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Apple's executive realignment has left Scott Forstall, once considered the company's chief executive heir apparent, as a temporary advisor to Tim Cook over the next year, and shifting his duties to other executives.

Forstall takes over iOS



Forstall came to Apple from NeXT, following the 1996 acquisition that restored Steve Jobs to the company's leadership and set the architects of Jobs' NeXTSTEP operating system to work in revamping Apple's ailing Macintosh platform with NeXT's advanced technology.

At Apple, Forstall led the design of Aqua, the new user interface and appearance of Mac OS X that reflected the translucent, brightly colored plastics of Apple's new iMac, iBook and refreshed Power Mac systems. Apple has been scaling back Aqua ever since, stripping most of its remains in Mountain Lion.

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Through the first half of the 2000s, Forstall worked on the development of OS X under Bertrand Serlet as Apple's new iPod gained prominence. When the company began developing plans to enter the smartphone market, a conflict reportedly arose of whether it would be based on the iPod's simple, embedded Linux-based system or use a scaled down version of OS X.


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In 2005, Forstall championed the use of OS X, in opposition to the iPod group lead by Tony Fadell. Jobs had the two groups develop competitive prototypes, and ultimately selected OS X because it would give Apple a highly customizable mobile OS that would share technology with its desktop products.

Forstall assumed control of the mobile version of OS X, which was later branded iOS, and worked on bringing the App Store to market. He was named the senior vice president of iOS in 2008, working alongside Serlet, who continued management of OS X. Forstall was also granted 120,000 shares at the time, which he recently sold off most of the remaining second half of this summer, netting $38.7 million.

OS X continues in parallel



The next year, Serlet recruited former NeXT and Apple engineer Craig Federighi back to Apple, and by 2011, Serlet announced plans to retire, leaving Federighi in charge of OS X.

"Craig has done a great job managing the Mac OS team for the past two years," Serlet said at the time. "Lion is a great release and the transition should be seamless."

Three months ago, Federighi was officially promoted to senior vice president of Mac Software Engineering, the title formerly held by Serlet. His inclusion into Apple's Executive Team ended any basis for speculating that OS X would "die really soon."

Apple spreads Forstall's tasks around



Described as an effort to "encourage even more collaboration between the Company's world-class hardware, software and services teams," Apple's announcement of Forstall's departure next year suggests that despite his important contributions at Apple, he wasn't fitting into the management team well.

Forstall had also skirted blame for an increasing number of issues, ranging from a decision to allow engineers to take prototypes off campus for real world testing (resulting in the leak of iPhone 4) to complaints and friction about the design of apps (generating both internal and public criticism of "skeuomorphic" designs) to the premature release of software ranging from iOS 6 Maps to Passbook.

Apple announced Federighi would be taking over management of iOS in addition to OS X, with Cook noting to employees that "we have the most advanced mobile and desktop operating systems on the planet, and bringing together our OS teams will make it even easier to deliver our best technology and user experience innovations to both platforms."

Apple's highly decorated, minimalist designer Jony Ive will also be expanding his role from hardware design to additionally "provide leadership and direction for Human Interface (HI) across the company."

Ive and Forstall reportedly didn't get along well, with Forstall pushing more ornate designs reflecting his work on Aqua and recent efforts to wrap apps in leather or introduce animations such as the shredder in Passbook.

Cook wrote that "Jony has an incredible design aesthetic and has been the driving force behind the look and feel of our products for more than a decade. The face of many of our products is our software and the extension of Jony?s skills into this area will widen the gap between Apple and our competition."


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Two other products that were outgrowths of iOS, Maps and Siri, are being take over by Eddy Cue, who managed the development of iTunes. Cue had previously taken over the troubled MobileMe, successfully transforming it to become iCloud, as well as leading the redevelopment of Apple's various media stores.

Cook wrote that the move "places all of our online services in one group. Eddy and his organization have overseen major successes such as the iTunes Store, the App Store, the iBookstore and iCloud. They have an excellent track record of building and strengthening our online services to meet and exceed the high expectations of our customers."

Cook's decisive shifts within a secretive company



In January, Adam Lashinsky of Fortune predicted that Forstall would soon replace Cook as Apple's chief executive, indicating how little is actually known about what's going on inside the secretive company.

Cook told Apple employees "I want to thank Scott for all of his many contributions to Apple over his career," and noted that Forstall "will be leaving Apple next year and will serve as an advisor to me during the interim."

