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Apple's chief executive Tim Cook announced a new role for Jonathan Ive, the company's senior vice president of industrial design: taking the lead in directing the design of the company's software, too.

Apple has always been strong on design



Apple quickly became associated with innovative design in computers, often to the point of being criticized for putting too much attention into minor details. Steve Jobs' infatuation with well designed products was reflected in the Apple II line and Lisa, but increasingly so in the 1984 Macintosh, which Jobs wanted to be as elegant and easy to use as a Cuisinart food processor.

Jobs consulted with designer Jerry Manock in 1977, soon after founding Apple, and hired him to build the Apple Industrial Design Group tasked with developing iconic designs for Apple's computers.

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Apple continued to pursue design as an important ingredient in its products, initially working with famous designers (including Hartmut Esslinger of Frog Design) to develop the Apple Iic "Snow White" industrial design language, followed by Platinum. The designs reflected the parallel lines of the original Macintosh user interface. After Jobs was pushed out of Apple to launch NeXT in the mid 80s, he also hired Frog to develop the iconic design of the NeXT Computer.

But the culture of design was also retained at Apple. In the late 80s, Apple's director of industrial design Robert Brunner worked with Sony to develop the 1991 PowerBook notebook, which radically rethought the design of portable systems, placing the keyboard next to the screen while leaving space for a trackball centered in a broad wrist rest in front of it, a layout that was briefly scorned as odd before the rest of the industry copied it.

At the same time, Apple developed the Newton Message Pad as world's first mainstream tablet system, combining industrial design with new "soup" software development concepts, the design of ARM as an entirely new mobile chip architecture, and the company's operating system savvy to build a beautiful, functional product, even if it was too expensive to gain much traction.

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In 2007, Brunner, who ran Apple's design group from 1987 through 1996, gave a presentation at the Computer History Museum where he described three efforts to recruit Ive to work at Apple. He was finally successful in 1992. Ive's first task was to tweak the design of the original Message Pad.



Ive struck by Apple's design focus



It was Apple's international reputation for advanced design that attracted Ive. In a 2007 interview with the Design Museum, Ive related, "I went through college having a real problem with computers. I was convinced that I was technically inept, which was frustrating as I wanted to use computers to help me with various aspects of my design.

"Right at the end of my time at college I discovered the Mac. I remember being astounded at just how much better it was than anything else I had tried to use. I was struck by the care taken with the whole user experience. I had a sense of connection via the object with the designers.

"I started to learn more about the company, how it had been founded, its values and its structure. The more I learnt about this cheeky almost rebellious company the more it appealed to me, as it unapologetically pointed to an alternative in a complacent and creatively bankrupt industry. Apple stood for something and had a reason for being that wasn?t just about making money."

In 1992, Ive joined Apple, first as a consultant and then as a full time employee. Ive described being frustrated in working as a consultant to the company, saying that it "made it difficult to have a profound impact on product plans and to truly innovate. By the time you had accepted a commission so many of the critical decisions had already been made. Increasingly I had also come to believe that to do something fundamentally new requires dramatic change from many parts of an organization."

But as Ive began working at Apple, the company was falling into decline. Ive stated that "Apple had started trying to compete to an agenda set by an industry that had never shared its goals. While as a designer I was certainly closer to where the decisions were being made, but I was only marginally more effective or influential than I had been as a consultant."


Jobs struck by Ive's design focus



In 1996, when Jobs returned to Apple, Ive noted that Jobs "reestablished the core values he had established at the beginning," adding that "Apple again pursued a direction which was clear and different from any other companies. Design and innovation formed an important part of this new direction."

But design at Apple wasn't just handed down by expert designers. While often credited with creating Apple's unique designs, Ive himself had credited his accomplishments to the culture of Apple that has supported a design-centric focus.

"Not only is it critical that the leadership of a company clearly understands its products and the role of design," Ive said, "but that the development, marketing and sales teams are also equally committed to the same goals. More than ever I am aware that what we have achieved with design is massively reliant on the commitment of lots of different teams to solve the same problems and on their sharing the same goals.

"I like being part of something that is bigger than design. There is a loyalty that I have for Apple and a belief that this company has an impact beyond design which feels important. I also have a sense of being accountable as we really live, sometimes pretty painfully with the consequences of what we do."

