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Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.

Wow, you sound like a first rate a-hole.

J.
post #122 of 193

The whole "recreational" tablet, and the "media" tablet appellation before that is Microsoft's way of trying to create a separate product category for their tablets. If they can avoid having their "tablet" offerings compared to Apple's, by attaching a different label to them, they can be the leader in "productivity" tablets, even if that's a pyrrhic victory.

 

But, I have to agree with an earlier comment that these are designed to be the new netbooks, and, as such, they'll be even worse than a netbook for "productivity". As a tablet, they won't be much for "recreation", either.

 

When you are designing devices, you always have to choose between compromise and dedication to purpose. A 27" iMac represents dedication to productivity. The iPhone represents a dedication to portability. The design of each, from the hardware to the OS and apps, represents these commitments. MacBooks are a compromise device skewed toward productivity. iPads are compromise devices skewed toward portability, with the Mini even more so. Apple has a clear vision of what each of these devices is and their designs reflect that, each fulfilling its purpose admirably.

 

Microsoft suffers from two problems. The first is their obsession with the "Windows everywhere" philosophy, which, first, made them design their mobile software as a scaled down version of Windows 95, then, to design their desktop software as a scaled up version of Windows Phone. The latter decision seems as big a mistake as the former. Their second problem, related to the first, is a lack of understanding of the idea of designing to purpose. Thus, they repeat the same mistakes over and over, trying to make all devices be the same, and ignoring the principle that different devices have different purposes. Their mistake with the Surface is not committing to what the device ought to be but attempting to impose a paradigm on it that doesn't fit its nature.

 

In other words, it's just another compromise device from Microsoft where they've made all the wrong compromises.

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Yeah, it's kind of sad, but I do like having two systems on my computer. It was surreal for a while though.
My home computer(s) have been Mac since the original mini. My work desktop was Windows because of a few key programs. There are four Windows programs I still need to use, now that I think of it. I think that number will diminish over time.

I got it to zero in a very short time and very happy to bring the windows boxes to the dump.
Even got Mac minis at work now.

J.
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Sinofski will be gone by June 2013!
Bad, bad job!

 

 

I get the feeling that at one point there was a massive feud between Ballmer and Sinofsky, and the latter just gave in with probably with a wave of the hand and an "I don't give a shit anymore."

post #125 of 193

I have to give Microsoft some credit for at least coming up with a design that most reviewers are showing has lots of potential and maybe even some features both Apple and Google could learn from.  But comments like calling the iPad a "recreational" tablet is rich coming from a company that is nearly six years late on the modern mobile movement.  I think it's fair to say that Apple wasn't looking at the enterprise market closely when the iPad was first introduced.  But Enterprise users had other plans for it.  And even now Apple recognizes it with it's "Ipads in Business" tab on their web site.

 

My company had its huge computer show a few weeks ago in San Francisco (you can guess which one it was).  All of our customers are looking to mobile as the next wave of enterprise computing.  Everyone is using and developing for iOS first and Android second.  Windows 8 wasn't even being discussed by anyone.  We'll see if that changes next year.  But right now, I think most corporate IT is happy that they finally transitioned to Windows 7 after far too long on Windows XP.  No one is really interested in pushing to the next Windows just yet and if previous patterns persist, I don't think anyone is going to seriously deploy Windows 8 in enterprise for at least a year.

 

That means that Windows 8 really has to make inroads with the RT version in the tablet space in order to get visibility quickly.  One thing for sure...neither Apple or Google are standing still.  Should be fun to watch.

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The Microsoft executive countered, saying that while the iPad may be well-suited for a short getaway, Microsoft's Surface can "suffice" on longer business trips. He failed to explain how the Surface RT's price tag of $499, which jumps to $599 with an optional touch cover keyboard, is justified in light of his earlier statements about reasonable Windows 8 machines.
What can you do on this $499 Surface RT? Can you do it on the iPad, Mini or otherwise

Check email? Yes
Go on the web? Yes
Type a letter? Yes
Create a spreadsheet? Yes
Prepare and run a 'PowerPoint'? Yes
Use an external keyboard? Yes
Video chat? Yes
VoIP? Yes (I assume there's such software for RT)

Can the RT read books, view videos, connect to cell data.

Can I use it as an on site camera monitor to verify shots when I'm ot in video village. Can I take a photo and annotate it in a 'journal' or such to log what costumes, hairstyles etc we used in the shot. Can my script supervisor use the RT to take notes for the shot log. Csnmy cinematographer. These are part of my business and I can do them on the iPad, have since the iPad 2 and we are getting Minis for those that are literally running around the set because although the full size iPad worked, we want to give folks the option cause the mini should be an easier fit in our tool bags.

