Phil Schiller says Apple does with its Macs what PC makers are 'afraid' to do - Page 2

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Originally Posted by ipen 

 Uh, until you have connection problem...  Then there is nothing....

What "connection problem"? Everywhere? At the same time? Such events are rare, and certainly not enough to deter anyone from the conveniences. 

The Cloud is available virtually anywhere you can get online. 

I can access my Dropbox, for example, from home, work, on the road, etc. From any device. If it's on the web, it's always there. 

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Originally Posted by tylersdad 

Sure, why put a spinning disc in a computer when we can charge you more for an external one?

Why put a spinning disc in a computer that no one will use??

Oh, I get it... because it's all about you!!  So sorry, I didn't realize that your needs and the needs of the other 1% of folks that simply are stuck in 90's tech represent the other 99% of people that frankly will never use it!  

Why stop at ODD?  Why put COM ports, VGA ports, Centronics ports, Floppy drives, etc.  when Apple can charge more for an external one??

Just get lost whiner/troll/basement-dweller, whatever you are...

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum 

 

Got a citation for that...  I am an iOS developer and there is no difference in supporting the iPad 1, 2, 3 or 4.  In our household we have: ...

 

There's really not a lot of difference right now so long as you aren't developing GPU-intensive apps. However, look ahead to a year from now when iOS 7 is out and its adoption rate for iPad 2 and later is so high that it might as well be 100%. iPad 1 will of course be stranded on iOS 5 and we'll start seeing app support for the iPad 1 drop like a stone because it'll be such a pain to straddle three iOS versions in code. I'm nearing the release of an app and am strongly considering requiring IOS 6 now just because I don't want to commit to supporting iOS 5 for the next two or more years. Sure, I could drop iOS 5 support later but then I'd have users who are unable to upgrade to newer versions of my app and for whom any attempt to re-download it after a restore will fail. It's a shame since the issue could have been avoided if Apple had simply sacrificed $2.00 per device and 15 minutes of the 10 hour battery life to release it with a more reasonable 512MB of RAM.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Good, Phil. Good. This tells us that the new Mac Pro will probably be universally hated by its established market but also will be the best device for the future for those who still buy it.

I wonder if the new Mac Pro will be a smaller box with zero room for HHDs (so, SSD only), no optical drives, just two PCI slots (for two GPUs), a couple of Xeons, and RAM. 

People who need HHDs can buy an external box that connects with Thunderbolt. 

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Originally Posted by mrboba1 

I still have a 2009 MacBook, but I haven't inserted a CD/DVD into it since Civilization 5 first came out. 

I bought CIV V a while ago, no DVD though. I bought the deluxe version on Steam including all of the extra packs. It was a large download, but I don't see myself buying a physical copy of a game ever again. It makes no sense. I've also bought some games from the Mac App store.

All of my newer games are now stored in the cloud. They can be accessed from any machine that I have, and they will always be available to me until the day that I croak.

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Originally Posted by sflocal 

Why put a spinning disc in a computer that no one will use??

Oh, I get it... because it's all about you!!  So sorry, I didn't realize that your needs and the needs of the other 1% of folks that simply are stuck in 90's tech represent the other 99% of people that frankly will never use it!  

Why stop at ODD?  Why put COM ports, VGA ports, Centronics ports, Floppy drives, etc.  when Apple can charge more for an external one??

Just get lost whiner/troll/basement-dweller, whatever you are...

99%? Hyperbole much? Name call much?

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Originally Posted by StigsHero 

 

There's really not a lot of difference right now so long as you aren't developing GPU-intensive apps. However, look ahead to a year from now when iOS 7 is out and its adoption rate for iPad 2 and later is so high that it might as well be 100%. iPad 1 will of course be stranded on iOS 5 and we'll start seeing app support for the iPad 1 drop like a stone because it'll be such a pain to straddle three iOS versions in code. I'm nearing the release of an app and am strongly considering requiring IOS 6 now just because I don't want to commit to supporting iOS 5 for the next two or more years. Sure, I could drop iOS 5 support later but then I'd have users who are unable to upgrade to newer versions of my app and for whom any attempt to re-download it after a restore will fail. It's a shame since the issue could have been avoided if Apple had simply sacrificed $2.00 per device and 15 minutes of the 10 hour battery life to release it with a more reasonable 512MB of RAM.