Last winter, Apple awarded Forstall and other top executives a retention bonus of 150,000 shares if they stayed with the company for the next five years. Forstall shares don't begin to vest until June 2013, and if he leaves as scheduled, he won't get the majority of those shares, currently worth more than $90 million.
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I couldn't believe the headlines of the article on AI that Forstall and the other guy were out. I wasn't sure if it was some joke and it certainly was not April Fools Day. Wow. Had to take a couple of double-takes on that.

 

I think Forstall drank the cool-aid and believed everything the fantasies in his head told him. We all know about how dated iOS is looking, about how a lot hasn't changed. The App Store is terrible to use now, and so on. 

 

This guy has probably never had a really difficult time in his life. Maybe getting booted out of Apple will teach him some lessons Jobs had to learn after getting booted himself. 

 

And I think we never heard anything good about Browett.

 

If you are going to put a certain look on your apps to make Game Center look like bad poker or Notes to look like legal paper, at least give us the power to change the skins on those apps!!!

 

Also, why can't I make Chrome my default browser in iOS? I really do prefer it far better than Safari.

 

And Siri, I try to use it, but too many failures and I have realized its easier to just type out what I need done. Maybe I need to read the manual. But please don't promote Siri as the best thing since sliced bread.

 

By brother has a cheapo Android phone on Virgin Mobile and he can get voice control to work great. Asks Google how to get to the closest pizza place, and it gives him directions.

 

Why do you need an iPhone 4S for Siri and turn by turn to work? Why the planned obsolescence so soon in a product? 

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Originally Posted by pfisher View Post

We all know about how dated iOS is looking

 

Would you just leave? Come on.

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Would you just leave? Come on.

I do agree with the previous poster regarding one thing - the App Store is terrible to use now, at least on the iPhone.

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Frankly, I loved Aqua and didn't like seeing the blue go away release after release...I enjoyed wanting to lick my OS X system icons and buttons...that said I haven't been happy with iOS trends in design for a while, and in a place where you really have to be part of a team, it sounded like Forstall wasn't built for that environment.

Good move overall Mr. Cook, but this is a talented guy we're leaving behind here. Mr. Ive sounds good, if he can handle being part of software development, hopefully it'll work out good - as I'd like to see iOS toned down with a good dose of Jony's preferences.

We'll miss you Scott and all the tremendous work you've done (remember him introducing iOS on stage at the iPhone rollout). Best of luck to wherever you go.
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i hope this finally spells the end of "skeuomorphism" at apple.

 

i thought it was terrible from day 1, but there could have been some justification (new touch screen UI, new-type of way of interaction to ease people into, and make them feel comfortable). but, now - no justification at all. touch-screen UIs are nothing new.

 

re-creating real-world materials with pixels on the screen is simply mimicry - which is the opposite of authenticity. it's always looked out of place next to the industrial design of all their products. i still heave at the thought of the "brushed metal" texture in OSX. i really hope they get a qualified UI-focused graphic designer somewhere high up to complement mr. ive's ID expertise.

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Wow.  This is major company news about the future of Apple, and I'm sure those who know more (and some who know less) will wring it out in this thread. 

So my comment's just a side note:  seeing the whole senior team pictured, my first thought was that the executive team at Apple is certainly an all boys' club. 

 

Just asking, then, and not taking the company to task, 'cos I'm by no means a "quota" guy, does Apple have any promising near-senior execs of the female (or for that matter, minority) persuasion??  And is Apple typical or atypical - compared to say MS, Google, Amazon and others in its target markets - in this regard??
 

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Originally Posted by Shameer Mulji View Post
I do agree with the previous poster regarding one thing - the App Store is terrible to use now, at least on the iPhone.

 

I left that off as I've not had a real chance to try it yet. I dislike all iterations simply because none have… …say it with me… 

 

…subcategories of subcategories of subcategories! 700,000 apps and "Education" is the best they can do? Maybe I don't want early childhood education. And maybe I have absolutely no idea what the name of the app I want is. Maybe I don't know that the app that I really do want even EXISTS. I shouldn't have to know. I should be able to find it, piece of cake. I can't right now.

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I bet Scott Forstall was blindsided by this move. Why would he think he was a target when he's done so much for Apple for so long?

I hope he goes to work for a company making apps for Android. Maybe he could go to Amazon and make the Kindle's into really great devices. With all of his knowledge I bet Amazon would make really great devices if they got him over there.