That I can then also run Netflix etc is just a bonus. Although its also sometimes work since I'll watch older work to research a directors style if he's someone we haven't worked with before

So can I do that on the RT?

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post #127 of 193
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Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

 

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.

 

I'll bet that at least 70% of those folks were sending you 'mickey mouse' presentations before the tablet was an issue, because they are just stupid in such regards. In fact they are probably the reason why that manual exists, the manual they still aren't following.

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post #128 of 193
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Originally Posted by Santoanderson View Post

Anyone who says they got an iPad or a Surface, or a Nexus purely for productive purposes is insane... or lying.

 

Neither. The issue is that you, like Microsoft, are too narrow in your definition of 'productive'. Not all businesses are spending 8 hours a day writing TPS reports and debating which cover to use. 

 

Some of us are doing things like sinking Tony Stark's mansion into the Pacific Ocean. Very productive, very different needs. And yes we have been serving such needs for the last year on iPads and yes they were bought by our company just for said needs. Almost all of us have our own devices for personal use but we don't mix the two due to company rules

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post #129 of 193
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And is Microsoft implying that Windows 8 is targeted towards business users? Because the clown like, fisher price tiles looks like it's made for toddlers.

 

I don't see many businesses upgrading to Windows 8. Businesses that already use Windows will just stick with XP or 7. And Windows users are not exactly on the cutting edge, Touch Screens is a concept that is foreign to most of them.

 

Microsoft is targeting Windows 8 towards business users. The catch is that this isn't Windows 8, this is more like Windows 8 lite but they aren't mentioning that. They are 'mixing metaphors' shall we say. Much like some folks are claiming about Apple's UK statement where they say that they 'won' in Germany but apparently that is just the prelim and not the final judgment. 

 

Hopefully businesses have done their research and realize they have to watch several more months for the more expensive hardware and software that will really be for them. Otherwise Microsoft will likely be hoist on their petard when folks get the RT, deem it crap and possibly go to the iPad in the meantime since it is out now, and the full Surface is date TBA. 

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post #130 of 193
Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

Some of us are doing things like sinking Tony Stark's mansion into the Pacific Ocean.

 

Wait, you're working on Iron Man 3?

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post #131 of 193
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

 

Let's hope it has that ribbon interface. Then Surface RT's failure will be complete.

 

LOL. That ribbon is the singularly WORST paradigm I've ever dealt with. It makes you want to memorize all the key commands and go back to Word Perfect. I still remember how to print; Shift F7, F7, 1.  I can just imagine someone trying to press that "more" triangle on the text settings to get to what they really wanted.

post #132 of 193

why is the 9.7 inch iPad called a 10" tablet while the 7.9" iPad is called a 7" tablet?

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The problem with MS 'we make things for work rhetoric' is most of the market, certainly the consumer market use their computers for recreation.

Step down from the tech Ivory Tower and you have ordinary folks, they probably work with PCs but in a none-tech business and in the past when it came to having a machine at home for emailing and web surfing pretty much the only choice was the same PC they have at work...

...and guess what, they resent it, it breaks down, gets viruses, the cheap components fail and the crap boxes look bad in the home and there's no IT dude to come and fix it or replace it like in the office.

Well now there's choices, Android, Apple and Amazon and guess what they're not focussing on creating machines for work - they're making machines for entertaining, socialising, communicating, and shopping.

Who wants to work at home?
post #134 of 193

Is there anything like Filemaker Pro + Filemaker Go for Windows RT tablets, and will there be anytime soon? Office RT does not include Access, and I suspect it may never will (huge legacy code mess?)

Filemaker Pro 12 may not scale as well as SQL based solutions which don't really exist on RT yet either, it is still very powerful and offers an interface and scripting language that rivals Hypercard in terms of being "easy to use". And with the advent of Filemaker Go on the iPad (and iPhone), powerful custom database/applications can be easily deployed to iPads and iPhone in businesses. Filemaker is easy to use but is not a dumbed down database solution (that title would go to Bento, also from Filemaker Inc.).

 

You cannot design databases directly on the iPad with FM Go, you have to do that on a Mac or Windows in "Desktop mode" meaning it won't run on RT either. I highly doubt that Filemaker Inc. (owned by Apple) will ever release something for the Metro/RT platform, so the Surface will end up having nothing comparable for the near future.

