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Windows NT 3.51 was confusing as hell too. Every server upgrade they have ever made was a complete departure from the previous version.

They've certainly added more complexity which rightfully required additional training but it's always been reasonable and formidable, which is why I'm jumping on it now despite my company only recently moving to 2008.

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The iPad mini: It just works.

 

The Surface: It just locks up.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw

the funniest thing about that video...

When he runs off to get the working tablet and you look in the audience, about everyone with a laptop had a glowing Apple on it...

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Thanks to Agramonte for his recent comments, posted from a tablet that does not have spellcheck. I like to see the concept of a corporate implementation Manuel. Always there are thinkers and then the ones who get things done. Manuel, Make it So!
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Sinofsky = Balmer2.0 minus 200 lbs.

You mean 0.2 surely? Otherwise my thoughts exactly mini Balmer but of course that's who they'd use to talk about iPad mini LOL
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Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.

Yeah.

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Windows NT 3.51 was confusing as hell too. Every server upgrade they have ever made was a complete departure from the previous version.

They've certainly added more complexity which rightfully required additional training but it's always been reasonable and formidable, which is why I'm jumping on it now despite my company only recently moving to 2008.

I'm sticking with CentOS. Pretty much the same as Sun OS 4 from 1994 when I first got into this gig.

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The worst part about the tablet crash is Sinofsky's "girly run" across the stage.

 

Did you also notice the "Pink Screen of Death" on the large TVs behind him... it was soo "cute."

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I'm sticking with CentOS. Pretty much the same as Sun OS 4 from 1994 when I first got into this gig.

I've used Red Hat over the years and use some version of Linux at work and elsewhere in many iterations, including on Citrix XenServer for many VMs of varying types, but I've never used CentOS.

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Speaking of Windows crashes at important events....

 

This is ancient history now I suppose, but does anybody know how long the BSOD lasted at the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremonies? Of course on TV we only saw a momentary BSOD and then a cut and the ceremonies resumed immediately, but in the actual stadium, we don't know how long the hiatus was or how long everybody sat there twiddling their thumbs while they frantically pushed ctl+alt+del over and over and over—girly-running too,  for all I know.

 

If it were anybody but Microsoft, you think NBC would have covered up for them like that?
 

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Sinofsky has been well and truly suckered into this response. What a dumbass thing to say, of course a mini is a recreational device it's not trying to be anything else Apple has serious laptops for serious use.

Sinofski will be gone by June 2013!

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I agree with you 100% bravo!   as an aside, I actually agree with both Apple's and Microsoft's criticisms about each others products.  One is mostly recreational and the other is mostly compromising and confusing.

 

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Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.

Apple didn't actually talk their product down.  Tim was ask his opinion during their earnings call and he just quoted a couple of reviewers. So technically, those weren't his words.

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I'm sticking with CentOS. Pretty much the same as Sun OS 4 from 1994 when I first got into this gig.

I've used Red Hat over the years and use some version of Linux at work and elsewhere in many iterations, including on Citrix XenServer for many VMs of varying types, but I've never used CentOS.

CentOS is Red Hat. Because Red Hat is open sourced licensed they have to publish the source code so CentOS just republishes it free. It is the same as Red Hat EL without the branding or the service contract. It is the most popular flavor of Linux by a large margin, especially for commercial use.

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Right iPad Mini is 'recreational.' Because there's so much more productivity software available on Windows 8 RT Surface. lol.gif
I haven't tried it yet -don't know the limitations- but Microsoft Office RT (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote) is bundled with Windows RT.
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He said $279 Win8 Laptop. 

 

IOW an Atom/AMD powered Netbook with no touchscreen (likely a crappy TN screen and small rotating HD).

 

The exact same thing everyone said would kill the iPad when it debuted in 2010.

 

100 Million iPads/275000 dedicated applications later and he is still using an answer that was foolish in 2010?

 

Netbooks. Really? That's the best you got?

 

I don't think Netbooks really compete with iPads.

 

But you know what that $279 Netbook with real windows, certainly competes with a $600 Surface, that doesn't run real windows applications, and has a floppy membrane keyboard that makes the netbooks look like an expensive mechanical in comparison.

 

Yay Surface RT, You can spend sub $300 for real windows, with a real keyboards and real applications. Or you can get a surface for more than double the price, half the performance, membrane keyboard, and almost no applications.


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Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!

 

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Love your photography.

 

In this shot, you really managed to capture the desolation well.

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He can't be talking about Surface. It's $499 minimum and runs RT.

 

He said $279 Win8 Laptop. 

 

IOW an Atom/AMD powered Netbook with no touchscreen (likely a crappy TN screen and small rotating HD).

 

The exact same thing everyone said would kill the iPad when it debuted in 2010.

 

100 Million iPads/275000 dedicated applications later and he is still using an answer that was foolish in 2010?

 

Netbooks. Really? That's the best you got?

