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post #81 of 151

Has anybody noticed the trend that Windows users tend to be afraid of upgrades, and Mac users tend to be excited about them? It's a pretty consistent trend I've notice in the non-techy people I know.

post #82 of 151
This is the same idiot who, the day after Apple released the first iPhone, scoffed and said that there's no way Apple could ever sell more than 500 of them.
post #83 of 151

I had my first exposure to Windows 8 over the weekend at Best Buy and a few other stores. I had to keep poking the screen to figure out wether the device I was using had a touch screen or not. What a stupid idea to make the OS look like it should work with touch when it doesn't. 

 

At the mall I was in there was a big kiosk with Surface tablets set up and an army of young geeks to demonstrate them. Unfortunately for Microsoft, while the nearby Apple store was packed, there were few people checking out their tablets. On an iOS device the OS is there, but you don't really think about it. It's the apps that run on the OS that are important, but with Windows 8 the OS overwhelms everything to the point of confusion.

 

I think Windows 8 is going to make Vista look like a huge success.

post #84 of 151
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Originally Posted by dbtinc View Post

Yep, just like Ferrari, Bentley and the like. They're small players too. Poor Steve - all that money has gone and ruined whatever is left of his brain.

 

 

You might want to look at your "small player" companies. I know you just named  them because you thought they were “cool” cars

 

Ferrari (owned by Fiat) made 3.5 billion in revenue in 2011.  4% of Fiat’s revenue.

Bentley (owned by VW) made 1.7 billion in revenue.  1% of VW's revenue.

 

Yeah, great example of small players. So you are saying Apple is owned by HP and makes less than a tenth the revenue.

post #85 of 151
This guy is so utterly stupid I really hope MS keeps him in charge until 2030.

The problem with MS is if sb who is smart and capable gets in the chair.....then they could bloom up again. But with that screaming Texas Longhorn bull in charge...naaaah
post #86 of 151
Don't feed the troll.
post #87 of 151
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Originally Posted by joelsalt View Post

The **** is wrong with this guy?

 

Everything

post #88 of 151

When you can go out and get a coupon code to get Win8 for $14.99, no wonder it sold well.

 

Now, how many have actually be installed??  Will they hit over 100 million installs in 5 weeks or whatever it took for iOS to hit that mark??
 

post #89 of 151
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


That time [for letting Ballmer go] was probably about five years ago.
 

 

That time was probably before he was ever given the job. Although, in fairness, Microsoft's current trajectory was set years before Ballmer took over, and Gates is as much to blame for the current state of the company as anyone. Ballmer's problem is that he can't think outside the parameters he was handed, and Microsoft is thus doomed to follow that trajectory until they can find someone with the vision to change it. In all probability, it probably doesn't really matter who is running Microsoft, the results would have been the same.

post #90 of 151
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Only 60% worldwide? I call absolute b-s. I was traveling in Europe a couple of weeks ago, and was stunned to see that iPads are **everywhere** -- airport lounges, airplanes, cafes, restaurants, offices, hotel lobbies...... Not an Android to be found (or perhaps it's because Android owners are too ashamed to show it in public).
I am in Latin America this week, and it's exactly the same thing.

I do think 60% of 'unit sales'  is accurate.  Not 60% of hourly tablet use.

 

From above: Key words: travelling, hotels, airplanes.

   travellers require multifunction devices that are uber light and functional, and function/price has to be high.

 

 

It's because Kindles and nooks and nexi are in the bedside drawer, or stuffed in a purse.  Function to price can be low, as long as price is low low.  The typical techie techie who screams for a Android devices most likely has a MBA knock-off laptop as their primary 'out' device while travelling (if they travel);-)

 

I bet there were kindles by the pool;-)

post #91 of 151
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Originally Posted by craiger77 View Post

I had my first exposure to Windows 8 over the weekend at Best Buy and a few other stores. I had to keep poking the screen to figure out wether the device I was using had a touch screen or not. What a stupid idea to make the OS look like it should work with touch when it doesn't. 

