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Has anyone ever actually paid for a copy of Windows? Windows 8 will be no different, wait for a "free" version to become available if you want to run. With that being said, I swear there won't be any Windows of any flavor at our house, we've migrated fully to MacOS and Linux. It's nice to free of WinJunk.

People aren't just handing them billions of dollars. There actually was a time that people lined up for a Windows release.
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post #122 of 151
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Excellent point!

No, not really.

Windows users are not as hyped as Mac users. Every Windows is for a slow start, but picks up later on... well, every successful one. OSX spikes fast, but then declines as limited user base gets saturated.

According to Balmer, Windows 8 initial demand actually outpaces Windows 7 demand at the same time of it's release, and by a margin.
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Yep, just like Ferrari, Bentley and the like. They're small players too. Poor Steve - all that money has gone and ruined whatever is left of his brain.

 

It's weird when people draw these kinds of comparisons. Ferrari and Bentley are not mass market products. They're priced well out of the range of most people. A lot of people who own Ferraris don't even drive them as their "regular" cars. They draw a lot of weird attention. An iphone is not the same thing. No one will be surprised to see one in public, as it's a fairly common product, especially in larger cities. This is actually a better thing for Apple. Having a product that moves that many units has shown them much more growth than they would have seen from a device with the sales volume of a Ferrari.

 

 

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I wonder if anyone has told him how many Windows Phones have sold vs iPhones.

 

He really does spout a lot of nonsense. Microsoft could use a better face for their company.


Edited by hmm - 10/30/12 at 5:14pm
post #124 of 151
Ballmer sucks nuts.
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[/quote]He really does spout a lot of nonsense. Microsoft could use a better face for their company.
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Figuratively and literally.
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Originally Posted by popnfresh View Post

This is the same idiot who, the day after Apple released the first iPhone, scoffed and said that there's no way Apple could ever sell more than 500 of them.

To be fair, Apple did drop the price pretty quickly. I don't think it would have sold well at its original price. But I do think Microsoft's strategy is distasteful. They flaunt their monopoly of being bundled with every PC to dismiss any potential competition. Steve saw this years ago and declared that Microsoft won. Microsoft missed the other thing he said though that the only way they'd be unseated is with new technology and their iOS devices have done just that.

Steve: it's over, Microsoft won.
Ballmer: Hey Bill, Steve said we won.
Bill: Cool, we'll always be number 1.
Steve: We think PCs are going to be used a lot less in favour of Post-PC devices.
Ballmer: Well, we think they're still called PCs.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9229913/Apple_breezes_to_PC_sales_top_spot_as_Windows_share_decays

Ballmer: Oh sh*t, Bill they're saying Apple's selling more PCs than anyone else when they count tablets, which we're still calling PCs.
Bill: Dammit, we should have called them post-PC. No matter how half-assed it is, you need to fix this quick.
Ballmer: Introducing Microsoft Surface. Check it out, clicky magnetic keyboard. Ignore the tablet itself don't even turn it on, just keep clicking the cover - we can't compete on quality or innovation so our USP is clicky noises:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2vasc8UNl_0#t=28s
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post #127 of 151

Originally Posted by Marvin To be fair, Apple did drop the price pretty quickly. I don't think it would have sold well at its original price. It sold so well (and the 4GB so poorly) at that price that they discontinued the cheaper one, the 4GB! I like owning the Apple product with the shortest lifespan. 😎 And yes, I just copied and pasted this old text into the new box. 


Edited by Tallest Skil - 10/30/12 at 7:00pm

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post #128 of 151

Steve Ballmer appears to be delusional (iPhone funeral etc.), arrogant (everything out of his mouth) and shows signs of hyper-vigilant narcissism. He’s not capable of leading Microsoft—this has been obvious for many years—yet he’s still there and his personal wealth is now estimated to be ~$15.7 billion. Isn’t that profoundly disturbing?

post #129 of 151
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Under Ballmer, MS has lost every key tech battle (outside of game consoles) and has been confined to Windows + Office. 

 

 

Not true.  They lost the console war to Nintendo, and it cost them billions to get to where they are (second place) in the console business (upwards of $30 billion).

 

At the rate they're (finally) making money off the console business, it'll take them years just to recoup their investment.  And that assumes they don't chuck another $10 - $20 billion into their next generation console (which they might have to do to compete with Sony and Nintendo, again).

