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While Apple surprised with the announcement of a new fourth-generation iPad this week, the company may quickly update the product once again with a thinner and lighter model early next year, one insider believes.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities thinks Apple may feel pressure from Microsoft's new Surface tablet, especially considering that the fourth-generation iPad is the same weight and thickness as the third-generation model.

"Though the iPad mini is expected to be successful, we think launching the lighter, thinner 9.7" iPad as quickly as possible matters more for Apple strategically," Kuo explained.

If Microsoft Surface does catch on with consumers and businesses, it would pose a risk to Apple's current dominance of the "post-PC" world. For that reason, he thinks Apple will move quickly to redesign the iPad once again in the near future.

Apple is expected to employ "GF DITO" touchscreen technology, otherwise known as GF2, in its redesigned iPad, according to Kuo. In combination with more power-efficient chips, Apple is expected to "dramatically lower the weight and thickness of the 9.7" iPad," Kuo wrote.

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Apple is said to already be employing GF2 display technology in the new iPad mini. That helped to make the device 23 percent thinner and 53 percent lighter than the full-size iPad.

The fourth-generation iPad unveiled by Apple on Tuesday marked an uncharacteristically short product life cycle for the company. It completely replaced the third-generation model, while the $399 iPad 2 remains without a high-resolution Retina display.

The new fourth-generation iPad carries the same price points as its predecessor, while packing in faster performance with a new A6X processor that Apple said doubles the speed of the system's CPU and GPU. It also features Apple's new Lightning connector, replacing the legacy 30-pin design found on the third-generation model.

Customers who recently purchased a third-generation iPad may be able to return their purchase and exchange it for the updated fourth-generation model at certain Apple retail stores.
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So… tomorrow, then. The 4th gen is already discontinued, moving to the 5th gen.

 

😒

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Apple is sure focusing on iPads more than anything now. Not surprised, but other products like Mac Pro are just crying in the corner.

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Originally Posted by iVlad View Post
…other products like Mac Pro are just crying in the corner.

 

Specifically stated to be receiving an update next year.

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This guy is up to something. Very fishy analysis.

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I believe Apple will do whatever it can to keep the iPad out front as a market leader in tablets. On that note, I'll order the 4th generation, the 5th generation and such as long as there's eBay!
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So… tomorrow, then. The 4th gen is already discontinued, moving to the 5th gen.

 

😒

I think it's about time we start talking about the 6th gen iPad. 

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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post
I think it's about time we start talking about the 6th gen iPad. 


The "iPad 5", as it were. lol.gif

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Oh come on this guy again, this guy crawled out from underneath some rock and is trying to make a name for himself. He making all sort of speculations. He obviously think apple does like other companies in the past which was every time a competitor does something Apple will match them.

Apples has never done that except when Jobs was not not there, even with him gone that have recipe they are following and I have yet to see any deviation form that which it not to react to the competitions offers.
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If this is true, before the warranties on the launch day 3rd gen iPad expire, the successor to the successor of that device will be announced.  That is an insane pace, by Apple's previous standards.

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This is absolute silliness.  This type of article pops up almost every time Apple makes a product announcement.  History shows us that Apple updates their products once a year and sometimes a year-and-a-half. I think people publish this type of article just to get hits on their website.

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So… tomorrow, then. The 4th gen is already discontinued, moving to the 5th gen.

 

If you consider the 4th  gen iPad as just a speed bump, then the idea that they'd release a completely updated design in the Spring, which would, among other things, likely be lighter and thinner, isn't far fetched, and is probably the basis for his "analysis", more so than his rationale regarding the Surface.

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I would like a thinner lighter iPad 5! It is clearly possible it will happen sooner.
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So now that everything is updated (save Mac Pro, which is coming soon) what do we have to look forward to/argue about?  Apple TV?  Since everything has been updated from iPod to Macs, seems there isn't much to wish for? Right?

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If you consider the 4th  gen iPad as just a speed bump, then the idea that they'd release a completely updated design in the Spring, which would, among other things, likely be lighter and thinner, isn't far fetched, and is probably the basis for his "analysis", more so than his rationale regarding the Surface.

 

But they wouldn't update the iPad in the spring and not the iPad mini at the same time, would they?  Surely not

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This guy is up to something. Very fishy analysis.

 

All analysts are fishy. They don't want to be caught off guard if it turns out that Apple is moving to little updates every 6 months on these products (and I could see it for the iPad, maybe not the Mini until after they have the first year to judge the line up fully) so they will make claims and then when it looks like they are wrong they will trump up some component etc delay to "explain" why it's not happening instead of admitting they pulled the whole thing out of their butts

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Unless "Ming-Chi Kuo" means "inside" in Chinese, I don't see why he would be labeled an insider.

 

 

 

The surprise of yesterday's iPad update, to me, was that they called it a 4th generation iPad. There is another way to interpret "this", the 5th generation iPad (lighter or otherwise) isn't coming out until next October.

