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After Windows 8 debuted on Thursday, Microsoft's Steven Sinofsky offered his view of the computing landscape, and said PCs represent a great value when compared to "recreational tablets," alluding to Apple's new iPad mini.

Sinofsky told AllThingsD that Microsoft has been able to work with its hardware partners to drive down prices to a point where students can get a computer good enough to last them through college.

?These are fantastic machines,? Sinfosky said of one of many reasonably-priced Windows 8 laptops shown at Microsoft's event. ?It?s $279. Here we are, talking about seven-inch recreational tablets for $329.?

Although not mentioned by name, the Windows chief was referring to Apple's iPad mini, which went up for preorder on Friday. The mid-size tablet's pricing was cited as a possible hurdle for Apple, however preorders for all white and silver models sold out after being available for less than one hour.

As for how Microsoft manages to offer laptops at below-tablet prices, Sinofsky said, ?It?s not just discounting. It?s engineering work that drives the cost down."

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Microsoft President of Windows and Windows Live Steven Sinofsky at the Windows 8 event on Thursday. | Source: Microsoft


The new Windows OS is seen as a significant release for Microsoft, as it takes the operating system into uncharted waters, attempting to bridge the gap between tablets and PCs. Sinofsky admitted that even Windows 8 can't be everything to all people, as evidenced by the Surface RT which runs a stripped down version of the operating system that isn't backwards compatible with older Windows software.

?It really is a PC for everyone,? he said. ?Is it for everyone all the time? No.?

Microsoft will launch the more full-featured Surface Pro, which runs a complete version of Windows 8, in a few months, though pricing is thought to start at $799.

Sinofsky took time to defend the tablet after the device garnered some negative comments from Apple CEO Tim Cook, who said it was "compromised" and "confusing."

The Microsoft executive countered, saying that while the iPad may be well-suited for a short getaway, Microsoft's Surface can "suffice" on longer business trips. He failed to explain how the Surface RT's price tag of $499, which jumps to $599 with an optional touch cover keyboard, is justified in light of his earlier statements about reasonable Windows 8 machines.
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Sinofsky = Balmer2.0 minus 200 lbs.
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7 inches? He must be referring to a Kindle or Nexus.

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yeah, RIM tried that tactic when they promoted their "Playbook", calling the iPad a toy compared to theirs. 

 

...

 

Didn't work out too well for them either.

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Tell that to all the companies that use iPads exclusively for business.  That includes mine.  Just about every executive has an iPad hooked up to Exchange and creating documents etc.

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Right iPad Mini is 'recreational.' Because there's so much more productivity software available on Windows 8 RT Surface. lol.gif

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That 'recreational tablet', Steve, is the smaller, less expensive version of the one that forced you to revamp your entire desktop operating system, not to mention create the device in your own hands.

Don't think you can pull the wool over our eyes at how seriously you take it...
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no doubt it is a recreational tablet... it is a toy basically - it goes from MAC to PC to every other trash mobile OS

 

Talent usually decreases as you go down the line... why do you think most of the Apps are games.

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It's like the political landscape. Everyone calling each other names. Buy what you want. We want people to be respectful of their creations and those of others. So tired of people lobbing bombs at each other. Sheesh.....
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A lot of people are apparently dummies who lack basic math skills. 7.9 = 7? 

 

Apple doesn't make any 7" tablets, they must be referring to all of the crappy Android tablets out there.

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Tell that to all the companies that use iPads exclusively for business.  That includes mine.  Just about every executive has an iPad hooked up to Exchange and creating documents etc.

 

Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

 

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.

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I see, Windows RT = PC, iPad = recreational tablet. Is this due to it being Windows or having a version of Office or something else?

 

It would seem to me these are all PCs in the strictest term, all of them being personal computing devices. If they want to break them down in to different categories such as laptops, desktops, tablets, that's fine, but they're all still personal computers. One could even claim that smartphones are the most personal of all the computing devices out there. The only way it could get more personal if it's embedded into someone (don't worry, it's coming!).
 