 

post #135 of 193
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Anyone who says they got an iPad or a Surface, or a Nexus purely for productive purposes is insane... or lying.

I find it to be highly productive, which is why I bought one. Am I insane? No. There are many apps that are not even available for the Mac that are available for the iPad, that help me excel in my job. The apps that are available for both Mac and iPad, are great so I can work on them in the field on my iPad and then sync them up with the Mac app where I could continue to work on them from there. 

post #136 of 193

Here's what's funny.  Ballmer makes a dumb statement for the media to hype.  I just saw a video for Windows 8 and in the video they are showing apps that are basically some of the same apps that have already been on the iPad for years.  Fruit NInja?  That's a game, yet it was on Windows 8 ad.  Hmmmmm.....

 

Now, the iPad mini is probably a great size for restaurants.  If I was a water at a restaurant, that's basically the same size as those things they put your bill inside. I would rather carry around an iPad mini to take orders, and bill the customer.  I can also see the iPad as a system to put in taxi cabs and and retail stores, since it is small, thin, and lightweight.

 

I can also see it being used in a lot of business related tasks.  It may not have all of the best specs, but I think Apple wanted to keep the thickness and weight down as well as good battery life and processor speed wasn't the biggest problem since it's a fast enough processor for iOS.

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I have to give Microsoft some credit for at least coming up with a design that most reviewers are showing has lots of potential and maybe even some features both Apple and Google could learn from.  But comments like calling the iPad a "recreational" tablet is rich coming from a company that is nearly six years late on the modern mobile movement.  I think it's fair to say that Apple wasn't looking at the enterprise market closely when the iPad was first introduced.  But Enterprise users had other plans for it.  And even now Apple recognizes it with it's "Ipads in Business" tab on their web site.

 

My company had its huge computer show a few weeks ago in San Francisco (you can guess which one it was).  All of our customers are looking to mobile as the next wave of enterprise computing.  Everyone is using and developing for iOS first and Android second.  Windows 8 wasn't even being discussed by anyone.  We'll see if that changes next year.  But right now, I think most corporate IT is happy that they finally transitioned to Windows 7 after far too long on Windows XP.  No one is really interested in pushing to the next Windows just yet and if previous patterns persist, I don't think anyone is going to seriously deploy Windows 8 in enterprise for at least a year.

 

That means that Windows 8 really has to make inroads with the RT version in the tablet space in order to get visibility quickly.  One thing for sure...neither Apple or Google are standing still.  Should be fun to watch.

What feature do you think the RT tablet has that is worth checking out?  a kickstand?  a keyboard cover? Trivial.  I think the only thing Apple should be doing differently is continually accelerate  the processors they put inside these things and use PVD coating instead of anodizing aluminum.   Other than that.  Not much else they need to do differently.

post #138 of 193
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why is the 9.7 inch iPad called a 10" tablet while the 7.9" iPad is called a 7" tablet?

 

The 9.7" iPad is called an iPad and the 7.9" iPad is called iPad mini. Neither are called "tablets" or "slates" or any of those names.

post #139 of 193

I find it amusing that the company that made a tablet to match wide-screen TV ratio, thinks the iPad is an "recreational device."

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post #140 of 193

Does it really matter what the executives say about rival products? Especially if they appear uninformed about what they are talking about. Cook called the surface compromised and confusing. Does it really matter he says? To me, it would matter more how the product helps its users, consumer and enterprise, do the things they want them to do. The iPad has proven itself to be a very helpful device on both fronts and that is the reason why it has been successful. If users find the surface adequate to their needs, it will do well. If it doesn't, then it won't and will be another embarrassment for MSFT.

 

The reviews of the Surface would seem to indicate it has a way to go, not as much on the hardware end which people seem to like, but on the software end. This might be able to be fixed unless the compromises that MSFT made in coming up with Windows8  make that very difficult. It will be interesting to see how this all goes and what the sales figures are for the Surface and when and what MSFT chooses to disclose. If MSFT talks about product shipped, that is a bad sign. If it talks about product sold, that would be better. What number would MSFT have to have sold in order to be impressive to people over the first weekend/week? If they sold over a half million, I would be impressed with that number. 250K might be an OK number but less than that would probably not be a good sign. Since there are not many MSFT stores out there and the lines would not seem to indicate a sustained demand for the product, it will come down to the product bought online. Anyone know any UPS/FedEx drivers and if they are as busy with Surface tablets as they are when a new iPhone ships?

post #141 of 193

The Surface is the netbook of tablets. 

 

MS zuned their one and really only chance in next-gen mobile computing. 

