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 the iOS UI is more than dated at this point, the display is not even close to the resolution/quality of other 7 to 8 inch tablet devices (or even most modern smartphones) and the price is 'a bit much' for anything but the base model, especially the US $130.00 additional just for GPS/Cellular radios.

 

 

Come talk to me when when iOS devices no longer rule Consumer Satisfaction figures with an iron fist year after year, troll. 

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Nice tablet, but...
The A5 is now 3 generations behind other iPads, the iOS UI is more than dated at this point, the display is not even close to the resolution/quality of other 7 to 8 inch tablet devices (or even most modern smartphones) and the price is 'a bit much' for anything but the base model, especially the US $130.00 additional just for GPS/Cellular radios.
When it comes down to it, the iPad Mini is just another variation on the same 5 year-old iOS theme, which for many will be enough, but it does beg the question: Is Apple Just Running Out of New Ideas?

Look at the mini geekbench, its the fastest ipad after the ipad4. Its faster than ipad2 and ipad3... Yet another example on how spec sheets can be deceiving...
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I wouldn't count on it. Apple updates the bottom end products at a slower rate than flagship products. Look at the Touch, Mac Mini.  Since these are so low margin to start with, the wait longer to update them to extend the time they are selling with cost reduced components.

 

My plan is get a Mini soon, the give it to a relative when I upgrade.

yes but ... the mini internals are mainly iPad 2 components already. so ... they did what you say already. i think Apple just wanted to get a mini into the market for this holiday quarter, and this was do-able. the main new part that need not change for a V.2 next year is the new outer shell, and the A6 chip will be more cost efficient then too.

 

Apple just pumped out the surprise spec bump iPad 4 as well. they coulda waited til next year, but didn't. they might go slower on secondary products, yes, but i don't believe Apple thinks any iPad - including the mini - is of secondary importance. just the opposite in fact.

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One.

 

 

Only to trolls. And why should Apple care what they think?

you know.. if you say lies enough times it stands a chance of becoming fact.   At least in the world of politics and trolls. 

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Two. A5-->A5X-->A6

I am disappointed that you forgot to mention A6X to go along with your crazy logic.  3 Generations.. lol.. whatever.

By the same logic the iPhone 5 is  already one generation behind, and the new iPod touch is 3 generations.   And the iPod nano is like 10 generations behind.    

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Maybe with Ive we'll FINALLY get Boot Camp for iOS so we can run Windows Phone on our iPhones! I can't wait another day!

its comes faster if you hold your breath while waiting for that.

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yes but ... the mini internals are mainly iPad 2 components already. so ... they did what you say already. i think Apple just wanted to get a mini into the market for this holiday quarter, and this was do-able. the main new part that need not change for a V.2 next year is the new outer shell, and the A6 chip will be more cost efficient then too.

 

Apple just pumped out the surprise spec bump iPad 4 as well. they coulda waited til next year, but didn't. they might go slower on secondary products, yes, but i don't believe Apple thinks any iPad - including the mini - is of secondary importance. just the opposite in fact.

 

The iPad needed an update to the new dock, and it was a bit awkward with the phone having a much more powerful CPU than the flagship iPad, so bump that as well made sense.  It also gives them a chance to reset the iPad release schedule to fall instead of Spring.  You aren't one of those folks that think the iPad is going to get new models again in March?

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Over last weekend, I briefly played with the Samsung Galaxy S3 at the AT&T store, where I went to determine when they might be getting iPhone 5s in and play with the demo iPhone 5s they have. I also wanted to see what I would be missing if I continued with the iPhone series as compared to the top of the line Android phone. My answer was not much.

 

I was very surprised at the flimsy feel of the S3, unresponsive screen, confusing interface (chalk that up to inexperience). It is their top of the line, so I hear. It's a $100 less expensive up front for the S3, but that savings on the S3 over the iPhone 5 32GB is quite minor when you take into account the cost of the AT&T contract over 2 years. For the lowest AT&T plan ($40/month), over 24 months for the S3 the cost is about $960+200 = $1160, for the iPhone 5: $960 + 300 = $1260. So, it's less than a 10% premium to buy the iPhone 5 over the S3. 