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Anyone who says they got an iPad or a Surface, or a Nexus purely for productive purposes is insane... or lying.

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%u201CIt%u2019s not just discounting. It%u2019s engineering work that drives the cost down."

Code for "We look for the cheapest possible parts that we can find so that you can buy a laptop for a very low price...every 3 months."
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Sinofsky has been well and truly suckered into this response. What a dumbass thing to say, of course a mini is a recreational device it's not trying to be anything else Apple has serious laptops for serious use.

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Windows 8 is a recreational OS. Frankly, the Metro-inspired setup hinders productivity. I use two programs in Windows, I dumped that Windows 8 shit for Windows 7, in Parallels of course.

If it weren't for iPad, Windows 8 would be something very different.
Edited by JeffDM - 10/26/12 at 3:17pm
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Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

 

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.

 

Did Apple rape your dog or something? So much hate. It's a FACT that iOS has gotten deep penetration in the corporate world, and is now the leader, where once it was RIM. Your opinion of it is irrelevant. Businesses have deployed and use iOS, along withtheir own custom apps, and no doubt saw benefit in doing so, through cost, efficiency, simplicity, etc- otherwise they wouldnt have made the jump. These decisions don't happen easily. The fact that you're butthurt that Apple hasn't updated the Mac Pro or something doesnt make all companies who have deployed iOS (90% of Fortune 500 companies) idiots. What a childish sentiment. Oh wait, you're the guy that just obsessively bitches about no matte screens for the iMac and therefore despises everything else about Apple. Continue on your useless, irrelevant crusade. 


Edited by Slurpy - 10/26/12 at 3:24pm
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Its nice to see the execs of both microsoft and apple playing the "trash the other companies products" chess match.

 

Test your might,

Compromised, Recreational

 

MORTAL COMBAT!

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Did Apple rape your dog or something? So much hate. It's a FACT that iOS has gotten deep penetration in the corporate world, and is now the leader, where once it was RIM. Your opinion of it is irrelevant. Businesses have deployed and use iOS, along withtheir own custom apps, and no doubt saw benefit in doing so, through cost, efficiency, simplicity, etc- otherwise they wouldnt have made the jump. These decisions don't happen easily. The fact that you're butthurt that Apple hasn't updated the Mac Pro or something doesnt make all companies who have deployed iOS (90% of Fortune 500 companies) idiots. What a childish sentiment. 

 

I know in my company *20billion not fortune500*, its start going from blackberry to iphone, but now they have stopped iphone implementation due to cost, and are going to a variety of android handsets.

 

No mac's of course, as we have EDS, an HP  company, supplying us Dells

 

:V

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Sinofsky = Balmer2.0 minus 200 lbs.

 

And he looks like Dr. Evil. Maybe these new MS tablets should attached to sharks with laser beams.

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In Parallels of course.

LOL!

Of course!
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And he looks like Dr. Evil. Maybe these new MS tablets should attached to sharks with laser beams.

Dr Evil?

Or Mini-Me? ;-)
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Windows 8 is a recreational OS. Frankly, the Metro-inspired setup hinders productivity. I use two programs in Windows, I dumped that Windows 8 shit for Windows 7, in Parallels of course.
If it weren't for iPad, Windows 8 would be something very different.

I'm shocked, you use Windows and not Mac OS X?

 

edit - ok, I see, you only use two programs in Windows. 

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Apple should release a lighter (400 to 600 g) and smaller Mac (pocketable) with whatever form factor. Great for Keynote and PowerPoint presentations created on Mac.

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And is Microsoft implying that Windows 8 is targeted towards business users? Because the clown like, fisher price tiles looks like it's made for toddlers.

 

I don't see many businesses upgrading to Windows 8. Businesses that already use Windows will just stick with XP or 7. And Windows users are not exactly on the cutting edge, Touch Screens is a concept that is foreign to most of them.

