus appropriate to the entry level, the midrange and the server model. Like the following ones:

 

http://ark.intel.com/compare/75027,75469,76087

 

- Entry level:

dual-core 2.80 Core i5-4200H, 47W, HD 4600 graphics, FCBGA1364, $257 (+$32 vs previous model)

- Midrange model (same as the entry level 15" MBP):

quad-core 2.00 Core i7-4750HQ, 47W, HD 5200 graphics, FCBGA1364, $440 (+$62 vs previous model)

- Server model:

quad-core 2.40 Core i7-4700EQ, 47W, HD 4600 graphics, FCBGA1364, $378 (same price, ECC RAM support)

 

Apple could easily absorb the increase in cost, especially if they keep the ram/storage specs the same. All three models would offer a nice increase in performance over the Ivy Bridge versions.

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Guess I'll be waiting a bit longer.

I was a bit disappointed too. More so Mavericks found a flaw in my hard disk during install on my MBP. I currently have Mavericks running off an USB drive (which sucks) I will need to try recovering the disk today, but I think it is hosed pretty bad. The problem is I have to balance repairing this 2008 MBP (which really has several issues) or just buying a new machine.

One good thing is that the laptops are far more reasonable now. I really had hopes for a cooler running Haswell based Mini with a GPU I could respect. Or an XMac type machine. Sadly we get neither. Worst yet barely a mention on line in forums or news sites.

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You have some interesting points here!
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The 13" only has Iris, not Iris Pro - Iris is half the speed.
That maybe so but it is still better than the base GPU in Haswell.
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However, the quad-core mini tends to get the same CPUs as the entry 15" so I expect the second model could get Iris Pro. These CPUs are more expensive than the previous ones so if they do go for Iris/Iris Pro, they have to get a $100 price hike. The margins are too low otherwise. That's still ok though - $899 for Iris Pro + quad-i7 is pretty much the quad-i7 + 650M that people wanted for $999 in the past.
I wouldn't mind paying that much if the GPU delivers the results. Every indication so far is that the Iris GPUs do deliver. For years my biggest problem with the Mini has been GPU performance, Apple simply never offered a model that was worth the extra cash to purchase. The 2011 model with the discrete AMD GPU was too much of a joke to even think about.

The thing here is Haswell combined with Mavericks changes the ball game considerably. Not only are the drivers vastly improved, but memory can be dynamically allocated to the GPU. This would vastly improve the capability of the Mini and would out the Mini in another performance category.
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Tim mentioned products would roll out into 2014, I guess the mini is the one that gets the raw deal. Although he did say during the presentation that all their products had been updated in time for the holidays. Maybe they don't consider poor little tiny Tim (the mini) part of their family, at Christmas.
To which I would have to ask; what is the point? Waiting until the end of November would just kill sales throughout the holiday season.
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The mini will never be a model they pay much attention to. Unfortunately it is the worst of both - a low seller and low revenue. Customers immediately think that it's underpowered because of its size and there's no Apple displays cheap enough to pair with it and the peripheral prices are high.
Well it has been under powered, that relates directly to the GPU which is extremely important to all modern operating systems and the services they support. The sad thing here is that Haswell has the thermal performance to address the GPU issue even if an uprated power supply is required, but sales are currently rolling over a cliff.

As for customers part of the problem is marketing, walk into any Apple store and try to find the Mini. I really think the Mini was built for Apples third party resellers. This is why Apple has never even tried to present a rational configuration in their stores. Nobody in their right mind lays out +$600 for a computer and the attaches a +$800 monitor to it. Especially when the GPU in the machine has been less than wonderful.
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The mini has uses as a server but when you think about what a server does and the most popular OSes for it such as CentOS and Debian, these are systems that run with a tiny memory footprint and are designed to be stable for months on end. iOS is much better suited for this than OS X. The mini could easily be reworked into a high clock-speed A7 machine running iOS and sold as a cheap server. The UI is really lightweight and can run no problem at 320x480 so even if it needed remote desktop type control, this can be done very easily and managed remotely by an iOS device or Mac in a manner similar to the iOS simulator.
These are points that are very valid! An A7 or better processor in a Mini type machine could make for a very nice SOHO type server. However I think yo underestimate how important RAM is for more advance server duties. Even so A7 should be able to address plenty of RAM.