 

The Samsung Galaxy II Note is $300 (same as iPhone 5), is on pre-order and does not support text or video messaging. Now why would anyone want to buy the Note, more expensive less functionality than the S3 and even less functionality for the same price for the iPhone 5 32Gb model. 

 

(Please somebody explain why the Note?). 

if you want some interesting math.. go look at what used Galaxy devices trade-ins are going for at Amazon.com.   Look up S3, S2 and Galaxy Nexus.   Then repeat for iPhone 5, 4S, and 4.   Factor in how old these phones are. I think you will be amazed. 

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Ironic that the screen shot shows a map but the base wifi model has no GPS function, making it essentially useless for maps even when using applications like citymaps2go that provide downloadable maps.

I would have bought one if it had GPS but I don't want to pay a $150 premium for a wifi + cellular model.

Looks nice though.

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Ironic that the screen shot shows a map but the base wifi model has no GPS function, making it essentially useless for maps even when using applications like citymaps2go that provide downloadable maps.
I would have bought one if it had GPS but I don't want to pay a $150 premium for a wifi + cellular model.
Looks nice though.

Can you explain why maps are useless without GPS?

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post #51 of 129
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I'm guessing that the V.2 model will get the A6X chip assuming it'll be retina.

 

And V.3 is likely a 64 bit A7X from the 2013 iPad 5.  If you do a two year replacement cycle then its likely either skip a year of retina or skip a year of 64 bit...it's a wash at the end.

 

I dunno, I thought the same thing for the iPhone 3 and I think the iPhone 1 to 3GS to 4S was the better route.  Next year I expect the phones to be 64 bit which feels like a natural cutoff point for future iOS updates.  Meaning my iPhone 5 will be below that cutoff and a bit like the iPhone 3 getting left behind much earlier than the 3GS.

 

If you want to skip the initial models I think starting on V.3 is better but that's 2 full years of sitting on the sidelines.

ok... so remind me again what 64 bit buys you other than bloated code size?   Do you expect to see > 4GB of RAM in the iPad 5?  Seriously.   Having 64 bit does NOT make it go any faster.


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post #52 of 129

Literally my only knock on this thing is that I was hoping against it hope it would have gps standard. I guess it was a longshot, since even the flagship iPad doesnt. 

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Literally my only knock on this thing is that I was hoping against it hope it would have gps standard. I guess it was a longshot, since even the flagship iPad doesnt. 

dont you just love Apple marketing..  they will squeeze out that dollar out of you by up selling you just to get GPS.  I'm sure it happens all the time.

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I would have bought one if it had GPS but I don't want to pay a $150 premium for a wifi + cellular model.

 

 

For the sake of accuracy, it's $130 more for the LTE/cellular model, which shouldn't be surprising to anybody, as that's how it's always been since the first iPad.

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I don't understand people who claim that Apple shouldn't innovate anymore. iOS is OLD. Just because YOU can't imagine an improvement doesn't mean there isn't one.
Edited by JohnnyW2001 - 10/30/12 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by Snowdog65 View Post

 

The iPad needed an update to the new dock, and it was a bit awkward with the phone having a much more powerful CPU than the flagship iPad, so bump that as well made sense.  It also gives them a chance to reset the iPad release schedule to fall instead of Spring.  You aren't one of those folks that think the iPad is going to get new models again in March?

i think we will see a newer iPad next Spring - IF Apple has something even better ready to offer. given all the competition now, i don't believe Apple will hold improved stuff back for the sake of annual cycles any more. as i said, i think a V.2 mini in the Spring is even more likely. we might see two incremental iPad udpates per year from now on ... iPhones are different, because almost everyone is locked into two year contract cycles anyway. so once a year fits their decision making.