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why is the 9.7 inch iPad called a 10" tablet while the 7.9" iPad is called a 7" tablet?
Because calling the mini a 7" tablet fits the meme the media is pushing (i.e Apple released the mini to compete with competitor's 7" tablets). But if the point was to compete with Kindle Fire and Nexus 7, apple would have released a cheaper product (probably plastic) and it would have been 7". What they did though was released a more affordable iPad for those people that want to experience iPad. Everything you can do on the iPad you can do on the iPad mini. Sure it's not the same spec wise, but feature wise it is.

That's why when announcing the mini I wish Apple would've ignore the competition and just marketed it this way. Make it clear that this is not a defensive move to counter Fire and Nexus. Of course the price point of $329 should make that quite clear. But many in the media still don't get it, and probably never will be those Apple operates.

I was hoping they'd be ablet to get down to $299 staring price considering the innards aren't the latest and greatest. But Apple says this product will have significantly lower margins than their other products so the $329 price tag wasn't to maintain high margins. Still I think it's a compelling product because it does everything the iPad does; has all the same features - LTE, FaceTime, Siri, runs all the same apps, etc, yet is thinner and lighter. And has a really elegant design which probably will find its way on the iPad next year.
post #143 of 193
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I'll bet that at least 70% of those folks were sending you 'mickey mouse' presentations before the tablet was an issue, because they are just stupid in such regards. In fact they are probably the reason why that manual exists, the manual they still aren't following.

 

Hey Comic sans is cool, right?

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post #144 of 193

Apparently Bing is fairly deeply integrated.

 

Watch for Google to go whining to the authorities as usual, rather than dropping the FRAND based lawsuits they are conducting against Microsoft via their $12.5 Billion, stone around the neck subsidiary, Motorola.

 

The EU will probably step in to force changes.

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post #145 of 193
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Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

 

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.

That's just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.    It doesn't matter whether you're using a phone app, a Pad app or a computer app.   It doesn't matter what OS you're using or what brand of hardware you're using.    Good design and poor design can result regardless.    Just because I'm using OS X or Windows doesn't mean I'm going to design any better than if I'm using a Pad.    When people use too many fonts in a design or when the design is poor, I call the results "ransom notes".       There's no reason why someone using a tablet would be any worse at design than someone using a PC.   

 

Maybe you should worry more about improper spelling and grammar.       

 

Now if you want to talk about efficiency working on a PC/Mac vs. Table or Pad, that's another story.    It's far more efficient using a real keyboard and mouse than using a virtual keyboard.   

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Apple didn't actually talk their product down.  Tim was ask his opinion during their earnings call and he just quoted a couple of reviewers. So technically, those weren't his words.

Yes I know this. But when you quote reviews they become your words too. He was talking the product down by quoting the reviews. In my view he should have taken the high road and just refused to comment. Waving it away with a laugh would have been more statesman like, more dignified, and more fitting for the head of such a successful company.

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post #147 of 193
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Anyone who says they got an iPad or a Surface, or a Nexus purely for productive purposes is insane... or lying.

Talking about me? Okay, just before turning out the lights, I might spend some time doing a crossword puzzle. The rest of the time, when on the iPad, it's business not play. Yes, some of my books read on the iPad are for casual reading, like the tell-all book by Rielle Hunter, John Edwards ex-mistress; written well, but gets one star from the morally outraged, so it must be good, or the original screen play to "Groundhog Day", just for fun. 

 

So, for many of us, fun and being productive is not different -- it's most often both; there is joy in the struggle. Try it sometime.

post #148 of 193
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

 

I know in my company *20billion not fortune500*, its start going from blackberry to iphone, but now they have stopped iphone implementation due to cost, and are going to a variety of android handsets.

 

No mac's of course, as we have EDS, an HP  company, supplying us Dells

 

:V


Obviously your company has nothing of value on their android handsets.    If they have, google's spyware OS will have a field day!

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The Surface is the netbook of tablets. 

MS zuned their one and really only chance in next-gen mobile computing. 

Linguists take note!

"Zune" used as a verb!
post #150 of 193
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

I find it amusing that the company that made a tablet to match wide-screen TV ratio, thinks the iPad is an "recreational device."

 

 

16:9 is worse for just about anything except watching video. It is also ridiculous for a tablet meant to be used in Portrait mode. Surface is pretty much a landscape tablet.

