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As Microsoft revealed that the company sold 4 million upgrades to its new Windows 8 operating system in its first four days, CEO Steve Ballmer dismissed Apple as a "low-volume player" in markets like PCs and smartphones.

Ballmer was asked in an interview with The Wall Street Journal whether he would prefer Microsoft evolve to Apple's business model, where the company controls both the hardware and software. The chief executive said he prefers Microsoft's business model, though he conceded that it is "evolving" with devices like the new Surface tablet.

"In every category Apple competes, it's the low-volume player, except in tablets," Ballmer said. "In the PC market, obviously the advantage of diversity has mattered since 90-something percent of PCs that get sold are Windows PCs. We'll see what winds up mattering in tablets."

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In the U.S., Apple's iPhone accounts for about a third of all smartphones in use, while Google's Android platform is on more than 50 percent of handsets. Microsoft's mobile platforms accounted for just 3.6 percent of smartphone subscribers, as tracked by comScore in September.

As for the Mac, Apple has seen its share of the PC market continually increase as it has repeatedly outgrown the PC market. The latest data issued earlier this month by Gartner gave Apple nearly 14 percent of the U.S. PC market.

Microsoft hopes to counter some of the success Apple's Mac platform has had with its new Windows 8 operating system, which became available last week. Ballmer revealed at Microsoft's Build event on Tuesday that sales of Windows 8 upgrades had reached 4 million in the first four days.

As for the iPad, as Ballmer noted, Apple carries the lion's share of the tablet market. The latest figures show that the iPad accounts for more than 60 percent of all tablets sold worldwide.
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The **** is wrong with this guy?

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Somebody should get this guy a tele-prompter.

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Microsoft's users are abandoning the PC for tablets at an extraordinary rate, and they will soon be the low-volume player.
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Apple is bigger than Microsoft and Google combined. Neat trick for a "low-volume player."
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post #6 of 151
Balmer prefers Microsoft's business model to Apple's. Guess he prefers selling more to earn less too. If Apple is the low volume player, that would make Microsoft a low profit player. As an investor, I prefer the latter. I bet Ballmer would too.
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It's time for MS to seriously consider letting Ballmer go.
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post #8 of 151

He looks high.

 

 


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post #9 of 151

A sales guy...  it's all about sales numbers (volume).  

 

I like corporate earnings:

 

MSFT:  15.5B

AAPL:   41.5B

 

MSFT has to own 90%' of the market to get those returns.  Apple can make that money on 11% of the phone market, 10% of the PC market, and what 60% of the tablet market?  Who is more efficient?   has more upside?

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Best-selling tablet, best-selling phone model, best-selling music player world-wide. Best-selling laptop line-up, best-selling AIO and approx. 90% of PC sales over $1000 in the US... Losers.

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This guys needs to just SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!!!

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Wow, so Microsoft is really scared then. He should not be giving Apple free press.
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Maybe he meant that Apple is a low-volume player with respect to downloads of iTunes 11 1hmm.gif

 

I hate waiting.

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Computers running Windows 7:          40%

Computers running OS X:                   8.5%

 

First 4 days:

Upgrades to Windows 8:               4 million

Upgrades to Mountain Lion:          3 million

 

Had Ballmer had the success of Apple that he said he was content without, Microsoft would have sold around 14 million copies in the first four days.

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It's time for MS to seriously consider letting Ballmer go.

That time was probably about five years ago.

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Wow, so Microsoft is really scared then. He should not be giving Apple free press.

No kidding. My impression is that it's generally best to not comment on specific competitors lest you give them even more air time and mind share. That said, it might not be reasonable to call them competitors, Microsoft generally sells software, Apple generally sells complete systems, and both sell to different kinds of buyers.
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Nice wooden desk and staircase. I can almost imagine the photo was taken in an Apple store! Was that Uncle Fester's great idea?

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Ballmer is definitely sipping some fermented Kool-aid.

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So Microsoft who has lets say a 90% (probably more) market share only did 4 Million downloads in the first 4 days. Apple, which is a significantly lower marketshare sold 3 Million copies of Mountain Lion in the first 4 days. I'd say Apple did pretty well for its size. My opinion is, I don't think Windows 8 will be a huge success although they'll try to spin numbers to make it seem like it was. Many people are confused on how to use it and I at this time (maybe things will change), I don't see Windows 8 being a huge success in the tablet space either. As it currently stands, it doesn't really do anything special that the iPad doesn't already do. You can't beat Apple by copying them...you have to out execute them with something far better and then get people to love it. Instead of playing follow the leader, they need to try and be the leader. This could truly be the demise of Steve Ballmer. I think Microsoft is better for it. He's ran the company into the ground for far too long. They need a real leader, not a business man who has no clue about the computer industry. 

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post #19 of 151

Yeah, Steve... It's much better being a high-volume, low profit player. LMAO

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post #20 of 151
Low volume shipments but highest earning.