Speaking specifically of his design team, Ive added, "We have assembled a heavenly design team. By keeping the core team small and investing significantly in tools and process we can work with a level of collaboration that seems particularly rare. Our physical environment reflects and enables that collaborative approach. The large open studio and massive sound system support a number of communal design areas. We have little exclusively personal space. In fact, the memory of how we work will endure beyond the products of our work."

14 years of design



In 1998, in the second year of Jobs's remaking of Apple, Ive was named the company's vice-president of industrial design. He also launched his all new design of the iMac, which completely rethought the personal computer on a number of levels. It was simple, easy to set up ("there is no step three!" mused Jeff Goldblum) and incredibly distinctive. Like the PowerBook from eight years prior, the tech industry first complained about its translucent plastics and use of the then-unproven USB, then rapidly began copying it.



Ive's new Titanium PowerBook also helped to shift Apple's perception from being purely a design tool for artists to a more universal appeal. The success of the iMac and new PowerBooks helped to fund Jobs' efforts to replace the aging "Classic Mac OS," an embedded design that hadn't changed much since the late 80s, with the more advanced and sophisticated NeXT platform. Jobs even commissioned a change in the Mac's software look, dubbed "Aqua," to reflect the translucent plastics of the company's computers.

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But as Apple struggled to retool NeXTSTEP to be what would become "OS X," Apple's resurgence was also hit with the 2000 dotcom recession, which hit the company hard, given the revenues that had been funneling in from liberally outfitted new tech companies that loved Apple's design.

A particular victim of economic downturn was Ive's G4 Cube, an elegant product that was overpriced and delivered only moderate performance. The next year, Apple released Ive's novel iPod design, which helped the company find new audiences among Windows PC users. It was followed by the 2002 igloo iMac, which reached perhaps the apex of Apple's fanciful design phase.

Starting with minimal new 12 and 17 inch Aluminum PowerBooks in 2003, Ive's design team at Apple began churning out simple, elegant designs that were immediately recognizable as Apple's. Ive followed with a new Power Mac (now Mac Pro) case, a slim new Mac mini, a series of new iPods, the new design of the MacBook Air, the iPhone and most recent the iPad, Apple's most successful personal computer ever.

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Taking on Human Interface design



This week, Cook announced that "Ive will provide leadership and direction for Human Interface (HI) across the company in addition to his role as the leader of Industrial Design. His incredible design aesthetic has been the driving force behind the look and feel of Apple?s products for more than a decade."

That gives Ive and his design team a broader focus, one that has been widely interpreted to mean a replacement of various fiefdoms of design at Apple that haven't always synched up well. The most obvious has been heavily ornamented user interface concepts created by Scott Forstall, another rising star cultivated by Jobs. Forstall's design of the Aqua language reflected Apple's 1998 iMac, but it stuck around a lot longer.

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Prior to and lasting longer than Aqua, Jobs also supported a "Brushed Metal" appearance, first for QuickTime, then for a variety of Mac apps, including iTunes and the Finder. Apple harmonized some of its various incongruous elements with the Unified appearance in 2005's OS X 10.4 Tiger and its 10.5 Leopard successor. But the company has continued to experiment with user interface ideas, introducing new ideas, then expanding upon or abandoning them in successive releases.

In addition to OS X, Apple also launched iOS with its own, unique mobile and touch-optimized interface. Many of its concepts have been brought "back to the Mac" in an effort to simplify and mainstream the company's desktop platform, and to bring more cohesion between the two.


Apple's apps need a design leader



Besides OS X and iOS, however, Apple has also acquired or developed a series of iLife, iWork and Pro Apps, each of which has launched or tweaked user interface conventions. After acquiring Logic, for example, Apple carried forward its PC-centric interface for multiple releases before giving it a more Mac-like appearance.

Apple has also delegated Pro App design to software leaders, a notable example being Randy Ubillos, who developed the basis of Final Cut Pro, originally at Macromedia. At Apple, Ubillos revamped Final Cut and a series of supporting apps, then redesigned iMovie to be easier to use.

Much like iOS's influence on the Mac, Ubillos then led Jobs' directive to overhaul Final Cut Pro to target Apple's primary users, a design decision that ruffled the feathers of editors accustomed to how the software already worked. Ubillos has also designed mobile versions of Apple's Pro Apps.