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If it weren't for iPad, Windows 8 would be something very different.

 

Yeah, it would be Windows 7 Service Pack 2.

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Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!

 

 

 

 

Honestly, there were at least 3 sales clerks for every Lookie Lou... Another bomb from Redmond!

 

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I see, Windows RT = PC, iPad = recreational tablet. Is this due to it being Windows or having a version of Office or something else?

 

 

It's the NEON PINK AND CYAN keyboard cover. It just SCREAMS productivity.

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It's the NEON PINK AND CYAN keyboard cover. It just SCREAMS productivity.

You are forgetting about the huge, untapped market of colorblind businessmen.

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Hey Ballmer, I've got news for you. Go ask Korean Telecom, GE, CIsco, IBM, AIrForce, several hospitals, several airlines, big school districts, large universities, large retail chains, professionals in various industries, several banks, etc. why they are buying iPads by the tens of thousands and they AREN'T buying Windows tablets.

And isn't Ballmer the same person that was putting down the iPhone and iPod when they came out? We all know where WIndows devices are. Non-existent.
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PCs represent a great value when compared to "recreational tablets," alluding to Apple's new iPad mini.

Steven Sinofsky
Microsoft President of Windows and Windows Live Steven Sinofsky at the Windows 8 event on Thursday. | Source: Microsoft

 

The iPad mini: It just works.

 

The Surface: It just locks up.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw

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LOL!
Of course!

Yeah, it's kind of sad, but I do like having two systems on my computer. It was surreal for a while though.

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I'm shocked, you use Windows and not Mac OS X?

edit - ok, I see, you only use two programs in Windows. 

My home computer(s) have been Mac since the original mini. My work desktop was Windows because of a few key programs. There are four Windows programs I still need to use, now that I think of it. I think that number will diminish over time.
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And isn't Ballmer the same person that was putting down the iPhone and iPod when they came out? We all know where WIndows devices are. Non-existent.

 

Don't forget that Microsoft even held an actual funeral for the iPhone!

 

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• Battery life that wont make through an 8 hour work cycle

 

• Slowwwwwww Processor

 

• A keyboard that doubles as a handi-wipe

 

• Useful Apps that hasn't materialized yet

 

• An operating system needs major service packs

 

What a bunch of ****.

 

 


Edited by bobborries - 10/26/12 at 3:48pm
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Anyone who says they got an iPad or a Surface, or a Nexus purely for productive purposes is insane... or lying.

Anyone that says they 'got' any modern computer, desktop, notebook or whatever PURELY for productive purposes is also either of the above. Even if you just read the news

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The iPad mini: It just works.

 

The Surface: It just locks up.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw

 

The gif version 

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The fact that you're butthurt that Apple hasn't updated the Mac Pro or something doesnt make all companies who have deployed iOS (90% of Fortune 500 companies) idiots. What a childish sentiment. Oh wait, you're the guy that just obsessively bitches about no matte screens for the iMac and therefore despises everything else about Apple. Continue on your useless, irrelevant crusade. 

Be nice! He is also busy rejecting proposals based on the font used.

He clearly has no clue....
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Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

 

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.


Remind me not to work for you either. Everything of value, indeed...

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Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

 

http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/7-high-school-girls-are-kickstarting-their-awa...

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Windows 8 is a recreational OS. Frankly, the Metro-inspired setup hinders productivity. I use two programs in Windows, I dumped that Windows 8 shit for Windows 7, in Parallels of course.
If it weren't for iPad, Windows 8 would be something very different.

 

I find it interesting that everyone was complaining that on the iPad you have to leave the app and go to the home screen to switch apps. Now, in Windows 8 (All versions) you have to switch to the FULL screen Start screen to start another app. No one is complaining.

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He's pitching the Surface for executive tablets? Jeez. Like that's a big enough market for them. I think a lot of executives would rather use a MacBookAIr instead. They want a real keyboard with some real I/O and a real keyboard.
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