 

 

I had the same experience but I do have Win8 on order.  I need another copy of windows and I can get Win8 for $10

post #92 of 151
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

That time was probably before he was ever given the job. Although, in fairness, Microsoft's current trajectory was set years before Ballmer took over, and Gates is as much to blame for the current state of the company as anyone. Ballmer's problem is that he can't think outside the parameters he was handed, and Microsoft is thus doomed to follow that trajectory until they can find someone with the vision to change it. In all probability, it probably doesn't really matter who is running Microsoft, the results would have been the same.

Ballmer was named CEO January 2000.

I don't think too much ill of him, but he does have a big mouth and I don't think he was the right person for the job. There is a difference between damage control and putting his foot in his mouth.
post #93 of 151
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


I've been saying that too. It's the same with MBPs too, Apple logos glowing every where with the odd Dell hiding in the corner now and then.

The glowing Apple logo was an incredibly smart marketing move. When the camera would pan out over the crowd at the introduction of the Surface, the Apple logo was glowing everywhere. Balmer seeing that from the stage, has got to make him feel nutz!

 

I don't think it's an illusion but while Apple may have 14% of the computer market, they must have 80% of the portable computer market (not counting iPads).

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post #94 of 151

So Ballmer is saying that Micro Soft has a bigger cock than Apple?

post #95 of 151

Apple is a "low-volume player" because there's no need to shout.

Apple products speak for themselves.

post #96 of 151
Ballmer is probably correct. As long as the majority of consumers want everything for nothing, the MSes, Walmarts of the world will sell the most.

The problem is capitalism is on its last legs in the US, because most consumers want to pay the least amount they can while using up the most resources they can. One of the biggest problems is corporate merges. The courts have allowed massive merges with the simple condition that the consumer will pay less or no more, believing that the only problem with monopolies is that monopolies will eventually force prices up.

This is short sighted and a major cause of our economic problems. That is, these merges create a monopoly on production. Prices forced low prevents competition.

The most recent example, which almost all consumers agreed to, including Apple fanboys, is the DOJ suits against Apple and the publishers pricing based on the agency model. Not only will Amazon be allowed to control the book market, but publishers themselves. The agency model would and does price books as high as the publishers want to charge; this is good, because higher prices by the small oligarchy of publishers will allow nimble and smaller publishers to be created and to offer competition. This means more jobs and more choice in the market, and more authors.

Will consumers have to pay more? Yes, most certainly. Is this good? Absolutely, yes!

There is no better way to destroy jobs and competition than driving prices low. Apple is the only game in town that prices their products high and people continue to buy. Many consumers, not most, are willing to pay for quality and innovation. Those who don't buy Androids and Dells.
post #97 of 151

I wonder how many of that 4million was pre-installed at the factory by the likes of HP, Dell, Gateway, blah-blah? I seem to recall that when Windows7 came out, all the PC manufacturers were told they could not pre-install WindowsXP at the risk of losing their licences to Windows. My Boot Camp partition had WinXP on it until I did a clean install of Mountain Lion.

post #98 of 151
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Originally Posted by Kavok View Post

I cannot believe that shareholders are keeping this insane person as CEO. Under his watch, the company hasn't done ANYTHING of note in the last two decades. It's almost like he's trying to create a reality distortion field like Steve Jobs did, but Ballmer is the only one in it.
@theothergeoff: You nailed it.

What?? Are you insane??

 

One more year of Bill Gates as CEO and Microsoft would be destroyed by governments and other entities, but that's not the important thing to remember.

 

The important thing to remember is that win7 is a great OS, win8 is a fresh idea (the "previous" Microsoft never made something new), windows RT and phone are nice alternatives.

Then you have xBox, kinnect...

 

Microsoft is better with him than it was in Bill Gates last years. 

post #99 of 151
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Originally Posted by icoco3 View Post

When you can go out and get a coupon code to get Win8 for $14.99, no wonder it sold well.

 

Now, how many have actually be installed??  Will they hit over 100 million installs in 5 weeks or whatever it took for iOS to hit that mark??
 

