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The only reason they let a 5400 drive into the base model was to come under a price point.

It's also possible it is to keep heat manageable.

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What you have heard is not technically correct. Newer drives have higher recording densities which result in faster data transfers for a given spindle speed. However this is in respect to older drives, given the same tech a drive with a faster spindle will still be faster.
I know many will not want to hear this but this really appears to be Apple trying to sell the expensive hybrid technology in place of modern performance drives. Sad really because the hybrid approach they are offering is grossly over priced.

By several accounts, the Fusion Drive is actually two separate drives logically merged by the OS, somewhat like a tiered cache, but it's more complicated than that. Ars Technica has an article on this. So it's not a hybrid drive like the Seagate Momentus XT.
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I know I will be ordering a 27" with 3 TB Fusion drive and 32GB ram not sure if the budget will allow to also upgrade the cpu but since the 27" won't be available until december I will probably be able to add that too. 1smile.gif

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Can't tell if trolling...

He's trolling if he calls 2560x1440 too low a resolution to get work done.

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No blue ray?  I'm keeping a windows desktop just for watching blue ray movies and waiting for Apple to update its desktop with blue ray.  Now I think Apple will never have a build-in blue ray for its desktop.  What a disappointment...  I know SJ hates blue ray but I thought TC would be different, just like SJ hates a smaller ipad but ipad mini is here.

Sure, I can buy an addon drive but why not have blue ray as an option?  

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Really?
In my mind they took everything I hate about the iMac and made it worst. Maybe my mind will change once we get better data on the machines. For me it is even more frustrating because they castrated the Mac Mini even more, with no GPU in the $799 model. In a nutshell it totally looks like Apple has lost its way on the desktop or simply decided to shove crap down our throats.
I'm not trying to dismiss the value of Ivy Bridge in the iMacs, that is certainly a vast improvement. What bothers me is serviceability, the focus on thinnest over performance and the performance regressions in things like the disk dives. It will be real interesting to see how these machines perform under load, specifically the amount of thermal throttling and temperature rise of the case.

 

Agree.  Seems like Apple is enjoying the success of iphone and ipad and doesn't care too much about desktop's performance anymore.  The only thing which keeps Apple in the desktop business is for the developer to write iphone and ipad apps.

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Originally Posted by ipen View Post
No blue ray?  I'm keeping a windows desktop just for watching blue ray movies and waiting for Apple to update its desktop with blue ray.  Now I think Apple will never have a build-in blue ray for its desktop.  What a disappointment...  I know SJ hates blue ray but I thought TC would be different, just like SJ hates a smaller ipad but ipad mini is here.

Sure, I can buy an addon drive but why not have blue ray as an option?  

 

No Blu-ray because it requires OS-level crap. Crap that I don't want. Crap that the majority of people don't want. Blu-ray players are $79; same price as some Android tablets. A 21.5" screen isn't the place to watch these movies unless you're a foot away. A 27" screen isn't the place to watch them either, as they're blown up to fit the resolution.


Originally Posted by ipen View Post
Agree.  Seems like Apple is enjoying the success of iphone and ipad and doesn't care too much about desktop's performance anymore.  The only thing which keeps Apple in the desktop business is for the developer to write iphone and ipad apps.

 

While a potential valid concern in the future, it's far from the case right now.

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post #47 of 51
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The only thing which keeps Apple in the desktop business is for the developer to write iphone and ipad apps.

Can you back up that statement or is they intended to be hyperbole?

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post #48 of 51
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I heard that in theory, a 5400rpm disk can be as fast (or faster) than a 7200rpm disk depending on the amount of platters it uses. A 5400rpm disk with less platters could (unless I've been misinformed) be faster than a 7200rpm disk with more platters. But that still doesn't make it strange that Apple chose for such a disk. If they wanted to reduce space and chose to use a 2.5" instead of a 3.5" HD, they could still choose a 2.5" 7200rpm HD instead.

 

Something you can't fix with more platters: rotational latency. On average you wait half a rotation before the disk head is at the data you want and a faster rotation rate reduces that delay. More platters can speed up transfer time but that only helps with bigger transactions. 5400rpm = 90r/s, i.e., half a rotation takes 5.6ms. 7200rpm = 120r/s and half a rotation takes 4.2ms. By contrast, at 1Gbit/s, it takes 0.03ms to transfer 4KB, so moving the transfer rate up or down a tad makes little difference unless you are streaming a lot of data, not doing somewhat random accesses. I can't find a spec on the interface Apple is using in the latest iMacs, which can make a big difference too.

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post #49 of 51
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Not necessary true, more companies are now moving away from PCs. Working for a company who used nothing but PC for the last 20 yrs I am seeing more Macs showing up and these are not people bring in their own, it the company buying them for employees. With so many business systems going to a web/cloud base systems there is no need for a PC and PC only systems tools. Unless you running an application that has to run on a PC at your desk, there is no specific need for a PC these days. In the past company used PC because business system required a PC to use them.

This right here is what has changed:

 

""We think the industry changed with the iPad launch because the tablet is effectively a PC - it doesn't need to be connected to a network to work and runs third-party applications," Steve Brazier, chief executive of research firm Canalys, says.

Windows 8 screenshotWindows 8 introduces a new user interface designed to be operated via a touchscreen

"Once you segment the market that way, Windows share of the global PC market has fallen to 72%. Three years ago that would have been over 95%.

"If you add the PC market together to the smartphone market - which we call the intelligent device sector - Windows share falls to 32%."

 

The Windows OS no longer has 90+% of the market. Its has 90% +/- of 32%. People are now using these pocket commodity devices for what they used to use a desktop computer for and that sea shift has taken place in a scant few years. Desktop computers are on the way out. Sure "more" companies are moving to OS independent cloud services, but as a whole, enterprise is still the last bastion of the desktop unit running Windows.

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I also have been waiting for theUltimate Desktop Imac I did not buy last cycle because it did not have USB 3.0 Now it has everything EXCEPT Sevicability I understad that the New IMAC is welded shut I have been using computers all my life and I do not know of one that never needs to be repaired I have not found on APPLES site explaing how it can be opened for service How long it would take or how much it would cost I do not know about you but I cant afford to buy a new computer every time it need a minor repair
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I also have been waiting for theUltimate Desktop Imac I did not buy last cycle because it did not have USB 3.0 Now it has everything EXCEPT Sevicability I understad that the New IMAC is welded shut I have been using computers all my life and I do not know of one that never needs to be repaired I have not found on APPLES site explaing how it can be opened for service How long it would take or how much it would cost I do not know about you but I cant afford to buy a new computer every time it need a minor repair

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