 

Really Surface is barely a tablet at all, it is more a netbook with a crappy removable keyboard.

post #151 of 193

For those who are interested, officially MS Office for RT (a 'Home and School' version) will be the same as the real MS Office 2013; except for some minor differences:

1. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57513129-75/microsoft-plans-to-deliver-office-2013-rt-starting-in-november/

 

… and apparently it will include the much-beloved ribbon:

2. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/home-and-student/office-home-student-rt-preview-FX103210361.aspx

 

… and the Surface is easy to learn and almost intuitive, and runs everything you might want:

3.  http://www.zdnet.com/three-days-in-the-life-of-a-once-and-former-microsoft-surface-rt-user-7000006421/

 

Cheers

post #152 of 193
M$ can call the iPad a recreational tablet. That's what 90% of the market needs and is fine for most. Eventually, the only people running PCs with windows will be offices (maybe) and researchers. In other words, tablets for mainstream computing and PCs for "work".

There's more money in the former.
post #153 of 193
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The problem with MS 'we make things for work rhetoric' is most of the market, certainly the consumer market use their computers for recreation.

MS is currently alluding to the fact that Office is going to be available for Surface--and will perhaps never be available for iOS--and businesses tend to justify purchases based on business utility--such as the ability to run Office--not on whether a device can for example access iTunes. The impact of Office will not be known until Office is actually available--which is why the 'make things for work' argument hasn't really caught on yet--but it does stand a good chance of being highly significant for Surface.

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Yeah, probably by the same idiot Executive we run into that do not understan the concept of a corporate Implementation manuel - and corporate fonts. 

 

half my day is spent now rejecting presentations made on mickey mouse tablet apps with random font selection - we at least get a decent laugh when we open them.

 

everything of value is still produced on a real OS - either OSX or Windows.

That bad eh?  They seem to just fine at our place.  When I say "exclusively" they have Apple laptops that they leave at their desks and carry their iPads to meetings.  So they most likely create the content on their laptops and display them on their iPads.

post #155 of 193
The iPad for recreation, great that's what I got it for.
No way I want to be tied down to a desk and a KB Windows computer, when I'm on my own time.
post #156 of 193
The iPad for recreation, great that's what I got it for.
No way I want to be tied down to a desk and a KB Windows computer, when I'm on my own time.
post #157 of 193

That's what we got our iPad for,   our own personal recreational use.

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Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!





Honestly, there were at least 3 sales clerks for every Lookie Lou... Another bomb from Redmond!


Hilarious. I remember seeing some banner ads around the net where Microsloths were trying to get people to come wait in line to win prizes. Maybe they should have given away some iPads and iPhones, then there would have been a line.
post #159 of 193
Anyone who trusts MS executives to know anything about technology is just plain dumb. This is a company who's CEO not only failed to understand the iphone but predicted it's failure ... the iphone in 6 years generates more revenue than the ENTIRE Microsoft company ... think about that - a CEO not only fails to see the competition but misses ONE BUSINESS UNIT that is now larger than YOUR ENTIRE COMPANY! So, there is zero credibility. Now scroll forward 3 later and Apple creates another another division that sells 100 MILLION units of something about an average price of $600 ... while MS puts their weight behind a tiles based OS that has failed on two tries already (KIn & Win 7 phones) ... they think running MS Office is a selling point ... it's not. It's EXACTLY like people said they wanted Flash on a tablet but 100 million ipad sales and 5 million android tablet sales, clearly, not an issue ...
post #160 of 193
The Verge has come out with their surface review. They gave it a 7. From the review:

"Maybe I say this too often, but I wanted to love this device. Actually, I wanted to love the Surface when I first saw it, before I even got my hands on the review unit. It made Windows 8 make sense in a way other products had not, and I could see a world where this kind of device was the only one I carried with me. Once I did get the review unit, I wanted to love it even more. And truth be told, there is a lot here to love. Plenty — but not enough for me right now.

The promise of the Surface was that it could deliver a best-in-class tablet experience, but then transform into the PC you needed when heavier lifting was required. Instead of putting down my tablet and picking up my laptop, I would just snap on my keyboard and get my work done. But that's not what the Surface offers, at least not in my experience. It does the job of a tablet and the job of a laptop half as well as other devices on the market, and it often makes that job harder, not easier. Instead of being a no-compromise device, it often feels like a more-compromise one.

There may be a time in the future when all the bugs have been fixed, the third-party app support has arrived, and some very smart engineers in Redmond have ironed out the physical kinks in this type of product which prevent it from being all that it can be. But that time isn't right now — and unfortunately for Microsoft, the clock is ticking."

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540550/microsoft-surface-review
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