Microsoft exec promotes value of Windows 8 PCs, calls iPad mini a $329 'recreational tablet' - Page 3

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Originally Posted by DCJ001 

 

The iPad mini: It just works.

 

The Surface: It just locks up.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw

the funniest thing about that video...

When he runs off to get the working tablet and you look in the audience, about everyone with a laptop had a glowing Apple on it...

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Originally Posted by Eluard 

Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.

Yeah.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 

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Originally Posted by mstone 

Windows NT 3.51 was confusing as hell too. Every server upgrade they have ever made was a complete departure from the previous version.

They've certainly added more complexity which rightfully required additional training but it's always been reasonable and formidable, which is why I'm jumping on it now despite my company only recently moving to 2008.

I'm sticking with CentOS. Pretty much the same as Sun OS 4 from 1994 when I first got into this gig.

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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb 

The worst part about the tablet crash is Sinofsky's "girly run" across the stage.

Did you also notice the "Pink Screen of Death" on the large TVs behind him... it was soo "cute."

Speaking of Windows crashes at important events....

This is ancient history now I suppose, but does anybody know how long the BSOD lasted at the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremonies? Of course on TV we only saw a momentary BSOD and then a cut and the ceremonies resumed immediately, but in the actual stadium, we don't know how long the hiatus was or how long everybody sat there twiddling their thumbs while they frantically pushed ctl+alt+del over and over and over—girly-running too,  for all I know.

If it were anybody but Microsoft, you think NBC would have covered up for them like that?
 

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Originally Posted by snova 

I agree with you 100% bravo!   as an aside, I actually agree with both Apple's and Microsoft's criticisms about each others products.  One is mostly recreational and the other is mostly compromising and confusing.

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Originally Posted by Eluard 

Apple should now have the noblesse oblige to not talk Microsoft products down. If you talk your opponents down you sound weak and a little childish. Samsung is another matter — less business rivals, more IP thieves wearing masks and carrying a bag marked 'swag'. But Microsoft have gone out of their way to differentiate the look of their tablet from the iPad. They deserve some props for that.

Apple didn't actually talk their product down.  Tim was ask his opinion during their earnings call and he just quoted a couple of reviewers. So technically, those weren't his words.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 

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Originally Posted by mstone 

I'm sticking with CentOS. Pretty much the same as Sun OS 4 from 1994 when I first got into this gig.

I've used Red Hat over the years and use some version of Linux at work and elsewhere in many iterations, including on Citrix XenServer for many VMs of varying types, but I've never used CentOS.

CentOS is Red Hat. Because Red Hat is open sourced licensed they have to publish the source code so CentOS just republishes it free. It is the same as Red Hat EL without the branding or the service contract. It is the most popular flavor of Linux by a large margin, especially for commercial use.

He said $279 Win8 Laptop. 

IOW an Atom/AMD powered Netbook with no touchscreen (likely a crappy TN screen and small rotating HD).

The exact same thing everyone said would kill the iPad when it debuted in 2010.

100 Million iPads/275000 dedicated applications later and he is still using an answer that was foolish in 2010?

Netbooks. Really? That's the best you got?

I don't think Netbooks really compete with iPads.

But you know what that $279 Netbook with real windows, certainly competes with a $600 Surface, that doesn't run real windows applications, and has a floppy membrane keyboard that makes the netbooks look like an expensive mechanical in comparison.

Yay Surface RT, You can spend sub $300 for real windows, with a real keyboards and real applications. Or you can get a surface for more than double the price, half the performance, membrane keyboard, and almost no applications.

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Originally Posted by MJ Web 

Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!

 

Love your photography.

In this shot, you really managed to capture the desolation well.

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Originally Posted by Snowdog65 

He can't be talking about Surface. It's $499 minimum and runs RT.

 

He said $279 Win8 Laptop. 

 

IOW an Atom/AMD powered Netbook with no touchscreen (likely a crappy TN screen and small rotating HD).

 

The exact same thing everyone said would kill the iPad when it debuted in 2010.

 

100 Million iPads/275000 dedicated applications later and he is still using an answer that was foolish in 2010?

 

Netbooks. Really? That's the best you got?