Final Cut Pro X


However, there are many cases where faster moving apps, platforms and initiatives continue at a rapid pace (such as iTunes) while other products in Apple's portfolio get less attention, and fall by the side (such as most of the other free apps bundled with OS X). At the same time, the company has also incited criticism by simply moving to new concepts too fast, or decisively adopting designs a lot of people simply don't like.

In particular, Apple's recent fixation with giving apps fancy stitched leather and woodgrain trim details has generated contempt among its critics.

In the future, Apple's software design won't just be a collection of human interface guidelines that defined the original Macintosh experience. Apple has also introduced a series of touch gestures on both iOS and OS X, and launched Siri as a voice-based alternative to navigating iOS by touch.

Ive's task of directing the human interface design direction for Apple's future products involves a lot of different disciplines. It also must balance one extreme of creating a singular, unchanging software appearance that is rigidly enforced throughout the company (something that could quickly appear outdated or boring) with an experimental, flexible and evolving sense of design (that invites criticism from people used to things working a particular way).

Apple's design future will also need to balance the extreme of sophisticated, minimalist, utilitarian design with the whimsical, rich and customizable options many users like. In that regard, Ive is more likely to favor Apple's traditional route of leaning toward clean, expertly designed layouts, scaling back some of the flourish of Calendar and the oddball OS X Contacts.

Rethinking the status quo



However, based on Ive's own words about his design ethos, its likely he will want to do more than just ensure Apple has a unified design language across its software platforms. Ive's desire to rethink products from their starting point would have to require a fresh perspective of things that have grown stale.

For example, when the iPhone launched in 2007, audiences were impressed with its weather and stock widgets. However, despite years of dramatic change in the mobile industry centered around Apple and its App Store, the company hasn't given either app any real rethinking.

Being able to see live weather forecasts right on the map is technically possible, but Apple still expects users to type in a zip code to see a generic weather widget card for a given area.

There are already third party apps that acknowledge that the weather in any given neighborhood of San Francisco is very different, so why doesn't Apple recognize this?

And Apple's Stocks widget still taps into the pathetic news feeds of Yahoo's spam-Finance, which is even worse now that in it was in 2007. Has nobody at Apple checked the company's stock price recently? The Stocks widget, apart from getting Siri integration, offers nothing more than a series of worthless links to click-through sites that offer no insight to anything in the richly complex world of finance.

If Apple can't maintain all the new apps it bundles with OS X and iOS, it either needs to drop them or expand its resources devoted to keeping them fresh and functional. In comparison to iOS, OS X is even worse, with tons of half finished apps that somehow keep making it into the latest release (such as the odd grab bag know as Image Capture). Other incremental initiatives have joined and split in various ways, such as the strange mix of iChat/iMessages and FaceTime.

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Apple's biggest mess of a product is also perhaps its most famous: iTunes. While recently delayed a few weeks, iTunes 11 at least promises to rethink how the app should work, a very good sign that the company does indeed know how to fix things.

A bigger question is how valuable the company sees similar investments in rethinking messaging, or access to information, or streamlining free apps like Safari for pure performance and usability.

Cook has frequently repeated the notion that Apple knows how to say "no" in building hardware products (often boasting that all of Apple's products could fit on the same table), but its software is often scattered and directionless, a huge task for Ive's group to take on.

However, it appears that Ive has been chomping on the bit for the chance to do just that for some time, and the reassignment of Forstall's duties will finally give Ive the opportunity to redesign Apple's software as impressively as he has its hardware.
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How Jony does things going forward will be absolutely crucial to the future of Apple. 

 

Yes, yellow leather and 18 gauge thread (that's 120 for Europeans) wasn't the best idea. Windows 8 is a worse idea.

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I feel good about this. I really do.   :)

 

Put it this way: OS X and iOS already set the software bar. Each is the Gold Standard in their class. Each is to be found as the OS on the devices that absolutely RULE consumer satisfaction with an iron fist year after year. 

 

Now imagine if Jony had even more say.    ;)

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Fuck yeah!
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How Jony does things going forward will be absolutely crucial to the future of Apple. 

 

Yes, yellow leather and 18 gauge thread (that's 120 for Europeans) wasn't the best idea. Windows 8 is a worse idea.

