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Alongside the release of iPad mini reviews, the embargo was also lifted for reports on the fourth-generation iPad, which brought incremental changes and tweaks including the faster A6X processor.

The Verge


In practice, the most noticeable difference between third and fourth generation of iPad is how quickly apps launch. It's not so much that the older iPad is slow to launch apps, but the A6X-powered model is consistently and noticeably faster to do so.

The fourth-generation iPad is the very definition of an iterative change: Apple made important things better, but neither overhauled nor revolutionized anything.



CNET


The A6X speeds up the iPad back to levels you'd expect, and it handles Retina Display graphics even better. This is the iPad 3S, so to speak.

The new front-facing FaceTime HD camera doesn't feel as dramatic as it did on the iPhone 5 or fifth-gen iPod Touch. For one, the iPad's screen is a lot larger; also, that high-res Retina Display can display a lot more pixels, so the average image just comes off as grainier. It's still better than before, and it makes a difference on FaceTime calls, but the rear camera remains the same as before: 5 megapixels, no changes.



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For now, one primary way you?ll notice that this iPad is better than the last version is in the front-facing camera.

It simply seems like Apple decided they wanted to push out a new iPad version before the holidays with the new connector and gave it a spec boost as a bonus. Why not do more? Because they don?t need to right now.





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With the iPad with Retina, there?s the sense that you?re paying for potential. The current level of apps simply don?t take advantage of the improved chipset ? save, perhaps, the browser ? but you?re getting the newest connector and the reassurance that your tablet will keep up with whatever App Store developers throw at it over the coming months.

The third-generation iPad arguably didn?t need refreshing; in fact, if Apple hadn?t opted to change to Lightning, it could realistically have held off changing its largest tablet until early 2013, as per its typical yearly refresh cycle.


It was reported earlier on Tuesday that preorders for the fourth-generation iPad were sold out, with the next available shipments coming in one week.
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Yep. They give us the fastest tablet ever made with the best screen on a tablet and the most versatile port on a tablet… 

 

And all people can do is whine.

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"Reviewers confirm 4th-gen iPad is merely an incremental refresh"

This much was already known...

The greater question is how developers will handle creating apps that specifically take advantage of the A6X's 'power' when Apple will still have devices running on the older A5, A5X, and A6 SoCs?
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I believe that the real reason that the new "4th Gen iPad" was released is because of the Lightning connector. If the iPhone 5 had not shipped with the Lightning connector, but the old 30 pin connector, I bet we'd have gotten an iPad mini with 30 pin connector and no iPad 4th gen refresh.

Apple could not be seen to have this new connector but then not have an iPad to sell to those who bought the iPhone 5 (and were new iOS customers and did not have legacy 30pin devices). Their two top devices, iPhone 5 and iPad would have different connectors and that would be bad in trying to sell to new customers.


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"Reviewers confirm 4th-gen iPad is merely an incremental refresh"
This much was already known...
The greater question is how developers will handle creating apps that specifically take advantage of the A6X's 'power' when Apple will still have devices running on the older A5, A5X, and A6 SoCs?

Same way that developers have handled this same situation on any platform.

 

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Let's see... Twice as fast as the 3rd generation... I suppose one could call this an incremental refresh, but it's a heck of a refresh for the same money.

 

No body mentions if it runs cooler, weighs less, or if the battery lasts longer... 

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No one tested LTE? iPhone 5 LTE is much better than the older implementation in the iPad 3 - Schiller mentioned improved LTE, presumably on par with the iPhone 5, so this would be noticeable improvement...
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I believe that the real reason that the new "4th Gen iPad" was released is because of the Lightning connector. If the iPhone 5 had not shipped with the Lightning connector, but the old 30 pin connector, I bet we'd have gotten an iPad mini with 30 pin connector and no iPad 4th gen refresh.
Apple could not be seen to have this new connector but then not have an iPad to sell to those who bought the iPhone 5 (and were new iOS customers and did not have legacy 30pin devices). Their two top devices, iPhone 5 and iPad would have different connectors and that would be bad in trying to sell to new customers.
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My speculation is that the iPad (4th generation) was the iPad wanted to release this year. The 3rd generation felt a little rushed to get the Retina display out there.  Overall, I think the 4th gen iPad is a great update.

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Yep. They give us the fastest tablet ever made with the best screen on a tablet and the most versatile port on a tablet… 

 

And all people can do is whine.