Google would probably love to get him. Google Play could use some work too. If he integrated their system into something cohesive it would really take off and give Apple a worthy competitor.

This really could be a big mistake by Tim Cook. After all, he hired the retail guy with the crappy history of destroying companies for the sake of the share holders.

I think this advisory position is just to avoid legal problems and to make the firing seem less nasty than it really is. It's a PR move.
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That's really too bad.  I like Scott a lot.  He was a natural leader.  Oh well Apple.  There's plenty of Silicon Valley companies that will snatch him up in a heartbeat. 

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Frankly, I loved Aqua and didn't like seeing the blue go away release after release...I enjoyed wanting to lick my OS X system icons and buttons...that said I haven't been happy with iOS trends in design for a while, and in a place where you really have to be part of a team, it sounded like Forstall wasn't built for that environment.
Good move overall Mr. Cook, but this is a talented guy we're leaving behind here. Mr. Ive sounds good, if he can handle being part of software development, hopefully it'll work out good - as I'd like to see iOS toned down with a good dose of Jony's preferences.
We'll miss you Scott and all the tremendous work you've done (remember him introducing iOS on stage at the iPhone rollout). Best of luck to wherever you go.

Ive is not going to in charge of software development.  He's been put in charge of the design direction for hardware & software.  So don't expect him to start coding in Objective-C anytime soon.  I'm cautiously optimistic as to how he'll do in terms of directing the UI design for iOS and OSX.

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Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post
I bet Scott Forstall was blindsided by this move.

 

He was not. If anything, this was on HIS terms, with Cook's reluctant agreement.


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Google would probably love to get him.


Of course they would. Having the ACTUAL CREATOR of the OS they STOLE instead of having to reverse engineer it? 

 

I somehow doubt Forstall can (or would) work for Google, however.

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Maps is awesome- I don't card what anyone else says. I don't have the need for street view, I love Turn by turn, it's much easier on the eyes- and mainly- it's WAY faster

Now passbook on the otherhand- what a frickin joke. Came out way too early- so much potential but no way to use it because there's no apps with it. A dozen- almost 6 months after announcement? Major mess-up. Why does maps get the news when passbook should?

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If we're going to complain about something regarding software, like maps and passbook, I'd still like to know why Facetime hasn't been released as an open standard yet. That was part of iOS. It's not Scott's fault but I still want to know.

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Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post
…I'd still like to know why Facetime hasn't been released as an open standard yet. 

 

Would anyone actually support it, anyway? Microsoft bought Skype, so as stupid as Skype was before, they'll never support it now. Microsoft pre-Skype wouldn't have supported it in Windows Live Messenger, Google wouldn't have supported it, and that leaves… 


RIM, I guess. 

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It's hard to know how any of this is going to play out.  It seems like these changes might address some of the complaints about Apple's software/OS I have read here on AI over and over again.  The assignment of Ive to Human Interface sounds like a great idea to me.  I remember that interview where he is asked about some of the skeuomorphic BS in iOS and he visibly winces.  Jony will set things right.

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Wow.  This is major company news about the future of Apple, and I'm sure those who know more (and some who know less) will wring it out in this thread. 

So my comment's just a side note:  seeing the whole senior team pictured, my first thought was that the executive team at Apple is certainly an all boys' club. 

 

Just asking, then, and not taking the company to task, 'cos I'm by no means a "quota" guy, does Apple have any promising near-senior execs of the female (or for that matter, minority) persuasion??  And is Apple typical or atypical - compared to say MS, Google, Amazon and others in its target markets - in this regard??
 

 

I'm not a "quota" guy either, but you're right, the team is very male.  They are representative of other similar companies however.  Yahoo! break the trend, though only by having a female CEO - the rest of the 'C' level people are male.

 

Companies generally aren't doing that well at promoting women, but engineering has a terrible track record of promoting female engineers, which is born of our inability to attract female engineers.

 

It's actually a serious problem for the profession.  We ask people to do one of the most difficult degrees out there, hence we need the smartest people, yet because we are seen as a "boys" profession, we exclude 50% of the smart people.

 

As mentioned, I'm not a quota guy, nor would I say I'm an affirmative action guy, but at the same time, I can't come up with another way to solve the problem........

 

India seems to be doing something right, however.  I've been impressed with the number of staggeringly talented female Indian software engineers I've been meeting lately.  Let's hope that both continues, and leads to an increased representation of women in the boardroom.

