Jony Ive's minimalist designs could reshape the future of iOS, OS X - Page 4

Originally Posted by adrianward 

Saying that many of OS X's apps are half-finished (by describing Image Capture as an "odd grab bag") the author demonstrates that perhaps he isn't aware of the heritage of the operating system. Image Capture serves a very good purpose, and there's a very important reason it stays within OS X, yet isn't used by most users.

Understanding that an operating system must satisfy not only the superficial users who aren't interested in stuff they "don't get", but also those users who rely and trust these unheard of features for their work is fundamental to getting any overhaul correct. Ive is the right man for the job, because he has demonstrated he is capable of doing this with hardware, which in my mind must be even harder than with software.

Remember when Jobs stood up and announced NTLMv2 authentication in Kerberos by saying "whatever that is"? This perfectly describes how different people come to need different things from the same product - you can't just remove it because it's obscure and very few people use it, but you can rethink it and make it easier and better for those that do need, and transparent for those that don't. And this is where Apple win and Microsoft fail. Big time.

Originally Posted by v5v 

 

The "grad student" remark was supposed to be funny. I withdraw it in the interest of not muddying the discussion.

 

My point was, and is, that even big, respected organizations sometimes get basic, fundamental stuff wrong, because even big, respected organizations are run by people and people are fallible. My providing a link that rebuts your link would be pointless, because my position is that it doesn't matter whether "Expert A" says it *is* a sarcastic inversion while "Expert  B" says it is not. Either expert could be wrong. Want proof? Watch the news on TV. Big, respected organizations sometimes get important details wrong. Read court documents. No better example of a system designed to wring out mistakes, yet they happen ALL THE TIME. How about textbooks? Do I need to go on? I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm just saying that just because dictionary.com gives a phrase a label, it doesn't mean they're right.

 

I'm not trying to arrogantly put myself above so-called experts. I am and always have been an utter moron. That's why I'm so sure they're mistaken -- the test is so simple that even a doofus like me can get through it: apply the definition to the phrase and see if it fits, right? In the case of "I could care less" it just doesn't. You don't have to take my word for it or that of any third-party expert because you can do it yourself. The phrase doesn't fit the model of deliberately saying the opposite of what you mean to make a point about the actual intent. Even the author at dictionary.com failed to explain the logic in the claim, even though (s)he made a point of explaining how it applies to the other examples (s)he offered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I'm not anonymous, I've said before that my name is Lorin and that I'm an audio engineer in Vancouver. Beyond that, my employer expects me to maintain an appropriate level of discretion. If you actually care to know more you can PM me, but you really needn't bother because (see next point)

 

2. I make no claim of special expertise. In fact, I claim that none is required.

 

3. I don't know how to be any MORE logical than to simply apply the definition the author supplied and see if it applies to the phrase in question.

 

4. Since a fundamental tenet of my argument is that so-called "experts" can be mistaken, it would be a contradiction of request 3 ("logical" argument) for me to provide citations supporting my position. But if it makes you feel better, here, try this: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htm

 

To me it looks like our "expert" at dictionary.com just plagiarized bits and pieces of this document to make a quick point, but failed to grasp the broader intent.

 

In the linked article the author does give a nod to the argument that it's a sarcastic inversion, but suggests that he, too, thinks that's an academically interesting but ultimately flawed explanation, suggesting instead that it's really just the result of people being basically stupid.

Originally Posted by Slurpy 

- I use the podcast app everyday. I think the tape reel is charming, and takes nothing away from functionality. The app is fully featured, intuitive to use, works well, and looks great. I use it for all my podcast needs. How the **** is it a complete disaster?

Originally Posted by bugsnw 

 

Also, the UI for many players (whether for podcasts, video or music) is often cramped. How about using that big screen a little more effectively? Why must I laser in on the play/pause button? I'm constantly hitting the wrong buttons or concentrating like a ninja to make sure I don't hit the wrong buttons.

 

 

I'll second this poster's desire to get rid of the stoplight window controls. No one intuitively understands what they do. I can never predict what the hell the green button is going to do from app to app. I think Apple could change this for new users so it's more obvious. And while they're at it, put all the window control buttons together. I probably mouse 67K miles per year using my 27" iMac. This can be reduced by grouping buttons intelligently.

Originally Posted by Ireland 

Podcasts is the worst app Apple has released in years. I hope Jony tells 2 guys to "redesign that slow, superfluous heap of crap". Heck, they could have bought Instacast for 500K, gave it a spit shine, called it Podcasts, and it would have been 50 times better, with far less work.
And when I say Notes and iCloud have serious issues, I mean in terms of the two syncing quickly and automatically together. Not to mention iMessage, which hasn't worked as advertised, for me, for at least 3 months.

bugsnw 

I'll second this poster's desire to get rid of the stoplight window controls. No one intuitively understands what they do. I can never predict what the hell the green button is going to do from app to app. I think Apple could change this for new users so it's more obvious. And while they're at it, put all the window control buttons together. I probably mouse 67K miles per year using my 27" iMac. This can be reduced by grouping buttons intelligently.

v5v 

Originally Posted by anantksundaram 

Ah, there you go again: you think the "expert" at dictionary.com plagiarized. As though the reverse could not have happened.

Originally Posted by quest01 

Jony Ivy is just a phenomenal designer and inspirational leader who will do a tremendous job as head of ios operations. His designs have inspired billions of people around the universe and I cant wait to see what he has in store for ios 7. Honestly I'm not a big fan of radical change so hopefully ios still has the same functionality maybe adding a few more features but doesn't distract from what ios is all about, which is about the user experience. It's about fluidity and smoothness and not about adding widgets, and live wallpapers which just causes lag and confusion. I think if Ivy does make changes maybe he tries out different designs in certain apps but doesnt radically change the layout of the home screens.