This is why I go to the trash and save the app when there is an app update - so I can go back. Once it is gone, it is really gone.

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Originally Posted by pt123 

99%? Hyperbole much? Name cal much?

It may not be 99%, but he's 100% correct. The overwhelming majority does not want it or have a need for it anymore.

It is extremely selfish and egotistical for people to demand that an outdated and obsolete feature be included. If you want it, then go external. 

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Originally Posted by amoradala 

It looks like the Google/ Samsung 'iPad killer' 10" tablet has been leaked.
 

That is the most disgusting looking thing that I've seen all day today.

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Originally Posted by 1983 

Out of all Apples execs I like Phil Schiller the most. There seems to be more a warmness and passion in his presentations than the others. Tim Cook seems more rehearsed and forced when he talks, he tries to emulate Steve's style more, but is not that convincing at it.

I agree, tim needs to dial it back a little.  I think he said "incredible" about 57 times during the show.

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Originally Posted by igriv 

 

You can buy an external CD drive for $100 (from apple, probably cheaper from others).

 

You can get them for around $29, not Apple branded of course. 

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider 

Apple's feelings about netbooks of yesteryear were largely echoed this week about cheap 7-inch tablets like the Google Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire HD. This week the company unveiled the iPad mini, with a 7.9-inch display and $329 entry price.
Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook said on Thursday that he views the 7-inch tablets on the market as poor products. He said Apple would "never" make such a cheap product, but instead strives to create devices that people will love for months and years after they purchase it.
"We didn't set out to build a small, cheap tablet," Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer added. "We set out to build a smaller iPad that has the full iPad experience."

Did I miss something? The Nexus 7 uses a quad-core 1.3 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM and a 1280x800 display. The iPad Mini uses a dual-core 1.0 GHz CPU, 512 MB RAM, and a 1024x768 display. I would hardly call the competition's products as cheap.

Still at the end of the day, I would opt for a fourth-gen iPad over any of these 7" tablets. I currently have the third-gen iPad. I already have an iPhone which suffices for a small eReader on the go.

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Originally Posted by encino 

"Phil Schiller says Apple does with its Macs what PC makers are 'afraid' to do"

 

Glue the computer's memory to the board making it harder for owners to upgrade their computers themselves?

If this is a problem, consumers will answer with their wallets. So far, any limitations Apple has placed on Macs have been met with open wallets and glowing consumer satisfaction reports. 

The market consists of a lot more than the 5 feet of your personal space, encino. 

This is a conversation I've had with people time and again.  Apple pushes forward compared to MS and the pc crowd, who keep themselves locked into a tech, be it good or bad, for what seems like forever because they're afraid to piss off their customers.  Apple has no issue pissing off customers, who get mad and then just buy in and deal with the change.  I'm grateful there is a company like Apple doing this in the tech world.

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Originally Posted by amoradala 

It looks like the Google/ Samsung 'iPad killer' 10" tablet has been leaked.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/26/3559518/nexus-10-leaked-photos
If this is real - the folks at Apple will be howling with laughter at that POS !
Don't worry Samsung about all those lost orders from Apple for parts.
You'll probably sell . . .hundreds of those nexus 10" beauties

It looks like a tablet to me. If it has a 2560x1600 screen and is $300 as rumored, then I would bet they sell millions.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 


So it's fail proof?

Probably far more "fail proof" than what was in them before. 

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Originally Posted by igriv 

 

The good news is that your vision is way above average. The bad news is that it is not going to stay that way if you read books on your iPhone.

 

I wear glasses and have worn them for the past 20 years, actually. I would hardly call my vision above average.

I said "on the go" pertaining to using my iPhone as an eReader. I use my iPad for reading while at home or work.

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Originally Posted by Negafox 

Did I miss something? The Nexus 7 uses a quad-core 1.3 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM and a 1280x800 display. The iPad Mini uses a dual-core 1.0 GHz CPU, 512 MB RAM, and a 1024x768 display. I would hardly call the competition's products as cheap.

 

It's cheap, because of the inferior build quality and materials.

You are also getting fooled by some of the paper specs, which is a common mistake that some people are guilty of.

The iPad Mini has a superior display to both the Nexus 7 and the Kindle Fire.

Apple can make up some points by simply having higher image quality and more accurate colors, which is an area of concern with the Nexus 7 and Kindle. Both tend to look a little washed out, and the Nexus 7 suffers from some image ghosting.