The thing here is A7 could be valuable for many traditional Mini duties beyond use as a server. It just doesn't have the performance to sit on today's desktops as a primary workstation.
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I'm sure people still have the notion that Apple will always need an affordable desktop to offer but it's always about sales volume. If the sales aren't there, they drop the products because the sales indicate the needs and demands of the market. Maybe they'd miss out on switchers but the Macbook Air and even iOS devices are doing this job better.
I honestly believe that Apple needs an entry level machine. That could be a low end Mini or a laptop. My perspective has changed of late though. The problem is this, much of the really low end demand has gone to tablets and frankly for good reason, it is a segment that won't come back anytime soon. This has me believing that the only choice Apple has is to introduce a machine attractive to professional users, especially those professional users that balk at the Mac Pros price structure. I see more potential for a Mini with Haswell Iris Pro than I do for an entry level machine. I'd still go a step farther and build a machine with 4 RAM slots and a high performance SSD interface just like the rest of the Mac machines. The thing is with modern tech you might not need a bigger box, though you might have to give up rust based storage. I see this as very doable in the $900 to $1200 range. It would be a machine that is what many professionals need, a machine with lots of RAM and a respectable GPU.
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It's great to have the option of getting the same CPU in the $1999 MBP in an $899 desktop but I reckon the number of units would be around 150k per quarter. The average selling price of their desktops is around $1290. The cheapest iMac started at $1199 in 2012 up until November. To get an ASP of $1290, this means they had to be selling a fair amount of higher up models, likely the $1699 27" iMac.
I think it was two years or so ago that somebody at Apple let slip that desktop sales have sucked and that even iMac sales where flat. Laptop sales have come close to 80% of all Mac sales. That means 20% of the sales went to desktop machines and the bulk of those are usually the iMac. So yeah sales haven't been all that great. Apple however has been complicit in making sure the Mini doesn't succeed in my mind. For years it shipped with too little RAM to even run Apples operation systems properly. Apple established the Minis reputation for being a poor value.

It was interesting to hear some of the excuses, such as well go out and buy your own RAM which makes about as much sense as Ford telling somebody their transmissions suck, go out and buy a third party transmission. The other common complaint was that a proper amount of RAM from Apple cost to much. Thankfully Apple demonstrated with their own hardware, in the form of Mac Book AIR, the lie that RAM has to be expensive from Apple. AIR has been around in its current form for a couple of years now, yet the Mini still suffers from the same basic architecture of a decade ago and still represents poor value out of the box for running OS/X.
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150k per quarter would contribute around $35m to their gross profit of $17b. I'd estimate the iMac contributes over $400m. There is only around $400-500m of gross profit from desktops. Their laptops account for 3x more.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised to find that the numbers have favored laptops even more. The advent of the iPads will likely change that in the future if you believe as I do that tablet capabilities are just getting to the point of being able to displace laptops. I see the proportion of Mac Sales changing in the future with desktops becoming a greater percentage of sales. Not more sales mind you just that the allure of laptops will go away. The only problem here is value, Apples desktop line up sucks in this respect and is the common reason why people express the opinion that they are forced into buying an Apple laptop.
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If a significant amount of the 150k are actually buying them to use as servers and not desktops, they can build them for $200-300 less. They might even manage to hit below $299 (think overclocked iPad mini with 4GB RAM, 128GB SSD with optional 2.5" storage and no display). It could even function as a basic desktop. The kind of desktop you buy for someone that needs to check email on a big screen and browse the web (without Flash) but would be best not getting any issues and needing support. Scaling would be a slight issue as monitors come in different shapes but they could say 16:9 1080p display optimal. They could allow USB support for storage and cameras. They could be able to stretch gross margins above 40% while still hitting a lower price.
You are on a common path here because I honestly believe that the only other option Apple has for a Mini like machine is to go extreme low cost. The only way to do that is to go A7. Considering the integration here of what would likely be an A7D ( D for desktop) they could most likely build that PC into half the volume of the current Mini. By the way the D is a chip with more I/O, in this case USB and TB. One only has to look at the size of the chips and PCBs in the iPhone or iPad to realize that a slightly bigger board could integrate RAM and everything else required to make a "PC".
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No luck for a new Mac Mini.  My Mac Pro is so old that none of the new Apple software will run on it.  I can no longer afford to buy a new Mac Pro, so my only option is the Mac Mini.  I have a 30" Cinema Display, making an iMac pointless to buy when I already have a fantastic monitor.    I don't need a server.  I need a desktop that won't annihilate my budget and doesn't have a screen built in that I see no sense in paying additional for.  It's a little depressing being in the group of Mac users who aren't important enough to cater to.

Obviously Apple has gone off the deep end with introductory Mac Pro pricing. I'm not sure what they where thinking in that respect, they seem to not realize that there is a wide array of "Pros" that use their hardware.

Sadly your only other choice these days is to buy an Apple laptop and keep the lid closed. It is a really pathetic solution. Maybe something will come out in the next couple of months but I'm not hopeful it will be what we need.
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I am not purchasing a refurbished Ivy Bridge mini because the HD 4000 is not that big of a jump from the HD 3000. I was not placing all my chips on if a new mini would be announced yesterday because last week I purchased Pokemon X and a 2DS so that has filled the void I was seeking for the time being. : P

I am either looking for Iris 5100 or Iris Pro 5200 (more likely the former since it is closer to my budget, also I want flash storage and 128 GB will suffice for me although 256 GB would be better) or else I will wait to see if they update it for Broadwell.
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