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As Microsoft revealed that the company sold 4 million upgrades to its new Windows 8 operating system in its first four days, CEO Steve Ballmer dismissed Apple as a "low-volume player" in markets like PCs and smartphones.

I wonder if anyone has told him how many Windows Phones have sold vs iPhones.
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Only 60% worldwide? I call absolute b-s. I was traveling in Europe a couple of weeks ago, and was stunned to see that iPads are **everywhere** -- airport lounges, airplanes, cafes, restaurants, offices, hotel lobbies...... Not an Android to be found (or perhaps it's because Android owners are too ashamed to show it in public).

I am in Latin America this week, and it's exactly the same thing.
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I wonder if he was wearing a set of Halloween season contacts. You know - the ones with the glow-in-the-dark irises.

nope, just high

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There's this river in Egypt..called Denial...

fermented kool-aid is running in it

 

 


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post #45 of 151
I wonder if that dude who got fired from Apple could get the CEO position at Microsoft? Forestal could clean the mess at MSFT... except that he has a difficult personality. I would love to see that, than pile on MSFT stock.

Too bad Cook kept Forestal hogtied as an advisor.
post #46 of 151
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Only 60% worldwide? I call absolute b-s. I was traveling in Europe a couple of weeks ago, and was stunned to see that iPads are **everywhere** -- airport lounges, airplanes, cafes, restaurants, offices, hotel lobbies...... Not an Android to be found (or perhaps it's because Android owners are too ashamed to show it in public).
I am in Latin America this week, and it's exactly the same thing.

I've been saying that too. It's the same with MBPs too, Apple logos glowing every where with the odd Dell hiding in the corner now and then.
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post #47 of 151
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Computers running Windows 7:          40%

Computers running OS X:                   8.5%

 

First 4 days:

Upgrades to Windows 8:               4 million

Upgrades to Mountain Lion:          3 million

 

Had Ballmer had the success of Apple that he said he was content without, Microsoft would have sold around 14 million copies in the first four days.

Yes, but they don't want to tell you that 4 Million number includes all the PC's built by Dell, HP, etc etc, that had to be updated that were sitting in stock.  I mean, other ones I can think of are corporations IT Departments to update their labs to see how much work they will have to do in next year or two to roll out those win8 systems to general use.  Not to mention all the training places, the schools, etc, to "comply" with MS requirements.  Also, they are probably adding in all the "shipped" not sold ones as well.    

 

Here is a great example, Toyota to Honda, and the old Camry Vs. Civic...Toyota sells to rent-a-car type places, and Honda does not.  So Toyota includes the "fleet" sales into all the numbers, so they have more sold.  But in reality, more people own Honda's... it's all about how you spin it...  that is all.

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post #48 of 151

this explains a lot. wow

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post #49 of 151
I was at a conference of IT executives last week (the annual Gartner Symposium) and at the keynote they predicted that through 2014, 90% of enterprise users will NOT upgrade to Windows 8. How the mighty have fallen.
post #50 of 151
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If Apple is a "low volume" player in smartphones, what does that make Microsoft?

 

A winner:

 

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post #51 of 151
Here is a guy in denial or he just comes out from under his "ignorance" rock every 5 years or so. Typical comment from a moron.
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Balmer prefers Microsoft's business model to Apple's. Guess he prefers selling more to earn less too. If Apple is the low volume player, that would make Microsoft a low profit player. As an investor, I prefer the latter. I bet Ballmer would too.

Yes, Apple is making all the profit.  Buy/sell Apple stocks and use the profit to buy iphones/ipads.

post #53 of 151

The transition phase of a large company once the founder departs is often a tricky one.  It appears that Apple is, thus far, a lot more successful than MS.

post #54 of 151
S.B. (incidentally the initials seem, to me, to be in the wrong order) increasingly reminds me of Jabba the Hut.
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Ballmer is desperately trying to make his company look relevant in light of Ballmer's failures to capitalize on the growing mobile and social media markets.

Especially shocking on the social media front, considering they were the first really major investor to take a stake in Facebook (1.6% for $250M, way back), and they've owned Skype -- a superb product with a massive user base -- for a couple of years now.

And absolutely nothing to show for it. What a sad joke.
post #56 of 151

There is no denying that Steve Ballmer is a high volume person - in body mass and vocally.

post #57 of 151
As Debra Barone would say... "Idiot!"
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Apple users dismiss Steve Ballmer as a high-maintenance idiot.

Sad to see that he has lost touch with reality and is still fighting mental health.

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I was at a conference of IT executives last week (the annual Gartner Symposium) and at the keynote they predicted that through 2014, 90% of enterprise users will NOT upgrade to Windows 8. How the mighty have fallen.

This is the (random) word of mouth that I've heard too. If so, this'll be Vista all over again.
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I was at a conference of IT executives last week (the annual Gartner Symposium) and at the keynote they predicted that through 2014, 90% of enterprise users will NOT upgrade to Windows 8. How the mighty have fallen.

 

Um, they should have some follow up questions about windows7.  A lot of large companies try to stay 1 version behind for MS to iron out all the bugs.  Many are in the process of upgrading to 7 and some are just got the 7 upgrade done.  Definitely 90% won't upgrade for another 2-3 years or so.  MS knows the upgrade cycle of the big corporations and have the support period designed around it.