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From the sound of the news this is probably not the case, but I'll float the idea anyway. There has been tons of rumors about them developing a radically different Apple TV. Maybe this is just a smoke screen and they are putting Forstall in charge of the project. He did a really good job with the initial release of iOS after all, and it would be tough to run iOS development and this new project at the same time.

It's probably just what it seems, but it's fun to throw a conspiracy theory out there.
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That's really too bad.  I like Scott a lot.  He was a natural leader.  Oh well Apple.  There's plenty of Silicon Valley companies that will snatch him up in a heartbeat. 
Or Microsoft will hire him for a ton of money when they realize that people haven't been waiting for office on windowRT surface. The still want personal apps and games.
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Ive and Forstall reportedly didn't get along well, with Forstall pushing more ornate designs reflecting his work on Aqua and recent efforts to wrap apps in leather or introduce animations such as the shredder in Passbook.


Forstall is obviously a very talented guy, and I wish him well.  It will be interesting to see how the OSX UI develops after his departure.  I wouldn't mind seeing some of the color return to OSX's UI, but I would be very happy to see gimmicks like the faux-leather trim and ragged torn page in the calendar app go away. 

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Does anyone remember what happened to the MobileMe team after Steve Jobs chewed them out over the epic failure of MobileMe and told them to hate each other?

 

Yeah, the MobileMe team was DISBANDED, the executives in charge of MobileMe were kicked out, and a new executive was put in charge right on the spot after Steve Jobs told the MobileMe team to hate each other.

 

If Scott Forstall was in charge of MobileMe, you can bet your Retina Macbook Pro that he would also be kicked out on the spot.  Why should the Apple Maps and Siri be treated any differently than MobileMe?  In fact, I'll bet that Tim Cook told Scott Forstall to hate himself and he refused to hate himself and was kicked out in response.  

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There are too many factual errors in this document to comment. The first started with Scott leading Aqua. The rest was frankly fluff.
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. We all know about how dated iOS is looking, about how a lot hasn't changed.

We do not.

Such a statement is a personal opinion and while you are entitled to that opinion, please refrain from stating or implying that it is fact or even a opinion held by anyone other you. Respect our right to have and speak our own opinions ourselves

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i hope this finally spells the end of "skeuomorphism" at apple..

Doubt it, but it might get toned down. Starting with having details like moving shadows on slider knobs which is total chintz, particularly when there are functional problems with the OS

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There are too many factual errors in this document to comment. The first started with Scott leading Aqua. ...

Could you elaborate on that?

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If we're going to complain about something regarding software, like maps and passbook, I'd still like to know why Facetime hasn't been released as an open standard yet. That was part of iOS. It's not Scott's fault but I still want to know.

How do you know it hasn't. Perhaps it has but no one is interested in using it

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He was not. If anything, this was on HIS terms, with Cook's reluctant agreement.

Given the rumors of Forstall acting like a total asshat all the time, it might not have been that reluctant

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post #28 of 41

If I had just made $38.7 million, I too might decide to take it easy and do some consulting work for a while.

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Also, why can't I make Chrome my default browser in iOS? I really do prefer it far better than Safari.

 

 

This just highlights the stagnation at Apple when a major app people choose to use is not the one produced by the company. For years Apple has been underinvesting in research, just hoarding cash on top of cash while Google has been recruiting PhDs in droves.

 

Eventually the day comes when you have to pay for your greediness.

 

Apple products even a couple of years ago where so much better than the competition that it could get away charging for iPhone three times its production costs. But not anymore. The competition really understood the secret of Apple. Hell Froze: Microsoft is producing its OWN computer Surface! Goolge genuinely unites hardware and software in its Nexus line. And all these efforts are backed by gigantic research investments in both companies.

 

While Apple still ignorantly thinks that its products “are the best on the planet” to justify morbidly fat margins and lets Sir Ivy obsess over easily scuffed aluminum edge on iPhone 5, the competition is not anymore in the rear view mirror. Not because it is far behind but because it is the “blind spot” and about to pass Apple.

 

Forestall could clearly add fuel to Apple at the time when it desperately needs it. And Tim Cook is not the one who could provide a much needed spark.

 

One thing clear, the days when Apple’s fat margins have been justified is over. Apple faces two choices: cut the price or lose its marketshare. AAPL is heading back to $300 with possible bumps up along the road. Forestall was wise to sell all his options.

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I'm just hoping this means that apple will stop trying to make things so beautiful at the expense of being cutting edege. You can have both ya know!
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Skeuomorphism is Doomed™.