I seriously believe Windows 8 is going to do one of two things.

It's either going to make Steve Ballmer or it's going to drive people towards the Mac because the interface is soooo different that people will feel that if they have to learn a new interface they may as well learn the Mac interface.

I seriously believe Microsoft is on its way down. It's no way near as powerful as it was. I don't think it will disappear but it will sort of fracture and mostly end up selling Office for Mac... at least that's my hope. ;-)
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It's time for MS to seriously consider letting Ballmer go.

 

No, I like Ballmer. Let's keep him. How else will we get lulz?

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Besides looking like the monster in Mel Brooks' "Young Frankenstein," Ballmer just continually amazes me with his corporate survival. Any other CEO with his track record would have been shown the door a long time ago.

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This is the same guy that chided the iPhone when it was released by condescendingly chuckling it off a phone that was too expensive for anyone to buy. Oops. I guess we are starting to understand why Ballmer has such a reputation for sweating profusely.
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Computers running Windows 7:          40%

Computers running OS X:                   8.5%

 

First 4 days:

Upgrades to Windows 8:               4 million

Upgrades to Mountain Lion:          3 million

 

Had Ballmer had the success of Apple that he said he was content without, Microsoft would have sold around 14 million copies in the first four days.

 

Actually isn't it worse than that? Shouldn't the top line be Computers running Windows (XP/Vista/7) 90%, so it should be more like 30 Million copies of Win8...

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Apple is bigger than Microsoft and Google combined. Neat trick for a "low-volume player."

 

MSFT is chasing market share, not profits. And their market valuation reflects that.

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post #26 of 151

He seriously looks a bit "off."  And his comments say it, too.  I despise the man

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He looks high.

I wonder if he was wearing a set of Halloween season contacts. You know - the ones with the glow-in-the-dark irises.

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post #28 of 151
There's this river in Egypt..called Denial...
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Computers running Windows 7:          40%
Computers running OS X:                   8.5%

First 4 days:
Upgrades to Windows 8:               4 million
Upgrades to Mountain Lion:          3 million

Had Ballmer had the success of Apple that he said he was content without, Microsoft would have sold around 14 million copies in the first four days.

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post #30 of 151
Well what did you expect the guy to say? "Apple is kicking our ass and we're desperate so please buy our stuff"?
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I cannot believe that shareholders are keeping this insane person as CEO. Under his watch, the company hasn't done ANYTHING of note in the last two decades. It's almost like he's trying to create a reality distortion field like Steve Jobs did, but Ballmer is the only one in it.

@theothergeoff: You nailed it.
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I swear he must have got a jump on the legalization of marijuana laws in Washington State
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Well what did you expect the guy to say? "Apple is kicking our ass and we're desperate so please buy our stuff"?

 

They will be saying exactly that once the Windows Phone 8, Windows 8 and Surface sales numbers come out...

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post #34 of 151

Tell that to iPods and iTunes. Apple is taking huge chunks of the market in both on top of tablets. Not to mention that the iPhone is not low volume at all and is highly profitable.

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Ballmer is certainly entitled to his opinion and everyone loves trash-talking Apple.  I suppose it doesn't mean very much, though.  All that matters is Apple needs to keep selling as much product as it can for as high a margin as it can.  Nothing talks louder than cash.  I still think if Microsoft was all that confident that Windows is all that powerful, they wouldn't have gotten into the tablet hardware business.  It seems as though Microsoft is changing its business model, one that has worked successfully for them a few decades.  Meanwhile, Apple's plodding along as a low-volume player has made it wealthier than Microsoft.  I'm anxious to see the total number of iPads to ZunePads sold to customers over the next few months.  We'll see if consumers open their wallets to the ZunePad RT.

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I really hope Ballmer stays right where he is at MS. 

 

Under Ballmer, MS has lost every key tech battle (outside of game consoles) and has been confined to Windows + Office. 

 

The leaner, meaner and faster competition (along with Microsoft's epic laziness) has squeezed MS out of all the progressive tech markets. 

 

Ballmer is saying all this crap in order to promote Win 8 and Surface, which at this point look like duds. 

 

Meanwhile Apple has to date sold over 100 million iPads, owns over 30% of the smartphone market (all under one roof) in the US, and is the dominant player in mobile worldwide (iOS share in media players, smartphones, tablets, etc.)

 

Whenever Ballmer opens his mouth, Apple ends up selling *more* of what they make. More power to Ballmer's mouth!

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Nice wooden desk and staircase. I can almost imagine the photo was taken in an Apple store! Was that Uncle Fester's great idea?

More like a psychiatric clinic.

post #38 of 151
Yep, just like Ferrari, Bentley and the like. They're small players too. Poor Steve - all that money has gone and ruined whatever is left of his brain.
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If Apple is a "low volume" player in smartphones, what does that make Microsoft?

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Ballmer is desperately trying to make his company look relevant in light of Ballmer's failures to capitalize on the growing mobile and social media markets.
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