On the other hand, most Apple customers are end users who can't wait to get the latest and greatest.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider 
As Microsoft revealed that the company sold 4 million upgrades to its new Windows 8 operating system in its first four days, CEO Steve Ballmer dismissed Apple as a "low-volume player" in markets like PCs and smartphones.

I wonder if anyone has told him how many Windows Phones have sold vs iPhones.

 

Not to mention an effectively no-volume player in the MP3 market.

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Balmer prefers Microsoft's business model to Apple's. Guess he prefers selling more to earn less too. If Apple is the low volume player, that would make Microsoft a low profit player. As an investor, I prefer the latter. I bet Ballmer would too.

Haha, Microsoft = low profit player. Well said.

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There's this river in Egypt..called Denial...

 

There's this island where they welcome visitors by shouting: "da plane, boss, da plane"

post #65 of 151
That poor crazy bastard.
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post #67 of 151
Well, he was saying Apple is a low volume player in computer sales. He's still using the 90's idea that Windows runs the world and Macs are a smaller percentage. When you look at it that way, and neglect tablet sales as computers, he's right. But of course, we all know the world is (has gone already) mobile so tablets must be accounted for. When do you that, Apple beats everyone and MS is not even a jelly smear on the planet.
post #68 of 151
Take a look at the stocks on a ten year chart... MS can have all the volume, but Apple has all the money, and has made a lot more money for it's shareholders..

The charts I looked at had the scale for MS set at every $10 dollars.. The scale for Apple was set at every $100!!!

MS was a little under $30 ten years ago, and still is!!

Apple was around $8, and split 2 for one in February 2005.. It got up to $705, and is now $604...
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post #69 of 151

I guess he didn't read this:

 

The iPhone is worth more than all of Microsoft:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/08/19/apples-iphone-is-now-worth-more-than-all-of-microsoft/

 

 

One Apple product, something that didn’t exist five years ago, has higher sales than everythingMicrosoft has to offer. More than Windows, Office, Xbox, Bing, Windows Phone, and every other product that Microsoft has created since 1975. In the quarter ended March 31, 2012, iPhone had sales of $22.7 billion; Microsoft Corporation, $17.4 billion.

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Remember: MS has a history of denying the obvious.

In 1995 they dismissed web browsers (and the Internet) as a passing fad. (While working on IE at the same time.)

In 2007, Ballmer dismissed Facebook as a passing fad. (And made fun of the iPhone.)

In 2010, they were still pushing the stylus as the only way to make a tablet PC usable.

 

He's just trying to talk MS stock up. Don't trust a word he says, he's quite possibly lying. Either that or he'll change his mind in two weeks.

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This is the (random) word of mouth that I've heard too. If so, this'll be Vista all over again.

In terms of Surface RT, I think it will be worse than Vista...a complete disaster is more like it. Now, Windows 8 will be successful only after they through a couple of clean up versions to get rid of the "it's not called Metro - It's called Modern UI" thingie. After all, Windows 8 is really just a repackaged Windows 7 with touch screen added and some other window dressing. 

 

Who am I kidding, it will all fail. But, they are bound to get some traction because of new laptops that will have it pre-installed. 

post #72 of 151
Yes, low volume when it comes to units but high volume when it comes to dollars.

are you in the business to make money or not?

Google and Amazon sell at cost because they can;t compete.

How about you?
post #73 of 151
Hey, He is good for Microsoft, runs the company into the ground, no more Microsoft, the world would be a better place. Some village is looking for it's idiot.
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Microsoft under Ballmer:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I wonder if anyone has told him how many Windows Phones have sold vs iPhones.

 

Eh, the difference is just a rounding error.

post #76 of 151
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Balmer prefers Microsoft's business model to Apple's. Guess he prefers selling more to earn less too. If Apple is the low volume player, that would make Microsoft a low profit player. As an investor, I prefer the latter. I bet Ballmer would too.

You meant you prefer the former, or that you actually agree with Balmer?

post #77 of 151

Ballmer must be this ultra-competitive guy that would push a kid down just to beat him in a race.  (It's an analogy--I don't think he would actually push a kid down).  How can you counter a competitor's making more money by saying that we actually sell more crap for less profit?  Some of the stuff he has said in the past has been bad, but this one really is the worst that I can remember.

 

The Zune didn't squirt its way past the iPod.  The Kin didn't bury the iPhone.  I wonder what the internal pep rally for Win8 is.

post #78 of 151
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I guess he didn't read this:

 

The iPhone is worth more than all of Microsoft:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/08/19/apples-iphone-is-now-worth-more-than-all-of-microsoft/

 

 

One Apple product, something that didn’t exist five years ago, has higher sales than everythingMicrosoft has to offer. More than Windows, Office, Xbox, Bing, Windows Phone, and every other product that Microsoft has created since 1975. In the quarter ended March 31, 2012, iPhone had sales of $22.7 billion; Microsoft Corporation, $17.4 billion.

 

If I was Ballmer, I would be on the phone every day with the MacBU asking when Office would be ready for iOS.  That could actually be a win for him.  (I'm guessing) low cost to develop.  Low risk--it will sell well.  And high volume--which is the most important thing to him.

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When is someone going to shut monkey boy up?

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