I hope we don't end up with flat UI like Windows 8 with black and silver colors.

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I hope we don't end up with flat UI like Windows 8 with black and silver colors.

I can see Ive making it more minimalistic in a superfical way but not being so plain in the underlying aspects as MS is going. It's in the details that Apple and Ive under Apple has really shined over the years. I don't see MS being obsessive about something they think no one will notice, if if someone at MS does because that company seems to be run, unfortunately, by accountants.

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Dear Daniel Dilger,

It's "champing," not "chomping."
And it's "AT the bit," not "ON the bit."

"Champing at the bit," is the idiom you wanted to use, I think.
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Dear Daniel Dilger,
It's "champing," not "chomping."
And it's "AT the bit," not "ON the bit."
"Champing at the bit," is the idiom you wanted to use, I think.

 

"Champing at the bit, also worded chomping at the bit or chafing at the bit, meaning to show impatience or burst with energy"

 

It's perfectly fine.

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Small is not always better, even in this day and age where electronics for the cellular crowd are.
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Not to mention the failure to improve and carry forward iWeb.

And I also dislike the fact that contacts is not the same across the platform of iOS6 and OSX. I don't mind a notepad looking like it does in Notes or the iOS6 clock, or the other iOS6 icons, but why don't groups work on iOS6 like they do on OSX ?

The other items mention by others are also correct.
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Dear Daniel Dilger,
It's "champing," not "chomping."
And it's "AT the bit," not "ON the bit."
"Champing at the bit," is the idiom you wanted to use, I think.

A little googling would have helped you here. Both the words champ and chomp mean the same thing in this case just as at and on can both mean the location of something. I could tell you the original phrase but an imitative term dating back as far as 1520 has absolutely no baring on what is proper and acceptable in English in 2012.

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As far as consumer and pro apps are concerned, with the exception of lingering iWork, I think the rest of the apps are pretty good.  Final Cut Pro X has grown to be a phenomenal product, despite the PR mess regarding its introduction.  Music lovers enjoy Logic Pro & Garageband.  And iLife has been seeing steady updates.  iTunes will be getting overhauled soon.  Ive needs to first just focus on iOS & OSX.

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Things are looking up at Apple related to software!!!! Congratulations to Tim Cook for grabbing the bridle decisively and putting the right people in place, as well as obviously admitting his mistake regarding the head of retail and dealing with it quickly.
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iPad mini reviews just show that Tim needs to do whatever necessary to keep Jony around. Design and build quality getting the best reviews.
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What are you talking about? I and a lot of others like iTunes. What's wrong keeping everything together?
 


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Not to mention the failure to improve and carry forward iWeb.
And I also dislike the fact that contacts is not the same across the platform of iOS6 and OSX. I don't mind a notepad looking like it does in Notes or the iOS6 clock, or the other iOS6 icons, but why don't groups work on iOS6 like they do on OSX ?
The other items mention by others are also correct.

 

iWeb is gone and it doesn't look like Apple cares about it anymore. I have been playing around with Adobe Muse for a week. I actually like it. It is not as simple as iWeb but once you get around the new UI you will start making websites in no time.

 

My only issue with Adobe Muse is you cannot buy it. You have to subscribe to use it.

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I could really look forward to a future where UI design is driven by competition between Ive at Apple and the Metro team at Misrosoft.

 

(Although I think of Metro the way I think of the UIs on Star Trek: super cool, and the nerd in me loves them as much as the artist in me... but I’m not sure they have the instant intuitive usability that a mainstream product for NON-nerds should have. iOS comes really close in that regard—the best that has yet existed.)

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As far as consumer and pro apps are concerned, with the exception of lingering iWork, I think the rest of the apps are pretty good.  Final Cut Pro X has grown to be a phenomenal product, despite the PR mess regarding its introduction.  Music lovers enjoy Logic Pro & Garageband.  And iLife has been seeing steady updates.  iTunes will be getting overhauled soon.  Ive needs to first just focus on iOS & OSX.

 

I think some added capabilities and interface dressing up to iWork right now would pay off handsomely since the public is now getting to see MS Office RT all stripped down and with a half-arsed touch interface bolted on... Being on par with RT Word and RT Excel is a lot easier than it would have been if MS hadn't shipped a crippled RT version of Office.