 

The console business became just the kind of no-margin, high-volume sinkhole Apple avoids like the plague.

post #130 of 151

Ballmer is using the number of desktop/laptop users compared to the number of Apple users using OS X as a low volume player.

A little message to Ballmer, Apple may be a smaller volume in the desktop/laptop arena as far as install base, but Apple is gaining market share and in the tablet world, Apple is cleaning Microsoft's clock and in the smartphne arena, Microsoft is non-existent.


Now, in terms of the financial viability, Microsoft is turning into a half of the value of Apple.


Microsoft's profit margins are erroding as Microsoft dives into the mobile device market since they don't charge as much for the licensing, hardware is lower margin than they are normally used to and because Microsoft is threatened by Apple's success  as a tablet and smartphone maker.  Microsoft is not the big player in those aspects.

 

Ballmer has to act like he isn't scared and Ballmer is just trying to use FUD marketing, but it coming off as as in idiot.  

 

I actually will be laughing the day he gets ousted out of Microsoft. I wonder who would or should i say IS going to take his place.

post #131 of 151

Low Volume player?

 

When Apple announces the first Week sales for the Mini, is Ballmer going to announce Surface sales for comparison?

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Originally Posted by Snowdog65 View Post
…is Ballmer going to announce Surface sale for comparison?

 

Fixed that for you.

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post #133 of 151
I am sure Steve Jobs is laughing at this. You think so huh. Really. Maybe he's not dead and everyone is supposed to think he is.
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post #134 of 151
If Apple is a "low-volume player" in smartphones, them Microsoft must not even be in the game.
post #135 of 151
Windows 8 is laughable. What a piece of junk!
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I'm amazed every time this guy opens his mouth. Can someone please give him a banana? Yes, Apple has smaller volumes but I bet Microsoft looks small in Apples rear mirror too. Ballmer was taken by surprise by the Ipod, Iphone and the Ipad, He had no clue and no foresight. Fortunately Ballmer only comes in one copy.


Edited by Meniac - 10/31/12 at 6:28am
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I love this man, he's a professional troll!

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post #138 of 151

It's clear Bomber's math skills have gotten as bad as his technology skills.... both have almost ground to a halt driven by dementia.

post #139 of 151
Only thing Windoze 8 is going to accomplish is create more Apple customers.
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Originally Posted by BrianCPA View Post

Computers running Windows 7:          40%

Computers running OS X:                   8.5%

 

First 4 days:

Upgrades to Windows 8:               4 million

Upgrades to Mountain Lion:          3 million

 

Had Ballmer had the success of Apple that he said he was content without, Microsoft would have sold around 14 million copies in the first four days.

 

Except support for software tends to fall off after a few versions of OSX, where people on XP can run probably 98% of the programs on Windows 7/8. The culture of users with both companies are different. Users on Windows get to be more choosey with their upgrade patterns because Microsoft provides a very long period of support. On OSX it's not so much the case, and users are quicker to adopt the new OS.

post #141 of 151
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Originally Posted by craiger77 View Post

I had my first exposure to Windows 8 over the weekend at Best Buy and a few other stores. I had to keep poking the screen to figure out wether the device I was using had a touch screen or not. What a stupid idea to make the OS look like it should work with touch when it doesn't. 

 

At the mall I was in there was a big kiosk with Surface tablets set up and an army of young geeks to demonstrate them. Unfortunately for Microsoft, while the nearby Apple store was packed, there were few people checking out their tablets. On an iOS device the OS is there, but you don't really think about it. It's the apps that run on the OS that are important, but with Windows 8 the OS overwhelms everything to the point of confusion.

 

I think Windows 8 is going to make Vista look like a huge success.

 

Not to rain on everyone's parade but I hope that Microsoft does well with the new OS. Apple really does need competition to keep up it's innovation or it may become like MS, thinking they are too big to fail. I love my Macs and iPads, but they could become stagnate, thinking nobody does anything good and they will always be able to charge whatever because its Apple.

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Apple has never really tried going after the large enterprise market. I am curious what the percentage shares would be if you only included home users. Over the last couple of years especially, I would bet Apple's share is growing big time.
post #144 of 151
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Originally Posted by Bryce Steiner View Post

Not to rain on everyone's parade but I hope that Microsoft does well with the new OS. Apple really does need competition to keep up it's innovation or it may become like MS, thinking they are too big to fail. I love my Macs and iPads, but they could become stagnate, thinking nobody does anything good and they will always be able to charge whatever because its Apple.