Also, a 4:3 display is superior to a 16:9 display on a tablet for most uses. That is another win for the iPad Mini. 16:9 tablets in portrait are a joke. Also, Android requires higher resources to run, because of it's inferior OS. 

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Originally Posted by encino 

"Phil Schiller says Apple does with its Macs what PC makers are 'afraid' to do"

 

Glue the computer's memory to the board making it harder for owners to upgrade their computers themselves?

And once again, why should Apple support the very, very small percentage of people that crack open their machines to upgrade them when most will NEVER do that?  Please enlighten us folks that are not gifted with your wise wisdom.

Note for you:  No matter what you say to support your belief, you already lost this discussion.

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Originally Posted by Blastdoor 

 

I wonder if the new Mac Pro will be a smaller box with zero room for HHDs (so, SSD only), no optical drives, just two PCI slots (for two GPUs), a couple of Xeons, and RAM. 

 

People who need HHDs can buy an external box that connects with Thunderbolt. 

I don't think Apple will be "too afraid" to do something like that. I'm picturing a tall Mac mini style box.

As much as some people may disagree, Phil is right.  Other companies are afraid to drop legacy devices.

Apple doesn't care about the 10% that might use a feature.  They design for the 90%.

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

It may not be 99%, but he's 100% correct. The overwhelming majority does not want it or have a need for it anymore.

 

It is extremely selfish and egotistical for people to demand that an outdated and obsolete feature be included. If you want it, then go external. 

Wow, 99%, 100%, selfish, egotistical, outdated and obsolete - I can't argue with that.

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Originally Posted by jonshf 

I don't think Apple will be "too afraid" to do something like that. I'm picturing a tall Mac mini style box.

One more thing, Steve (he opens it up at 4:40, pure classic Apple magic):

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Originally Posted by LMGS 

Nothing beats a Blu-ray for video and audio quality.. There are Mac compatible Blu-ray drives out there, and I do know some Mac users who rip them to MKV to stream to their TVs... Nothing on iTunes comes close to the quality of Blu-ray, and as much as Apple wants to ween people from discs, to iTunes, that is never going to happen... Normal people can't afford the bandwidth to stream high quality video, even if it was available.. I'm not against progress, but dropping optical drives, at this point isn't progress.. Dropping the floppy on the first iMac, was OK, because it had a CD drive, that was the future.. The only future with an iMac with no optical drive, is a trip to the store to buy an external optical drive...

Stay strong, bro. Resist progress. Fight the future. Someday, 2007 might come back into style.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/mkkh6o/no-place-like-the-video-store

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Originally Posted by LMGS 

Normal people can't afford the bandwidth to stream high quality video, even if it was available..

For most normal people, something like Netflix HD is good enough quality, and net streaming is always improving in quality.

Maybe some people only choose to watch physical Blu-Ray discs, but that's not "normal", as that is a small niche market.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton 

 

Stay strong, bro. Resist progress. Fight the future. Someday, 2007 might come back into style.

I still have 10-15 old VHS cassettes in a drawer somewhere, and I'll be damned if that new iMac doesn't include a slot for my VHS cassette. Apple is really losing it's touch. Steve Jobs would never have done this. No wonder AAPL is down $100 from it's high.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 


There's tons of free porn online you know lol

Free porn is for Fandroids and teenage virgins, IMO.

I have high porn standards, and if I'm first going to watch something, it'll be 1920x1080, and I don't mind paying around $30 to sign up to a site for a month that gives me super high downloads speeds and a good selection.

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Originally Posted by newbee 

Why force everyone to buy an internal disc, whether they want one or not .......  when you can easily give 100% of the consumers the choice .... with an external one. So just wtf are you complaining about?

Especially since Apple practically "gives away" the internal HD.

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Originally Posted by dasanman69 

Apple with their much smaller market share in the desktop realm has the luxury of making bold decisions. There's no one making Apple compatible computers but if Dell leaves out something consumers aren't ready to go without out then they'll buy a HP instead.

Jeez Louise, you almost made me shoot coffee out of my nose, haha. .... if you're not in advertising or politics, you should be. That's the best "spin" for "failure to perform" that I've ever seen. Congrats! (btw ... the Apple iMac is the #1 selling desktop computer out there)