or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Apple braces for significant shortage of new iMacs
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Apple braces for significant shortage of new iMacs

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Apple's newly redesigned iMacs will debut later in the December quarter, and the company expects the all-in-one desktops will face significant supply constraints through the end of the year.
 
The new 21.5-inch and 27-inch iMacs were unveiled by Apple this week, but the company announced the smaller version won't be available until November, while the larger one will not hit shelves until December.
 
"We will have a significant shortage there," Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook revealed during his company's quarterly earnings conference call on Thursday.
 
As Apple's desktop line has languished, MacBook products have become an ever increasing part of the company's lineup. For the September quarter, the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air accounted for 80 percent of Apple's total Mac sales.
 
Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities first reported <a href="http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/31/iphone_5_ipad_mini_among_8_new_apple_products_coming_before_end_of_2012">in August</a> that the new screen lamination process for the redesigned iMac is apparently more difficult with the 27-inch model, which could lead to it launching weeks after the 21.5-inch option. His scoop proved accurate, as the larger iMac will launch a month after the 21.5-inch model.
 
<div align="center"><img src="http://photos.appleinsider.com/iMac102412.001.jpg" alt="iMac 2012" /></div>
 
The new iMac is just <a href="http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/23/apples-redesigned-imac-is-5mm-thin-with-edge-to-edge-glass">5 millimeters thin</a> at its edges, and it features a new display laminated to the computer's edge-to-edge glass cover. Like Apple's other recent Mac updates, it lacks a dedicated optical disc drive.
 
In all, the design is <a href="http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/24/apple-slims-down-imac-40-with-friction-stir-welding-ditching-the-disc-drive">40 percent smaller</a> than its predecessor, thanks in part to a new "friction-stir welding" process, which Apple says "uses a combination of intense friction-generated heat and pressure to intermix the molecules of the two aluminum surfaces (of the front and back of the device), creating a seamless, precise and superstrong join."  
post #2 of 25
hard to keep that mac sales growth momentum if your desktop flagship isn't available for most of the quarter.
post #3 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post

hard to keep that mac sales growth momentum if your desktop flagship isn't available for most of the quarter.

Since desktops account for less than 20% of mac sales and laptops momentum is only growing, it's really easy. especially if you consider the 13r and the new mini.

post #4 of 25
I can't wait to get my hands on a 27" iMac. It is interesting they aren't even selling the old ones in the stores.

If the notebooks made up 80% of the 4.9 million that means there are less than million for their iMacs, Mac Pros and Mac minis (which is less than Apple TV sales). I bet the Mac mini account for most of their desktop machines sales so that leaves the iMac and Mac Pro picking up the rear.

I bet the 21.5" sells the most between the iMacs so I'm not surprised they aren't getting me my 27" iMac tomorrow.

"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

Reply

"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

Reply
post #5 of 25
Can anyone tell me where someone in the Sates can get the absolute best deal on the low-end 2011 iMac?
post #6 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Can anyone tell me where someone in the Sates can get the absolute best deal on the low-end 2011 iMac?

B and H Photo still has the base model 21.5" model in stock, for a savings of $200.  They are clearing them out for $1,099, with a discount on AppleCare too.

 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/767558-REG/Apple_MC309LL_A_21_5_iMac_Desktop_Computer.html

post #7 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

It is interesting they aren't even selling the old ones in the stores.
I bet the 21.5" sells the most between the iMacs

My local Apple Store has plenty of 2011 iMacs in stock and on display.

 

Doubtful that the 21.5 inch model will be popular, considering the memory is not upgradable and the hard drive is crippled at 5,400 RPM.

post #8 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I can't wait to get my hands on a 27" iMac. It is interesting they aren't even selling the old ones in the stores.
If the notebooks made up 80% of the 4.9 million that means there are less than million for their iMacs, Mac Pros and Mac minis (which is less than Apple TV sales). I bet the Mac mini account for most of their desktop machines sales so that leaves the iMac and Mac Pro picking up the rear.
I bet the 21.5" sells the most between the iMacs so I'm not surprised they aren't getting me my 27" iMac tomorrow.


It will be interesting to hear about the new ones. I'm not sure on the mini. It's not as possible to  order everything you need from the Apple Store with the mini given that the thunderbolt display is somewhat at odds with a budget machine. I'm not surprised they pulled the discrete gpu. It wasn't that great an effort as far as gpus were concerned. If intel's improvements outpace the low to mid notebook grade gpus again next year, it should be comfortable. The haswell one would also support OpenCL 1.1. The current one is not capable of supporting this. The biggest thing that I find weird about the 21.5" is that they've migrated to a slower HDD format. 5400 RPM drives in a desktop just seems weird to me. It's odd prioritizing depth that has no real impact on use over performance.

post #9 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

Since desktops account for less than 20% of mac sales and laptops momentum is only growing, it's really easy. especially if you consider the 13r and the new mini.