I don't see it happening with Windows 8 unless they quickly fix its glaring UI quirks. I tried to give it a fair shake, but it's a gimped OS for the desktop, and it absolutely needs a touch screen for the UI to make sense.

Previous versions of Windows stagnated and Apple still improved their product over the past decade.
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Originally Posted by Bryce Steiner View Post
Not to rain on everyone's parade but I hope that Microsoft does well with the new OS. 

 

They haven't. Windows 8 is an absolutely miserable experience. As just one example, not even of the UI (because I could hit our post character limit talking about how bad the UI—both old and new—is), Windows refuses to acknowledge the existence of the WDDM 1.1 driver.

 

Just… doesn't accept it. So every time I boot into Windows, my resolution is 640x420. And this is being displayed on my 27" Cinema Display.

The Windows 8 install disc even understands how to make the resolution 1024x768 during the install, but as soon as it's done and booted onto the partition, boom. Unusably small (well, so is 1024x768). 

 

So you do the 20 step process of letting the OS find new drivers on the Internet. Screen goes to black, boom, comes up 2560x1440 and works fine for the rest of the time you're in Windows. Driver reports itself as WDDM 1.1, like it should (since ATI has dropped support for the 4000 series in Windows 8).

 

Then you reboot and it's 640x420 again. It refuses to understand how to keep its own drivers up. 

 

"Just use the driver in the Boot Camp 4 set."

 

It does the same thing.


Apple really does need competition to keep up it's innovation…

 

They don't. They've never really had a competitor before and they have always innovated, so I'm not sure why everyone thinks this is the case.


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Edited by Tallest Skil - 10/31/12 at 1:56pm

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post #146 of 151

What's hilarious is that Ballmer thinks of Surface as a REAL SERIOUS COMPUTING platform and IOS tablets as a toy. Well, the interface for WIndows 8, all variants is basically the XBOX interface.  Yeah Ballmet, a REAL SERIOUS COMPUTING PLATFORM.

 

X-BOX.  I guess Microsoft has to get their future computer users trained on X-Boxes first.  

post #147 of 151
I dismiss Ballmer as being a low-brain-cell-player with a coinciding hair folical issue.
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post #148 of 151

I was using the the windows 8 beta also on my iMac, instead of using bootcamp used Virtualbox. It worked... but It was not intuitive, innovative, nor cohesive. I thought that it was just me. Perhaps people using 7 and vista will think it's great and buy it. I don't mind XP at all and now days it runs great in Virtualbox. We switched all of our PC's to Macs and just use VB for our Windows apps.

Even with their low down rotten past I would really hate for MS to go away because I think Google is much worse and insidious. MS was at least forthcoming about their intent to harm companies by taking marketshare. Google steals from the inside and doesn't care who gets in the way. MS would be a good buffer between Google and Apple.

post #149 of 151
Microsoft's (Balmer's) biggest obstacle to future growth is their vision of the future. They need to forget about dominating the desktop and forget about dominating corporate applications (Office and Exchange). These products are dead ends. The era of ever expanding applications is over. The notion of adding dozens of useless new features every year to drive sales is over. In fact, just the opposite seems to be happening - applications are getting smaller, specialized, and compact. With regard to dominating the desktop, there isn't going to be a desktop to dominate as smartphones, tablets, and other personal devices connected directly to the internet become ubiquitous.
 
The new desktop is "back end services" like Dropbox, Gmail, Facebook, Smugmug, and iCloud. Microsoft needs to focus all its energy on creating a suite of "back end services" connected to end users via smartphone, tablet, and yes maybe even desktop "Apps". This doesn't mean simply "porting" MS Office to apps. It means imagining a completely new future scenario where small, tight little applications all converge for purposes of collaboration in the "back end" - on Microsoft servers.
 
Corporate IT departments are dead. The workforce is becoming too decentralized for traditional IT networks to facilitate the collaboration necessary to be competitive in our increasingly mobile and "outsourced" society. The "firewall" has been moved out to include everyone in your social/business network. Facebook demonstrated the viability of this concept in the consumer space, Microsoft could do the same for businesses.
 
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post #150 of 151

Surface = low-volume netbook.

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post #151 of 151
Some other Low Volume Products; Dom Perignon, Rolex, Ferrari
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