 

Any mention of what they will do with remaining inventory of 3rd G iPad once 4th gen iPads become available?

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Originally Posted by allenbf View Post
…what do we have to look forward to/argue about? Apple TV?

 

Ugh… yes. That thing. 😖


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Any mention of what they will do with remaining inventory of 3rd G iPad once 4th gen iPads become available?

 

Seems they just no longer exist. They must be being held back for replacements. The iPad 3 is available in the refurb store, though.

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This is absolute silliness.  This type of article pops up almost every time Apple makes a product announcement.  History shows us that Apple updates their products once a year and sometimes a year-and-a-half. I think people publish this type of article just to get hits on their website.

 

and now history shows that sometimes they will do it in half a year. 

 

Sorry but 'history shows' appears to be weakening as Tim Cook takes Steve Job's advice and runs with it. He's not necessarily doing as Steve did and the whole 'once a year' may go out the window for some things. This could be the first one. 

 

It's time to restart 'history' and expect anything. 

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Wonder if it will keep the 4:3 ratio
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So now that everything is updated (save Mac Pro, which is coming soon) what do we have to look forward to/argue about?  Apple TV?  Since everything has been updated from iPod to Macs, seems there isn't much to wish for? Right?


There is still the Mac Pro.

It's a matter of time before they upgrade the Cinema Display to to same thickness, or thinness of the new iMac.

 

As for the TV thing, Michael Gartenberg mentioned something smart the other day: The entire TV market, at $30B, isn't quite large enough to interest Apple. That's amazing thing about Apple - whatever market they go after needs to have a potential grow really, really, really ginormous.


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So now that everything is updated (save Mac Pro, which is coming soon) what do we have to look forward to/argue about?  Apple TV?  Since everything has been updated from iPod to Macs, seems there isn't much to wish for? Right?

How about a smart house called iHome, where everything has Siri functionality integrated.

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Wonder if it will keep the 4:3 ratio


Well, the 16:9 aspect ratio is compatible with HD format. But, what else? Not great for books. Meh for web browsing. Changing the current aspect ratio screws up current apps. Answer is pretty obvious?

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How about a smart house called iHome, where everything has Siri functionality integrated.


The market is too small. Standards are ... non-standard.

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Nope.
This is the real iPad3. The iPad3 that was released was a desperate product when plans did go wrong.
TSMC production of A6 tanked and Qualcomms 28nm baseband chip was delayed.

This lead to the desperate A5X thicker battery.

Apple should of course have waited and released the real iPad3.

Apple wants to release the new iPad in late Q3-early Q4 to maximise holiday season.

This is the new Apple. About maximising profits. Steve's Apple was about making the greatest products possible, then get profit. And when customers starts to feel milked for money, its over.

There is a 95% chance that Apple will repeat everything wrong they did after Steve left 1985. Just like back then, Apple will have a couple of great years before the decline starts.

Apple have already started with a wasteful dividend and share buy back. Apple should have instead fixed iCloud (by using revamped Xserve/Xsan Unix clustering) and bought/build a foundry to produce its own SoCs and NAND flash. Just one dividend could have bought AMD bought back Fab30 in Germany. If AMD was a separate part of Apple, they would have kept their X86 license. Apple could have done a custom X86 chip with DSPs and other fun stuff they have inside the A series SoC.
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So now that everything is updated (save Mac Pro, which is coming soon) what do we have to look forward to/argue about?  Apple TV?  Since everything has been updated from iPod to Macs, seems there isn't much to wish for? Right?

I was just going to write the same thing. What's AI going to report on for the next 11 months?
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But they wouldn't update the iPad in the spring and not the iPad mini at the same time, would they?  Surely not

 

I don't think I'd be comfortable with "surely" not. And they've updated iPhones in the past without updating iPod Touch's. There aren't any rules, just whatever they think is best.

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I’s say all bets are off: Apple is smart, they look well into the future, and they are surprisingly nimble. They will follow past patterns... and they will break them when there’s a reason.

 

The only thing we CAN be sure of is that nobody benefits if Apple decides to NOT release a better iPad for the same price. Some people seem to think it makes the current model better if there is no new model. Not true: the iPad you bought a few months ago is unchanged either way.

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It is obvious that Apple is betting heavily in the post-pc era. Apple updates the iPad more often than it updates the computers.

I'm sure Apple will expand the iPad offerings to include an even larger iPad (11" or 13") with more processing power as notebook replacement.

Maybe one day the iPad ecosystem will rival the Window's with 3rd party peripherals, accessories, and industrial applications.
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I don't think there'll be much pressure from the MS tablets for a while - not enough apps (talking about the RT tablets here). Android is still the main danger in the short term.

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Apple is sure focusing on iPads more than anything now. Not surprised, but other products like Mac Pro are just crying in the corner.