 

but most of all, i expect an iOS 7 to be unveiled at WWDC that reflects Ive's new attitude. Forestall held back a lot of improvements, i think, because they were based on some of Android's good ideas. and Jobs probably agreed with that. pride + arrogance. but ultimately that's foolish. whereas Ive will possibly grasp their core essence, improve their UI, and make them beautiful too. and iOS 7 will run on all these several generations of devices.

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Maybe, but not a fan of the of the mini tablets, iPad2 is just fine right now :), I can see this as a move to take the competition to doors of Android as they are the only player presently in the 7 inch space (I don't think Playbooks are still around ;)) and market share might amount to something in the long run when eventually others start matching the quality and design aesthetics of Apple. I think they have enough new products to satisfy consumers for the Holiday season they cant expect people to buy their whole line up :)


Edited by Nishanth - 10/30/12 at 10:21pm
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Maybe, but not a fan of the of the mini tablets, iPad2 is just fine right now :), I can see this as a move to take the competition to doors of Android as they are the only player presently in the 7 inch space (I don't think Playbooks are still around ;)) and market share might amount to something in the long run when eventually others start matching the quality and design aesthetics of Apple.

don't forget the importance of the 100 million iPads sold to date. all those apps and content and info that people have added to them over time and can very easily transfer at no cost to a new mini (or iPad 4). that's the same kind of huge "inertia" market advantage that MS enjoyed with Windows all these years, and this time it works in Apple's favor.

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I like the Loop's take. Straight and forward, no holding back. Cheapskates have no sense in whatsoever, cause' they have to fix that piss poor cheap crapstic from google, samsuck, or whatever cheap manufactures.

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Nice tablet, but...
The A5 is now 3 generations behind other iPads, the iOS UI is more than dated at this point, the display is not even close to the resolution/quality of other 7 to 8 inch tablet devices (or even most modern smartphones) and the price is 'a bit much' for anything but the base model, especially the US $130.00 additional just for GPS/Cellular radios.
When it comes down to it, the iPad Mini is just another variation on the same 5 year-old iOS theme, which for many will be enough, but it does beg the question: Is Apple Just Running Out of New Ideas?

 

It begs the question, is DaHarder running out of troll comments to post?

 

I knew you'd be running your mouth here - you just can;t seem to stand the fact that Apple seems to "nail it" time and again.

 

BTW, do you use Windows on any PC's? Why aren't you whining that Windows has bee the same ole stale OS since Win 98? Icons in a grid, Start menu, task bar, menues with the usual "File > Open" commands....the list goes on. Until Windows 8 nothing really changed for 15 years. And now people are pissed about Windows 8 being so much different. Sometimes when something works you just don;t need to keep making changes for changes sake.

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Can you explain why maps are useless without GPS?

Seriously, are you expecting a response from these moro........ er..... maroons?lol.gif

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dont you just love Apple marketing..  they will squeeze out that dollar out of you by up selling you just to get GPS.  I'm sure it happens all the time.

For cheapos like you, it's 'up sell.'

 

For the rest of us, it's 'choice'.

post #63 of 129
When apple updates the ipad mini they will drop the price on the first generation and you'll be able to buy it for $299 or whatever. Problem solved.
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A bit off topic, but can someone explain to me why Walt Mossberg, one of the most well known tech reviewers, writing for one of the most well known papers, does his damn video reviews with a shitty webcam, with shitty lighting, at a shitty angles, with shitty framerates and shitty sound, in a ghetto looking room? He can't avoid a decent video camera, like all the other billion people that do their crappy youtube reviews that look a billion times better? I don't get it. The guy is a professional that reviews stuff for a professional outlet. Why can't he get some hald-decent equipment for his video reviews so they dont look like a blurry, garbled, ghetto mess? Can't the WSJ cover it? Its so embarrassing, I almost feel like donating him a decent camera. 