 

 

 


The Surface is a netbook—just a lot worse, for twice the price.

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Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!

 

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Love your photography.

 

In this shot, you really managed to capture the desolation well.

I know right? Put out a sign that says "Line Starts Here" there's supposed to be a line right?

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yeah, RIM tried that tactic when they promoted their "Playbook", calling the iPad a toy compared to theirs. 

 

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Didn't work out too well for them either.

 

When you look at how the iPad is often used recreationally, it's kind of like the OLD Apple quip that; "Sure Macs aren't any good at games, but people use them to get work done." Do they not understand their target market?

 

It's like promoting XBox for presentations, and all games were forced to use bullet points.

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I know right? Put out a sign that says "Line Starts Here" there's supposed to be a line right?

 

That can't be VIP access to stop normal people, that rope is obviously meant to stop Leprechauns, Lawn Gnomes and Little Fairies. No wonder it looks so vacant.

 

When you target the people who would "enjoy the Windows experience on a tablet" -- you might be looking for repeat customers of the Zune, or Unicorns.

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It's like the political landscape. Everyone calling each other names. Buy what you want. We want people to be respectful of their creations and those of others. So tired of people lobbing bombs at each other. Sheesh.....
Reasoning ??? What a quaint idea..
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He said $279 Win8 Laptop. 

 

IOW an Atom/AMD powered Netbook with no touchscreen (likely a crappy TN screen and small rotating HD).

 

The exact same thing everyone said would kill the iPad when it debuted in 2010.

 

100 Million iPads/275000 dedicated applications later and he is still using an answer that was foolish in 2010?

 

Netbooks. Really? That's the best you got?

 

I don't think Netbooks really compete with iPads.

 

But you know what that $279 Netbook with real windows, certainly competes with a $600 Surface, that doesn't run real windows applications, and has a floppy membrane keyboard that makes the netbooks look like an expensive mechanical in comparison.

 

Yay Surface RT, You can spend sub $300 for real windows, with a real keyboards and real applications. Or you can get a surface for more than double the price, half the performance, membrane keyboard, and almost no applications.

 

Ouch. The more I'm learning, the more I realize I'll need a spreadsheet or I'm going to be totally confused. It appears that everyone seeing the Ads for this new tablet, are going to want to Click that keyboard, and Run all those Office programs. Is what you are saying that ALL THAT AWESOME STUFF, is only going to be on the top tier device with a different OS version? I've read reviews of RT, and it's actually pretty hard to determine the real difference -- and I'm sure users are going to expect everything to either be for a tablet, and/or be EXACTLY Windows 8 -- and they are going to be disappointed in both regards (so it seems). I expect a LOT of consumer confusion, which will exacerbate any shortcomings and make a product that might be good, look pretty bad. 

 

Look at all the screaming that went on with scratches on the latest iPhone -- I shudder to think of the disappointment with the $279 version that isn't EXACTLY like the higher end model. Apple has higher end models, but they aren't FUNCTIONALLY different.

 

I predict this tablet will be $99 or less on Craigslist in a year -- and the more I'm learning, I think that might be too high and expectation.

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I haven't tried it yet -don't know the limitations- but Microsoft Office RT (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote) is bundled with Windows RT.

 

Let's hope it has that ribbon interface. Then Surface RT's failure will be complete.

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   Their point is mostly valid.  It does not take a a great deal of effort to find an exception (aka low blow) when one makes an absolute statement. Anyhow, wake me up when the majority out IT departments are handing out tablets or Surfaces instead of laptops.   For now, the primary consumer motivator is recreational use first and foremost, productivity, if any, secondary. 
I find myself in agreement with you, but there are significant exceptions, notably education. And while significant, you are correct, they are nowhere near the majority. One specification I believe that may lead to wider adoption is that the iPad is usable the whole day before needing to be recharged. If an IT department hands out laptops, they better hand out extra batteries or power supplies. Sure you can hand out laptops cheaper than iPads, and can do more with these laptops than you could with the iPad. But when you can't keep this technology running the whole day, the cost savings is useless.

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RT = Recreational Tablet.  LOL! 

 

Strong words from a guy who's ARM tablet doesn't ship with an Outlook client.

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Take a gander at these comments. Pavlov's dog IT job protection racket MS sycophants same as always.

 

http://www.zdnet.com/debate/business-dilemma-windows-rt-tablet-or-ipad/10107426/

 

This product hasn't even hit the market yet, all its limitations are blithely ignored, has no software to speak of and its already their darling iPad killer.

 

 

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And he looks like Dr. Evil. Maybe these new MS tablets should attached to sharks with laser beams.

 

He reminds me of The Mekon from the 1950s Dan Dare stories serialized in the British comic "The Eagle" which I used to read avidly every week.

 

Google have a driverless car... perhaps Microsoft should have concentrated more on a suitable airborne mode of transport for those moments when their lookalike character needed to grab another tablet!