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(Although I think of Metro the way I think of the UIs on Star Trek: super cool, and the nerd in me loves them as much as the artist in me... but I’m not sure they have the instant intuitive usability that a mainstream product for NON-nerds should have. iOS comes really close in that regard—the best that has yet existed.)

 

LCARS is more useful than Metro is in Windows 8's release copy. 

 

That should give some perspective. LCARS can't actually be used.

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I could really look forward to a future where UI design is driven by competition between Ive at Apple and the Metro team at Misrosoft.

 

(Although I think of Metro the way I think of the UIs on Star Trek: super cool, and the nerd in me loves them as much as the artist in me... but I’m not sure they have the instant intuitive usability that a mainstream product for NON-nerds should have. iOS comes really close in that regard—the best that has yet existed.)

MS & Apple have always been competing with each other.  It just happens that Apple was kicking MS ass in design the 10 years and MS finally woke up and stole a couple pages from Apple's playbook.

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I'm kind of hoping there's more to this. There was a rumour some time ago that Ive was angry with Jobs because Jobs failed to acknowledge Ive's contribution to iPhone. Supposedly the whole touch device thing started as a project in Ive's lab (there's something about this in Isaacson's book too). What I'm wondering is whether Ive actually has a particular vision of where to take iOS and Forstall was opposed to it, preferring something more conservative, and that was the source of the antagonism between them. Pure speculation, but I really hope there's more to this than just whether apps should have fake leather and wood effects in them.

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I'm kind of hoping there's more to this. There was a rumour some time ago that Ive was angry with Jobs because Jobs failed to acknowledge Ive's contribution to iPhone. Supposedly the whole touch device thing started as a project in Ive's lab (there's something about this in Isaacson's book too). What I'm wondering is whether Ive actually has a particular vision of where to take iOS and Forstall was opposed to it, preferring something more conservative, and that was the source of the antagonism between them. Pure speculation, but I really hope there's more to this than just whether apps should have fake leather and wood effects in them.

We'll never know the full story or truth. I wouldn't worry about it.  Just relax & have a beer.

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We'll never know the full story or truth.

 

1000

 

Guess we'll have to wait for the biography to almost tell us half of what sort of happened.

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I truly believed in this guy, until the iPhone 5, which looks like a Frankenshit. Just awful design on the back, with the glass/metal/glass look.
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I truly believed in this guy, until the iPhone 5, which looks like a Frankenshit. Just awful design on the back, with the glass/metal/glass look.

 

1000

 

I just realized I'm going to have to scrap my Scott Forstall reaction images. And he had such good expressions, too… 

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How Jony does things going forward will be absolutely crucial to the future of Apple. 

Yes, yellow leather and 18 gauge thread (that's 120 for Europeans) wasn't the best idea. Windows 8 is a worse idea.

I have a hard time with the complaints about stitched leather. It's just not that big a deal. It doesn't add much, but it doesn't detract. How is the calendar an less usable because of the leather?

People make too big a deal out of silly things.
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I have a hard time with the complaints about stitched leather. It's just not that big a deal. It doesn't add much, but it doesn't detract. How is the calendar an less usable because of the leather?
People make too big a deal out of silly things.

 

You know, I don't mind it either. Calendar on OS X doesn't even have the stitching, which makes it subtle like Notes. Nice and simple.

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Jonny is the new Steve Jobs of Apple, or at least the closest thing we are going to see. Steve is gone, we have to accept that. Forstall was giving us modern versions of Microsoft Bob from 1995. Leather calendars are not tangible. You cannot feel them so it makes no sense to design a computer calendar around an old item which shows Forstalls age. The next generation of Apple users don't know what a leather calendar is, or a felt pool table.
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I truly believed in this guy, until the iPhone 5, which looks like a Frankenshit. Just awful design on the back, with the glass/metal/glass look.

 

I have a white version and it's gorgeous the way light reflects off of the bezel.  It's so light and fast I can't believe it's been 5 years since the original.  Don't agree.

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Jonny is the new Steve Jobs of Apple, or at least the closest thing we are going to see. Steve is gone, we have to accept that. Forstall was giving us modern versions of Microsoft Bob from 1995. Leather calendars are not tangible. You cannot feel them so it makes no sense to design a computer calendar around an old item which shows Forstalls age. The next generation of Apple users don't know what a leather calendar is, or a felt pool table.