 

Had to get that off my chest, after stopping a few seconds into the 3rd review Ive tried to watch this month because of the abysmal, unacceptably horrible quality. 

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FACT: The A5 IS Three SoC Generations Behind the latest Apple SoC.

A5 - As used in the iPad Mini

A5X - As used in the 'new' iPad 3rd Generation

A6 - As used in the iPhone 5/6th Generation

A6X - As used in the 'new' iPad/4th Generation
I have no problem agreeing with you...if you promise to go away forever.

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Pssh, I can do that, too. lol.gif

How do we know your fingers are still connected to your hand?

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I have no problem agreeing with you...if you promise to go away forever.
A5x is just A5 with a gpu. Thats not a new generation chip. Iphone 5 has an A6 chip. Ipad 4 has a6x. Yet the iPhone speed is almost identical to the iPad speed.
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I love the "idea" of the iPad mini, but I won't be forking over any money for one until they make the display Retina. I simply can't go back to the "old" way of looking at things. I can remember when I got my iPhone 4 and my wife still had an iPhone 3GS. It pained me to have to back to that "seemingly" shitty display after experiencing Retina.

 

It would be the same for me with the iPad mini. I've had an iPad 3, so I've gotten used to the high quality retina display and crisp clear graphics and text -- I just can't go back a step with the iPad mini no matter how cheap it is in comparison.

 

When the iPad mini refresh comes out with a Retina display, I'll plunk my money down -- not before.

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I have no problem agreeing with you...if you promise to go away forever.
A5x is just A5 with a gpu. Thats not a new generation chip. Iphone 5 has an A6 chip. Ipad 4 has a6x. Yet the iPhone speed is almost identical to the iPad speed.
Maybe you missed my point. I just want DaHarder to go away. Forever.

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Newsflash!

 

Amazon lied in their ad!

 

Amazon claimed that the iPad Mini had a mono speaker, and used that lie in their misleading ad to try and bash the iPad Mini.

 

FALSE! 100% Untrue.

 

The iPad Mini has in fact stereo speakers. The iPad Mini is the first iPad to feature stereo speakers. 

 

Amazon's Ad Slamming The iPad Mini Has A Blatant Lie In It


http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ipad-mini-speakers-2012-10#ixzz2ArP9mMHu

 


Edited by Apple ][ - 10/31/12 at 12:42am
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yes but ... the mini internals are mainly iPad 2 components already.

 

Most of the mini's components are the same as the iPad 4, not iPad 2. The only component from the iPad 2 is the A5, however, even this may be slightly different (clocked higher) - a few tests have shown that it runs faster.


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post #72 of 129
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Nice tablet, but...
The A5 is now 3 generations behind other iPads, the iOS UI is more than dated at this point, the display is not even close to the resolution/quality of other 7 to 8 inch tablet devices (or even most modern smartphones) and the price is 'a bit much' for anything but the base model, especially the US $130.00 additional just for GPS/Cellular radios.
When it comes down to it, the iPad Mini is just another variation on the same 5 year-old iOS theme, which for many will be enough, but it does beg the question: Is Apple Just Running Out of New Ideas?


Just stop it will you?  Grow up for once.  Do you whine this much in the physical world as you do your online presence??  To say that your bickering is getting really old is an insult to the word "old".

The mini is already sold out.  The reviews are raving about it and trashing the competition and rightfully so.  This will be another blockbuster product, but not for you eh?  That extra $50 will just be enough to break your bank since you can't buy one for you and your dog.

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I don't understand people who claim that Apple shouldn't innovate anymore. iOS is OLD. Just because YOU can't imagine an improvement doesn't mean there isn't one.


Apple is innovating with iOS where they feel it needs it.  You sound like someone that doesn't even own an iOS device to know what it does.