 

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"It's not just discounting. It's piss-poor engineering work and cheaper parts that drives the cost down."

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"It's not just discounting. It's piss-poor engineering work and cheaper parts that drives the cost down."
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Don't forget that Microsoft even held an actual funeral for the iPhone!


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Right iPad Mini is 'recreational.' Because there's so much more productivity software available on Windows 8 RT Surface. lol.gif

Well, to its credit it does come with a full version of Office 2013. Office is to productivity software what iTunes is to music software. 

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Sinofsky has been well and truly suckered into this response. What a dumbass thing to say, of course a mini is a recreational device it's not trying to be anything else Apple has serious laptops for serious use.

No dumber than Tim Cook saying Surface is like making cars fly or float.

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Did Apple rape your dog or something? So much hate. It's a FACT that iOS has gotten deep penetration in the corporate world, and is now the leader, where once it was RIM. Your opinion of it is irrelevant. Businesses have deployed and use iOS, along withtheir own custom apps, and no doubt saw benefit in doing so, through cost, efficiency, simplicity, etc- otherwise they wouldnt have made the jump. These decisions don't happen easily. The fact that you're butthurt that Apple hasn't updated the Mac Pro or something doesnt make all companies who have deployed iOS (90% of Fortune 500 companies) idiots. What a childish sentiment. Oh wait, you're the guy that just obsessively bitches about no matte screens for the iMac and therefore despises everything else about Apple. Continue on your useless, irrelevant crusade. 

I agree iOS has gotten much deeper enterprise penetration than any other Apple platform.  I'm curious to know how long that will last with Surface Pro or Pro-type tablets start rolling on the scene.

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I have no issue with the iPad or iPad mini being a 'recreational tablet' Apple make consumer products, recreation is what a lot of people do with their computers, tablets & phones.
the idea of a tablet for work purposes doesn't sound good to me, functionality wise a laptop vs a surface, if i'm working on spread sheets the surface would be balls.
funny thing ive noticed being in the IT world for work, a lot of companies are making in house iPhone & iPad apps to help productivity & they are working awesomely.
having said all that, i would like to have a play with the surface, i pre-ordered a black iPad mini :D & installed window 8 pro, fun geeky weekend woooo.
 

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I have no issue with the iPad or iPad mini being a 'recreational tablet' Apple make consumer products, recreation is what a lot of people do with their computers, tablets & phones.

the idea of a tablet for work purposes doesn't sound good to me, functionality wise a laptop vs a surface, if i'm working on spread sheets the surface would be balls.

funny thing ive noticed being in the IT world for work, a lot of companies are making in house iPhone & iPad apps to help productivity & they are working awesomely.

having said all that, i would like to have a play with the surface, i pre-ordered a black iPad mini 1biggrin.gif & installed window 8 pro, fun geeky weekend woooo.

 
i see lots of people using iPads for their business. Pos apps you name it!
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If by 'recreational' he means that a device has applications that allow you to do something then he's right. Honestly, the whole Windows 8/Surface RT is just like watching a car crash unfold right in front of your eyes. There's a clearly good product somewhere in Windows 8/Surface RT but typical of M$ behemouth monopolistic one size fits all thinking they've complete screwed up with the one OS across all devices solution. A laptop or hybrid laptop/tablet is a completely different UI paradigm to a laptop/desktop. Apple have had the sense to recognise this but I assume because of Microsoft's desperation losing market share and having no real footprint in the mobile/tablet market they are hoping to force users down this adoption route.

 

What's more ridiculous is that if they're going to get into the hardware/software ecosystem then the least they could have done was to get a decent application library together prior to launch given that they're competing against established application platforms.

 

M$ during their Win8/Surface rollout kept stating 'no compromise', perhaps from their perspective but from the customers perspective the whole platform now appears compromised. They've rolled out an OS and device that forces a desktop environment onto a tablet user whilst at the same time forced a tablet UI onto a notebook market.

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The man sitting on the left covered his face with his hand to prevent his photo from being taken!

 

Says everything!

 

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I know in my company *20billion not fortune500*, its start going from blackberry to iphone, but now they have stopped iphone implementation due to cost, and are going to a variety of android handsets.

 

No mac's of course, as we have EDS, an HP  company, supplying us Dells

 

:V

Please report back in a year or two when your support costs for the Android units ends up being two or three times what it is for Apple products. 

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Love your photography.

 

In this shot, you really managed to capture the desolation well.

 

Oh no - customers lining up for Windows 8 have invisibility or some sort of cloaking device or other stealth technology - this can only mean that Ancient Aliens have visited Redmond. 

post #120 of 193
There goes MS talking that BS again.
It took them this long to get a tablet and now since they have one they say the iPad mini is a recreational device. Ha ha!
No one needed a windows tablet all this time since iPad came out and now all of a sudden they need a MS tablet. Get real.
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