The mac plataform has less than 10% market share, and it sold 3million ML copies.

post #100 of 151
now THAT my friends is a reality distortion field. His reality is clearly distorted.
post #101 of 151
Originally Posted by hondo77 View Post
Don't feed the troll.

 

Ha! Which one?

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The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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post #102 of 151
Some people really need to work on their blood pressure.
What's the stress?
post #103 of 151
Originally Posted by Blitz1 View Post
Some people really need to work on their blood pressure.
What's the stress?

 

Oh, you know…

 

 

Developers.

Originally Posted by Marvin

The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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Originally Posted by Marvin

The only thing more insecure than Android’s OS is its userbase.
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post #104 of 151
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Originally Posted by mwhiteco View Post

This guys needs to just SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!!!

No. He needs to keep talking. The more he says, the dumber and the more out of touch he appears. Then perhaps, people will just stop listening.

post #105 of 151
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

It's time for MS to seriously consider letting Ballmer go.

 

That time came years ago.

post #106 of 151
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

It's time for MS to seriously consider letting Ballmer go.

This would have been the right thing to do 5 years ago.

Now ...... I don't know what to say.

May be it's better now to keep him. The downfall will be shorter and thus maybe hurts less.

Bye bye M$!
post #107 of 151
Has anyone ever actually paid for a copy of Windows? Windows 8 will be no different, wait for a "free" version to become available if you want to run. With that being said, I swear there won't be any Windows of any flavor at our house, we've migrated fully to MacOS and Linux. It's nice to free of WinJunk.
post #108 of 151

I would love to know what Balmer's IQ is.

 

I wonder too what the very smart programmers who work at Microsoft think of him now. I remember reading a blog post by one a few years back with literally thousands of replies, employees complaining about the drift downwards of the company as they annually "churn" — i.e. fire — ten percent of their workforce and replace them, but exempt from this process the company executives who are responsible for the mess that Microsoft is in.

 

Microsoft is a textbook case of how not to run a company.

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post #109 of 151

Let's be clear. Ballmer is not stupid. He just promotes stupid things, says stupid things and and acts stupidly.

post #110 of 151
What.... ever.....
post #111 of 151
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

The mac plataform has less than 10% market share, and it sold 3million ML copies.

 

Actually Macs are over 14% of the market in North America and they take a larger slice in other places.  That's for overall numbers too.  If you leave out the corporate purchases it's closer to 25%.  

 

Mountain Lion also sold 3 million copies in the first few hours, not overall. 

post #112 of 151

This dude reminds me of a Boglin.

post #113 of 151
Seriously...if I owned significant Microsoft stock, I'd be clamoring for this guys head...ugly as it is! ;-)
post #114 of 151
It's called Ballmer propaganda. He get excited with his little OS upgrade? So what. Microsoft had to violate Anti-Trust laws to get where they are. It's REAL easy to gain market share when you are violating Anti Trust laws for years.

now the tides are shifting and Apple's earning their business.

Ballmer is such a back stabber.

Hey Ballmer, so how come you only have 50% of Windows users running one version of the OS? Can't you get 80% market penetration of any release of OS? Is it possible?

In the Smartphone market, Microsoft Dinky. In the tablet market, Microsoft is dinky. so what's up Ballmer? Getting a little nervous that your tablets may end up like Zune.
post #115 of 151
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Originally Posted by TeeJay2012 View Post

Let's be clear. Ballmer is not stupid. He just promotes stupid things, says stupid things and and acts stupidly.


Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck....

post #116 of 151

Ummm, Deja-F**ing-Vu!

Apple had me at scrolling
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Apple had me at scrolling
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post #117 of 151
yea, sure, Ballmer.
post #118 of 151
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Oh, you know…

 

 

Developers.

Cocaine's a powerful drug...

post #119 of 151
Never been keen on this guy, he comes across as an angry arrogant dick. And ever since he took over the reigns at Microsoft, Apple has been walking all over them.
post #120 of 151

I really miss those daily briefings from the Iraqi Information Minister. Luckily, SB fills the void every now and again.

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