 

OF COURSE laptops were 80% of sales. The desktop offerings were antiquated! Who would buy them? Of course instead of being antiquated they're now just lame, so who knows if there will be any improvement?

post #10 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I can't wait to get my hands on a 27" iMac. It is interesting they aren't even selling the old ones in the stores.

Interesting? I think it's confusing for people looking at their site interesting in buying an iMac. Even the text saying when the new models will be available is practically invisible.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
post #11 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Can anyone tell me where someone in the Sates can get the absolute best deal on the low-end 2011 iMac?

Apple Store Refurb (I think $999) 

Edit: scratch that; they're $979

 

I always buy my AppleCare plans on eBay.


Edited by isaidso - 10/25/12 at 6:15pm
post #12 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Interesting? I think it's confusing for people looking at their site interesting in buying an iMac. Even the text saying when the new models will be available is practically invisible.

It doesn't seem to matter what country you choose, you can't buy an iMac online from Apple. It looks like going into an Apple Store or a 3rd party would be the only way to one if you really couldn't wait. This is pretty atypical. How long between the iPhone 3G announcement and it going on sale?

"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

Reply

"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

Reply
post #13 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by hmm View Post


It will be interesting to hear about the new ones. I'm not sure on the mini. It's not as possible to  order everything you need from the Apple Store with the mini given that the thunderbolt display is somewhat at odds with a budget machine. I'm not surprised they pulled the discrete gpu. It wasn't that great an effort as far as gpus were concerned. If intel's improvements outpace the low to mid notebook grade gpus again next year, it should be comfortable. The haswell one would also support OpenCL 1.1. The current one is not capable of supporting this. The biggest thing that I find weird about the 21.5" is that they've migrated to a slower HDD format. 5400 RPM drives in a desktop just seems weird to me. It's odd prioritizing depth that has no real impact on use over performance.

I wonder if they are using a 2.5" HDD in that model and are going with the slower speed for reliability for the larger capacity 2.5" drives.

"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

Reply

"The real haunted empire?  It's the New York Times." ~SockRolid

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

Reply
post #14 of 25

It's just embarrassing that a company of the caliber of Apple cannot launch a product without shortages. And no, this is not a sign of overwhelming demand for magically awesome products. It's either a sign of poor planning or arrogant scarcity marketing, neither of which is flattering. They don't even have their own factories, so if it's really about production limitations, then they are just too cheap to pay Foxconn etc. to assemble more.

post #15 of 25

Some people are just going to have to wait it out. That's how it goes when the demand is much higher than what can be supplied. Apple stuff is simply too popular. Apple has always had a core group of faithful users who knew how great Apple's products were, but the word has gotten out now, and when you make quality products like Apple does, that has the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the entire business, you're only going to get more people wanting to get their hands on those products.

 

The new iMacs are crazy sexy, and people are going to wait to get theirs. Virtually nobody is going to opt for some other junk, because they have to wait for a little bit.

post #16 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by galore2112 View Post

It's just embarrassing that a company of the caliber of Apple cannot launch a product without shortages. And no, this is not a sign of overwhelming demand for magically awesome products. It's either a sign of poor planning or arrogant scarcity marketing, neither of which is flattering. They don't even have their own factories, so if it's really about production limitations, then they are just too cheap to pay Foxconn etc. to assemble more.

Assembly isn't the problem. The problem is getting the components for Foxconn to assemble.
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

Since desktops account for less than 20% of mac sales and laptops momentum is only growing, it's really easy. especially if you consider the 13r and the new mini.

Easy to have the desktop sales become so insignificant when you only bother to do a refresh after 18+ months & then don't even have stock to sell people.

No question the MacBooks massively outsell the desktop line but a lot of sales are lost due to the late refresh cycle over the entire line.

I feel for the poor Mac Pro users.
iPad, Macbook Pro, iPhone, heck I even have iLife! :-)
Reply
iPad, Macbook Pro, iPhone, heck I even have iLife! :-)
Reply
post #18 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

Since desktops account for less than 20% of mac sales and laptops momentum is only growing, it's really easy. especially if you consider the 13r and the new mini.

Easy to have the desktop sales become so insignificant when you only bother to do a refresh after 18+ months & then don't even have stock to sell people.

No question the MacBooks massively outsell the desktop line but a lot of sales are lost due to the late refresh cycle over the entire line.

I feel for the poor Mac Pro users.

No need to feel poor. I love the Mac Pro. Don't need an updated processor; the thing flies. At one point I found the HDD to be slow and noisy, so I bought a PCi SSD, couldn't be happier with the speed.

I feel poor for all the iMac whiners, wanting to upgrade components themselves. In an All-in-One PC! How stupid is that?
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
post #19 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


It doesn't seem to matter what country you choose, you can't buy an iMac online from Apple. It looks like going into an Apple Store or a 3rd party would be the only way to one if you really couldn't wait. This is pretty atypical.