The Surface is a netbook—just a lot worse, for twice the price.

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Originally Posted by GTR 

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Originally Posted by MJ Web 

Microsoft was beating the crowd back with sticks in Century City!

 

 

Love your photography.

 

In this shot, you really managed to capture the desolation well.

I know right? Put out a sign that says "Line Starts Here" there's supposed to be a line right?

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Originally Posted by _Rick_V_ 

yeah, RIM tried that tactic when they promoted their "Playbook", calling the iPad a toy compared to theirs. 

 

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Didn't work out too well for them either.

When you look at how the iPad is often used recreationally, it's kind of like the OLD Apple quip that; "Sure Macs aren't any good at games, but people use them to get work done." Do they not understand their target market?

It's like promoting XBox for presentations, and all games were forced to use bullet points.

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Originally Posted by mstone 

I know right? Put out a sign that says "Line Starts Here" there's supposed to be a line right?

That can't be VIP access to stop normal people, that rope is obviously meant to stop Leprechauns, Lawn Gnomes and Little Fairies. No wonder it looks so vacant.

When you target the people who would "enjoy the Windows experience on a tablet" -- you might be looking for repeat customers of the Zune, or Unicorns.

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Originally Posted by Snowdog65 

He said $279 Win8 Laptop. 

 

IOW an Atom/AMD powered Netbook with no touchscreen (likely a crappy TN screen and small rotating HD).

 

The exact same thing everyone said would kill the iPad when it debuted in 2010.

 

100 Million iPads/275000 dedicated applications later and he is still using an answer that was foolish in 2010?

 

Netbooks. Really? That's the best you got?

 

I don't think Netbooks really compete with iPads.

 

But you know what that $279 Netbook with real windows, certainly competes with a $600 Surface, that doesn't run real windows applications, and has a floppy membrane keyboard that makes the netbooks look like an expensive mechanical in comparison.

 

Yay Surface RT, You can spend sub $300 for real windows, with a real keyboards and real applications. Or you can get a surface for more than double the price, half the performance, membrane keyboard, and almost no applications.

Ouch. The more I'm learning, the more I realize I'll need a spreadsheet or I'm going to be totally confused. It appears that everyone seeing the Ads for this new tablet, are going to want to Click that keyboard, and Run all those Office programs. Is what you are saying that ALL THAT AWESOME STUFF, is only going to be on the top tier device with a different OS version? I've read reviews of RT, and it's actually pretty hard to determine the real difference -- and I'm sure users are going to expect everything to either be for a tablet, and/or be EXACTLY Windows 8 -- and they are going to be disappointed in both regards (so it seems). I expect a LOT of consumer confusion, which will exacerbate any shortcomings and make a product that might be good, look pretty bad. 

Look at all the screaming that went on with scratches on the latest iPhone -- I shudder to think of the disappointment with the $279 version that isn't EXACTLY like the higher end model. Apple has higher end models, but they aren't FUNCTIONALLY different.

I predict this tablet will be $99 or less on Craigslist in a year -- and the more I'm learning, I think that might be too high and expectation.

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Originally Posted by Sensi 

I haven't tried it yet -don't know the limitations- but Microsoft Office RT (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote) is bundled with Windows RT.

Let's hope it has that ribbon interface. Then Surface RT's failure will be complete.

RT = Recreational Tablet.  LOL! 

Strong words from a guy who's ARM tablet doesn't ship with an Outlook client.

Take a gander at these comments. Pavlov's dog IT job protection racket MS sycophants same as always.

http://www.zdnet.com/debate/business-dilemma-windows-rt-tablet-or-ipad/10107426/

This product hasn't even hit the market yet, all its limitations are blithely ignored, has no software to speak of and its already their darling iPad killer.

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Originally Posted by lkrupp 

 

And he looks like Dr. Evil. Maybe these new MS tablets should attached to sharks with laser beams.

He reminds me of The Mekon from the 1950s Dan Dare stories serialized in the British comic "The Eagle" which I used to read avidly every week.

Google have a driverless car... perhaps Microsoft should have concentrated more on a suitable airborne mode of transport for those moments when their lookalike character needed to grab another tablet!