Thank goodness Apple doesn't cater to folks like you that feel the need to have useless, resource-sucking nonsense like animated wallpapers.  You want junk like that, go ahead and move along to Android.  That way you can waste your time tweaking it to your heart's content and satisfy your need to have a 5-minute fix (every five minutes), and calm that ADHD personality.

Please let the door hit you on the way out.  Please...

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When it comes down to it, the iPad Mini is just another variation on the same 5 year-old iOS theme, which for many will be enough, but it does beg the question: Is Apple Just Running Out of New Ideas?

 

An Automobile Review, DaHarder Style:

 

When it comes to it, the Aston Martin DB9 2013 model is just another variation of the same 100 year-old automobile theme, which for many will be enough, but it does beg the question: Are automobile manufacturers out of new ideas?

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Love this headline from the UK independent. They give it 5 stars. Even without retina display. My guess is these won't be going up on Amazon's site any time soon. lol.gif


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......the iOS UI is more than dated at this point.....

So DaHarder, what in your opinion would make it "Not Dated"? iOS gets high consumer satisfaction scores year after year. So please inform all of us as to what would make it "Up To Speed".

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What is the speed of the iPad mini's A5 compared to the iPad2's A5?  Are they the same?  Where are the geekbench scores?

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I think the problem some are having is they feel the iPad Mini is nothing more than a smaller version of the iPad 2 . That it's outdated and too overpriced. The iPad 4 update may not have helped that perception because now some look at the A5 as two generations old. Kind of like Apple took sloppy seconds and created the Mini.

While I disagree I can see how some would look at it that way. The two things I hear people bitch about is the A5 chip and the lack of retina diplay. It's easy to tell if the price point is on target, if it continues the sell after the initial push than the price point is fine. Honestly I can't wait to check one out.

I will say that I have a gut feeling that the first upgrade to the Mini will be a big jump in performace. Apple is really keeping their foot on the gas when it comes to iPad performance bumps.

Sure, i can see how people might expect Apple to push the envelope with every device and how people might think that a Retina display in a smaller package might be cheaper than in the 10" iPad but we know it's because they haven't thought it through.

On another note, I really had no interest in the iPad mini until I saw this pic...



Sexy, sexy beast! Or, that should probably be "wee beastie" 1smile.gif.

I'll be off to the local Apple Store on Friday morning for a hopeful look-see/play. Since I currently use an iPad 1 with 4.3.3 - which I find fine despite also having an iPhone 4 - I am fully expecting to be pleased with it.

I suspected that some of the reviews would be favourable: it looks as though they all are so far. Good news!
Edited by AlexN - 10/31/12 at 4:48am
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I remember people saying after the announcement, "Reviewers will kill it for  (Not retina/Price/A5/etc...)".

 

Well it turns out reviewers aren't immature nerds who still think the biggest number on the spec sheet wins.

 

It looks pretty unanimous. The Mini is the best small tablet on the market (like it's big brother is the best larger tablet on the market).

 

Is it worth $100 more to have the best mobile OS, best Ecosystem, best build quality and best integration? Decide for yourself, but for me it is a no brainer.

 

The only small tablet I am considering is a Mini.

 

Some reviewers are going further. It sounds like some of them prefer the Mini over the iPad as their primary tablet, even if they had to get used to the lower screen resolution. That's a pretty compelling compliment. But it also makes you wonder how, after allegedly extensive research, Apple decided 9.7" was the optimal size. Regardless, these reviews prove Apple right, once again.

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Some reviewers are going further. It sounds like some of them prefer the Mini over the iPad as their primary tablet, even if they had to get used to the lower screen resolution. That's a pretty compelling compliment. But it also makes you wonder how, after allegedly extensive research, Apple decided 9.7" was the optimal size. Regardless, these reviews prove Apple right, once again.

If I was going to opt for either one I think it would be the Mini. I've never been enamored with the size of the iPad, feeling it's just a tad too large to be convenient to carry without a man-purse and a bit heavy to hold for longer periods of time. No retina display would be a livable trade-off. Just my personal preference of course.

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