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A lot of tech reviewers & bloggers have been complaining that iOS hasn't evolved enough & feels stale to them, with Ive getting into the software design space with Federighi, maybe some slight tweaks & ideas might make iOS look slightly different? or heaps, who knows?. 

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Originally Posted by kharvel View Post

If Scott Forstall was in charge of MobileMe, you can bet your Retina Macbook Pro that he would also be kicked out on the spot.  Why should the Apple Maps and Siri be treated any differently than MobileMe?

 

Probably because neither is a failure by any stretch of any sane person's imagination. You have zero reason to believe that this has anything to do with Maps. 


Originally Posted by Zozman View Post
A lot of tech reviewers & bloggers have been complaining that iOS hasn't evolved enough & feels stale to them…

 

Screw 'em. They don't get it.

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..... Maybe I need to read the manual. ...

Wow! There's a radical idea ... actually learning about how something works instead of just complaining. Way to go, loser .....oops, sorry ...pfisher.

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I left that off as I've not had a real chance to try it yet. I dislike all iterations simply because none have… …say it with me… 

 

…subcategories of subcategories of subcategories! 700,000 apps and "Education" is the best they can do? Maybe I don't want early childhood education. And maybe I have absolutely no idea what the name of the app I want is. Maybe I don't know that the app that I really do want even EXISTS. I shouldn't have to know. I should be able to find it, piece of cake. I can't right now.

That's why they bought Chomp. They're working on it. But while we're on the subject ..... are you really saying that an app that may not exist should be easy to find in a store that contains over 700,000 apps? I think your expectations are just a tad too high, don't you?

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Originally Posted by new bee View Post
…are you really saying that an app that may not exist should be easy to find in a store that contains over 700,000 apps?


Nope. 

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I couldn't believe the headlines of the article on AI that Forstall and the other guy were out. I wasn't sure if it was some joke and it certainly was not April Fools Day. Wow. Had to take a couple of double-takes on that.

 

I think Forstall drank the cool-aid and believed everything the fantasies in his head told him. We all know about how dated iOS is looking, about how a lot hasn't changed. The App Store is terrible to use now, and so on. 

 

This guy has probably never had a really difficult time in his life. Maybe getting booted out of Apple will teach him some lessons Jobs had to learn after getting booted himself. 

 

And I think we never heard anything good about Browett.

 

If you are going to put a certain look on your apps to make Game Center look like bad poker or Notes to look like legal paper, at least give us the power to change the skins on those apps!!!

 

Also, why can't I make Chrome my default browser in iOS? I really do prefer it far better than Safari.

 

And Siri, I try to use it, but too many failures and I have realized its easier to just type out what I need done. Maybe I need to read the manual. But please don't promote Siri as the best thing since sliced bread.

 

By brother has a cheapo Android phone on Virgin Mobile and he can get voice control to work great. Asks Google how to get to the closest pizza place, and it gives him directions.

 

Why do you need an iPhone 4S for Siri and turn by turn to work? Why the planned obsolescence so soon in a product? 

All of the text not crossed is non-idiocy. Bt me too, I saw it on Twitter by 9to5 and was like 'holy shit' and 'i gotta check this out'. So i headed over there, and wow, it was true, i never thought he would leave (Scott). He was a huge contributor to Apple and I would prefer him to stay. And Tallest is right, you should just leave. When only 1% of your post is good, you know you suck.

 

 


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Probably because neither is a failure by any stretch of any sane person's imagination. You have zero reason to believe that this has anything to do with Maps. 

 


It is most definitely a failure by Apple's standards.  A mediocre company like Microsoft might think that Maps and Siri were enormous successes but Apple is NOT mediocre by any stretch of any sane person's imagination. 

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Steve Jobs had a certain personality and character that he could be hands-on -- there is no-one at Apple who has that. SJ also had charisma, and I'm sure some of his teams would have been willing to make big sacrifices for him and Apple. Forstall doesn't have that and can't emulate SJ. Look at all the Keynotes where he was asked to demo features -- I always thought he was far from relaxed, not a natural in front of his peers or journalists and certainly rubbed-me off the wrong way.

 

Also, Senior VPs don't do the design work themselves, they provide ideas, play devil's advocate and provide direction. Each SVP has a team of very talented people who do all the hard work, just like all those people employed on-the-factory-floor at Foxconn.

 

What I miss is being able to customise my Mac the way I could in MacOS9 and before Jobs scrapped that "feature".

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