In fact I don't remember anything similar before. When the aluminum Powerbooks were introduced back in the beginning of 2003, you could place your order through the Apple Store even though the waiting time was very long, weeks to start with and then more than one month for the 17" model, probably even two months, I don't remember. But you could place your order. "Store" means that you can order, no matter how long it takes to deliver. Now, what's up with this?

post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post


No need to feel poor. I love the Mac Pro. Don't need an updated processor; the thing flies. At one point I found the HDD to be slow and noisy, so I bought a PCi SSD, couldn't be happier with the speed.
I feel poor for all the iMac whiners, wanting to upgrade components themselves. In an All-in-One PC! How stupid is that?

Oh yes, if you're an existing Mac Pro owner who bought their computer back in 2010 then it's excellent value. But if you're a business that needs to buy a Mac Pro you are screwed. Either buy a machine with Shite specs for an exorbitant price or hang on......

iPad, Macbook Pro, iPhone, heck I even have iLife! :-)
Reply
iPad, Macbook Pro, iPhone, heck I even have iLife! :-)
Reply
post #21 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Either buy a machine with Shite specs for an exorbitant price or hang on......

I go with the former. Especially if my business needs a new PC. The specs aren't the latest and greatest, but all in all I think the Mac Pro in general is the best buy. It is for many the cheapest Mac as well, considering you don't replace your display when buying a new Mac. And they last really long.
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
post #22 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by galore2112 View Post

It's just embarrassing that a company of the caliber of Apple cannot launch a product without shortages.

 

It's embarrassing that you believe this expected shortage story. This is banded around with every Apple release and over everything that Apple sell, this is the one least likely to have issues.

Apple know that if they spread the rumour that there'll be shortages, people won't "leave a purchase until tomorrow" in case they don't get their one before Christmas.

I've never had any issues getting the new Apple products from my Apple store the week after they are released, Apple just like to add a bit of panic, it pleases the shareholders.

post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

My local Apple Store has plenty of 2011 iMacs in stock and on display.

 

Doubtful that the 21.5 inch model will be popular, considering the memory is not upgradable and the hard drive is crippled at 5,400 RPM.

 

Unless the memory is soldered on I'll reserve judgement until I see how easy or hard it is to get into.  If it's not upgradable then I'll either find a 2011 iMac and live without USB3 or pony up for the low end 27".

post #24 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX 
I can't wait to get my hands on a 27" iMac. It is interesting they aren't even selling the old ones in the stores.

I was surprised by that. I guess they could have a lot of returns when the new one comes out in a few weeks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX 
If the notebooks made up 80% of the 4.9 million that means there are less than million for their iMacs, Mac Pros and Mac minis (which is less than Apple TV sales). I bet the Mac mini account for most of their desktop machines sales so that leaves the iMac and Mac Pro picking up the rear.

I bet the 21.5" sells the most between the iMacs so I'm not surprised they aren't getting me my 27" iMac tomorrow.

One ownership poll suggests the numbers are roughly:

MBP 52%
MB/Air 28%
iMac 15%
Mini 3%
MP 3%

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=mac

Although, that's ownership in a gaming community and the Mini will be higher in server use, it's probably an accurate representation and I've seen a similar distribution in other polls. If you try to buy a Mini setup with display and keyboard from an Apple Store, the setup costs more than the equivalent iMac. The 21.5" iMac is the bestselling Apple desktop on Amazon.

Disabling the purchase option would be justified on the grounds of marketshare for the Mini and MP but not the iMac IMO. It's only a few weeks though so not a huge deal.
post #25 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


I wonder if they are using a 2.5" HDD in that model and are going with the slower speed for reliability for the larger capacity 2.5" drives.

That's possible. It's just that fast drives are one of the more popular upgrades in that market segment, as in those that aren't chasing the absolute fastest cpus on the market at any given time. If they were, they wouldn't be looking at the 21.5". Given the size of that enclosure, I'm not surprised, but it strikes me as one of those things where it was really designed for an ssd. They just may not have the appropriate capacities available within the margins they want to make.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin View Post


I was surprised by that. I guess they could have a lot of returns when the new one comes out in a few weeks.
One ownership poll suggests the numbers are roughly:
MBP 52%
MB/Air 28%
iMac 15%
Mini 3%
MP 3%
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=mac
Although, that's ownership in a gaming community and the Mini will be higher in server use, it's probably an accurate representation and I've seen a similar distribution in other polls. If you try to buy a Mini setup with display and keyboard from an Apple Store, the setup costs more than the equivalent iMac. The 21.5" iMac is the bestselling Apple desktop on Amazon.
Disabling the purchase option would be justified on the grounds of marketshare for the Mini and MP but not the iMac IMO. It's only a few weeks though so not a huge deal.

 

I'd expect the numbers to look a lot different in areas where gaming performance is a non issue. While the gpu is used for other things as well, the Air and imac wouldn't be that great for games. All it shows here is that people gaming on them typically went for discrete graphics options, although the 13" mbp may also be represented somewhat. The mac pro was never a good option there unless you already owned one for other purposes.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Mac Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Apple braces for significant shortage of new iMacs