 

Not surprised, then you'd realize that the investment spent on upgrading the Mac Pro Line generates 10X more if invested in the Phone or Pad line.

 

It's Just Business.  For every Mac Pro potential user, there are 10 MBP potential users (I need mobile computing), and 30 iPad potential users (I need mobile content).   Makes hay while the sun shines.

 

I certainly hope to be wowed by it, and let Apple redefine the workstation like they redefined the laptop.

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If you consider the 4th  gen iPad as just a speed bump, then the idea that they'd release a completely updated design in the Spring, which would, among other things, likely be lighter and thinner, isn't far fetched, and is probably the basis for his "analysis", more so than his rationale regarding the Surface.

Well...4th generation IS just a speed bump.  It's possible they might drop another ipad next spring.

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As soon as Apple can get their hands on a more energy-efficient display for the iPad 4, they'll update it again. Probably something along the lines of the Sharp IGZO type of technology used in the iPhone and iPad Mini. That will enable them to substantially shrink the battery and therefore weight, and still keep the same battery life.
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Nope.
This is the real iPad3. The iPad3 that was released was a desperate product when plans did go wrong.
TSMC production of A6 tanked and Qualcomms 28nm baseband chip was delayed.
This lead to the desperate A5X thicker battery.
Apple should of course have waited and released the real iPad3.
Apple wants to release the new iPad in late Q3-early Q4 to maximise holiday season.
This is the new Apple. About maximising profits. Steve's Apple was about making the greatest products possible, then get profit. And when customers starts to feel milked for money, its over.
There is a 95% chance that Apple will repeat everything wrong they did after Steve left 1985. Just like back then, Apple will have a couple of great years before the decline starts.
Apple have already started with a wasteful dividend and share buy back. Apple should have instead fixed iCloud (by using revamped Xserve/Xsan Unix clustering) and bought/build a foundry to produce its own SoCs and NAND flash. Just one dividend could have bought AMD bought back Fab30 in Germany. If AMD was a separate part of Apple, they would have kept their X86 license. Apple could have done a custom X86 chip with DSPs and other fun stuff they have inside the A series SoC.


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I’s say all bets are off: Apple is smart, they look well into the future, and they are surprisingly nimble. They will follow past patterns... and they will break them when there’s a reason.

 

The only thing we CAN be sure of is that nobody benefits if Apple decides to NOT release a better iPad for the same price. Some people seem to think it makes the current model better if there is no new model. Not true: the iPad you bought a few months ago is unchanged either way.

 

The key item is that Apple can deliver an OS and HW platform that is tightly integrated, so app developers can exploit the platform for a compelling experience.  You can't do that with Android now.

 

The next turn of the crank is gotta be making distributed computing even more ubiquitous, and make integrated micropayments  (.99 music, $4.99 movies and books are the first wave... soon it has drive down to a lower threshhold... click to buy .25 cents for a day of game time  (arcade game model, if I can get you in a multiplayer, multi-day game, and lock you and 8 others in to 2-3 days of game time a month without ads for a .25 a day... 4 million players would be $1M a Day per playing day)  Same model for news sources etc.

 

This is why I see AppleTV is less about TVs and more about  monetized content delivery (disrupt the mainstream Cable and broadcast networks).  

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Originally Posted by koban4max View Post
Well...4th generation IS just a speed bump.  It's possible they might drop another ipad next spring.

 

The iPad 3 was also a speed bump. I don't see why people are treating this one differently. Heck, this one added a new port and different LTE capabilities. 

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Apple is sure focusing on iPads more than anything now. Not surprised, but other products like Mac Pro are just crying in the corner.

Considering that iOS now accounts for most of Apple's sales, I'm not surprised. The iPad is the future Mac, in a sense.

When we consider that Windows sales were down three out of the four quarters this year, and iPad sales continue to rise at a good pace, though the past quarter's may be lower than expected because of the wait for the Mini, it's understandable that Apple would put a lot of work into them.

While I, and many others was surprised at a really new iPad now, we were expecting the move to the Lightning connector. What I'm surprised at in addition, is their keeping the iPad 2 around, rather than lowering the price of the third model a bit, say, to $449.
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That at least means Rogue 6. When is te earliest we can expect it. Next Summer?

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The iPad 3 was also a speed bump. I don't see why people are treating this one differently. Heck, this one added a new port and different LTE capabilities. 

 

Uhm, I don't think so. No more than the iPhone 4 was a speed bump of the 3GS.

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The iPad 3 was also a speed bump. I don't see why people are treating this one differently. Heck, this one added a new port and different LTE capabilities. 

Hah! Caught you! After that long argument about why the iPad name was enough, and that we didn't need numbers to describe older models, "just call the old model the iPad", you're reduced to calling it the iPad 3, thereby agreeing with what I said after all.

I knew you would do it.
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