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Originally Posted by snax007 

"It's not just discounting. It's piss-poor engineering work and cheaper parts that drives the cost down."
*fixed*

"Cheap fabric and dim lighting—that's how you move merchandise."

                                                                  —Morty Seinfeld

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton 

Right iPad Mini is 'recreational.' Because there's so much more productivity software available on Windows 8 RT Surface. 

Well, to its credit it does come with a full version of Office 2013. Office is to productivity software what iTunes is to music software. 

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Originally Posted by AnalogJack 

Sinofsky has been well and truly suckered into this response. What a dumbass thing to say, of course a mini is a recreational device it's not trying to be anything else Apple has serious laptops for serious use.

No dumber than Tim Cook saying Surface is like making cars fly or float.

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Originally Posted by Slurpy 

 

Did Apple rape your dog or something? So much hate. It's a FACT that iOS has gotten deep penetration in the corporate world, and is now the leader, where once it was RIM. Your opinion of it is irrelevant. Businesses have deployed and use iOS, along withtheir own custom apps, and no doubt saw benefit in doing so, through cost, efficiency, simplicity, etc- otherwise they wouldnt have made the jump. These decisions don't happen easily. The fact that you're butthurt that Apple hasn't updated the Mac Pro or something doesnt make all companies who have deployed iOS (90% of Fortune 500 companies) idiots. What a childish sentiment. Oh wait, you're the guy that just obsessively bitches about no matte screens for the iMac and therefore despises everything else about Apple. Continue on your useless, irrelevant crusade. 

I agree iOS has gotten much deeper enterprise penetration than any other Apple platform.  I'm curious to know how long that will last with Surface Pro or Pro-type tablets start rolling on the scene.

I have no issue with the iPad or iPad mini being a 'recreational tablet' Apple make consumer products, recreation is what a lot of people do with their computers, tablets & phones.
the idea of a tablet for work purposes doesn't sound good to me, functionality wise a laptop vs a surface, if i'm working on spread sheets the surface would be balls.
funny thing ive noticed being in the IT world for work, a lot of companies are making in house iPhone & iPad apps to help productivity & they are working awesomely.
having said all that, i would like to have a play with the surface, i pre-ordered a black iPad mini :D & installed window 8 pro, fun geeky weekend woooo.
 

If by 'recreational' he means that a device has applications that allow you to do something then he's right. Honestly, the whole Windows 8/Surface RT is just like watching a car crash unfold right in front of your eyes. There's a clearly good product somewhere in Windows 8/Surface RT but typical of M$ behemouth monopolistic one size fits all thinking they've complete screwed up with the one OS across all devices solution. A laptop or hybrid laptop/tablet is a completely different UI paradigm to a laptop/desktop. Apple have had the sense to recognise this but I assume because of Microsoft's desperation losing market share and having no real footprint in the mobile/tablet market they are hoping to force users down this adoption route.

What's more ridiculous is that if they're going to get into the hardware/software ecosystem then the least they could have done was to get a decent application library together prior to launch given that they're competing against established application platforms.

M$ during their Win8/Surface rollout kept stating 'no compromise', perhaps from their perspective but from the customers perspective the whole platform now appears compromised. They've rolled out an OS and device that forces a desktop environment onto a tablet user whilst at the same time forced a tablet UI onto a notebook market.

The man sitting on the left covered his face with his hand to prevent his photo from being taken!

Says everything!

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Originally Posted by MJ Web 

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Originally Posted by cycomiko 

 

I know in my company *20billion not fortune500*, its start going from blackberry to iphone, but now they have stopped iphone implementation due to cost, and are going to a variety of android handsets.

 

No mac's of course, as we have EDS, an HP  company, supplying us Dells

 

:V

Please report back in a year or two when your support costs for the Android units ends up being two or three times what it is for Apple products. 

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Originally Posted by GTR 

 

Love your photography.

 

In this shot, you really managed to capture the desolation well.

Oh no - customers lining up for Windows 8 have invisibility or some sort of cloaking device or other stealth technology - this can only mean that Ancient Aliens have visited Redmond.