Not sure where I read, must've been in Isaacson's book, but Steve Jobs did say Jonny Ive was his "spiritual successor." 

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I have a white version and it's gorgeous the way light reflects off of the bezel.  It's so light and fast I can't believe it's been 5 years since the original.  Don't agree.

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I certainly hope so.
I just got finished buying some Skype time on their website.
God forbid I'd be able to do that, you know, in the Skype app itself ....
Anyhoo, the Skype website has gone Windows8 wholehog.
It looks really, really clean & easy to use -- in other words, very Apple-esque.
Now if Jony is allowed free reign over iOS's look/feel, then this can only be a good thing.
I just hope that his new workload doesn't distract & takeway from his hardware brilliance.

Considering Skype is owned by MS, I'm not surprised.  I would love to see Apple scrap Facetime and develop a full-on Skype competitor and call it....get this...iChat

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A really good move, considering the amount of junk that is getting into iOS especially when that doesnt work everywhere. Probably the real post steve jobs era has begun now. As always we will have to wait and see what the future holds.
 

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By the way, does this mean Forstall answers to Jony now?

 

Forstall answers to God now. Read the news page.

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Forstall answers to God now. Read the news page.

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...what is proper and acceptable in English in 2012.

 

An increasing number of English words and their "new" uses have become acceptable this century... but it does not necessarily make them proper. On your side of the pond more and more photographers are writing "lense" when describing a "lens" (singular)... so much so it has become acceptable, although it is neither proper nor correct. Let's just hope, in order to keep this "on thread", that Jony Ive will uphold standards... but of course, he is a Brit  ;~)

 

PS: My feeling is that in fifty years time historians might look back and declare that the universal use of Twitter put the final nail in the lid of the coffin burying proper English.

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I like the idea of the look of the OS matching the hardware (like Aqua originally did with the Bondi iMac), but obviously design is about far more than just a colour scheme.

 

More important is intuitive things like using drag and drop in the right place, or pinch to zoom etc, where the human interface is so intuitive it just disappears. But some apps have so much functionality, e.g. 200 different menu functions, that there just isn't an intuitive gesture (or place to click etc.) for every one of them, or is there?! :)

 

And there are some who argue that human beings work more quickly with words, so trying to make everything graphical is wrong-headed, i.e. a word can represent an abstract concept, but as soon as you try to draw it you are forced to concretise the concept to some particular instance or another, which is then misleading about what the button does.

 

And the whole idea of buttons, sliders etc is a control panel metaphor, that goes back to before monitors. People used to have banks of controls and then monitors were invented, and they just drew the same old controls on the monitor! That seems like it needs a rethink.

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There is never going to be a single design language that will please everyone out there, and with the sheer amount of users iOS has, there will always be a huge number of vocal critics, no matter which direction they head into.

As for minimalism, I dont see how much more minimal iOS can get without looking like the sea of white that are google apps, or massive text over solid colors that is Win8 design style. Its pretty minimal as is, and apart from a couple textures in some apps (which I dont mind in the least, gives some personality and some differentiation) theres nothing thats there that doesnt need to be there.

Oh, and Ill be pissed if Ive takes away my woodgrain bookshelf. Dont get the hate about that, its the most gorgeous app on iOS or anywhere. What the **** would people prefer, a text list? Its beautiful and functional.
post #39 of 132
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You know, I don't mind it either. Calendar on OS X doesn't even have the stitching, which makes it subtle like Notes. Nice and simple.

 

The only problem I have with it is that it has encouraged the tedious use of the word 'skeuomorphism' all over the blogosphere.

post #40 of 132

I have a groovy feeling about this as well. It's going to create a lot of bitching and moaning, however, once things start to change. As forward thinking as a lot of Mac users are, sometimes small changes bring about great fury. I've read hundreds of posts regarding the thinner iMac. Many people don't understand why this is a valuable design concept.

 

I hope Ive and his team respond quickly to valid user complaints (hello...where is the Select All button in Mail and Camera). If they eat their own dogfood and use the hell out of their creations, I don't think this will be a problem.

 

(Psst...can we have the option to show the iPhone keyboard with one more row of frequently used punctuation marks?)

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