Until these devices teleport you from one end of the universe to another in a matter of moments, people will whine. It's a shame but that's the way it is.

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No body mentions if it runs cooler, weighs less, or if the battery lasts longer... 

 

iPad: 1.5 lbs. (1.6 cellular)

iPad 2: 1.33 lbs. (1.35 cellular)

iPad 3: 1.44 lbs. (1.46 cellular)

iPad 4: 1.44 lbs. (1.46 cellular)

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The question no one seems to be asking is 'does this now mean the iPhone and iPad will now have it's annual refresh cycle in Q4, just in time for US thanks giving/xmas'.  Now the iPad has moved, this leaves a big hole in the Q2 release calendar, unless Apple have a new TV product or other to fill that slot next year...

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Let's see... Twice as fast as the 3rd generation... I suppose one could call this an incremental refresh, but it's a heck of a refresh for the same money.

No body mentions if it runs cooler, weighs less, or if the battery lasts longer... 

Nope... Nope... and Nope (unless you count Engadget's rather 'interesting' battery run down test).

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The question no one seems to be asking is 'does this now mean the iPhone and iPad will now have it's annual refresh cycle in Q4, just in time for US thanks giving/xmas'. 

That does appear to be the case.

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Yep. They give us the fastest tablet ever made with the best screen on a tablet and the most versatile port on a tablet… 

FACT: They're not 'giving' anyone anything, they're offering it at quite a cost, especially for those who just bought the 'new' iPad only a few months ago.
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FACT: They're not 'giving' anyone anything, they're offering it at quite a cost

 

 

No shit. You know *exactly* what he meant, but yet again you take the opportunity to troll.

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it's not a pony! waaah ...

just a significant hardware update that was ready to go and gives buyers the best product Apple can without waiting til next year for it.

so of course that doesn't count. let's all go fawn over the new Nexus or Surface instead.
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I believe that the real reason that the new "4th Gen iPad" was released is because of the Lightning connector. If the iPhone 5 had not shipped with the Lightning connector, but the old 30 pin connector, I bet we'd have gotten an iPad mini with 30 pin connector and no iPad 4th gen refresh.
Apple could not be seen to have this new connector but then not have an iPad to sell to those who bought the iPhone 5 (and were new iOS customers and did not have legacy 30pin devices). Their two top devices, iPhone 5 and iPad would have different connectors and that would be bad in trying to sell to new customers.
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I thought this too. If they simply pushed out a modified iPad 3 with the lightning connector it would probably have been met with consternation from the press. The spec bumps help shift the focus away from the underlying theme that Apple is using this update to wrestle new users over to a new connector type.

 

Next year's release timings are certainly going to be interesting.

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post
FACT: They're not 'giving' anyone anything, they're offering it at quite a cost, especially for those who just bought the 'new' iPad only a few minths ago.

 

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Yep. They give us the fastest tablet ever made with the best screen on a tablet and the most versatile port on a tablet… 

 

And all people can do is whine.


I'm puzzled by your comment here. They're slightly editorialized, but they do mention the performance improvements, and refer to it like a refined 3. None of them make comparisons to anything other than prior ipads. What did you want them to say? I really don't read whining from any of these.

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Nope... Nope... and Nope (unless you count Engadget's rather 'interesting' battery run down test).
That does appear to be the case.
FACT: They're not 'giving' anyone anything, they're offering it at quite a cost, especially for those who just bought the 'new' iPad only a few months ago.

i actually bought an iPad 3 several months ago. my wife is happy with it. exactly how would i somehow come out ahead by now denying others an improved model now that it is ready?? i'd have to be a REAL JERK to think like you suggest ... i'm happy for them. whatever i buy next year will be even better. that's the way it works. you can only have the latest and greatest for a while. actually, the software updates are much more important since they benefit owners of several generations. what a sourpuss.

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Originally Posted by Nathillien View Post
They? You mean Google/Samsung. So that would be:

- Nexus 10
- Nexus 10

- Nexus 10
Right?

 

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The thought crossed my mind, is Apple moving to a new annular "tick tock" product cycle with the iPad.  March/April 2013 for the new iPad/iPad Mini anyone?

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A processor that's twice as fast is a "tweak". The iPhone 5 was an "incremental refresh" too. Ha-ha! Gotta preserve that market equity! Spin-spin-spin!

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The question no one seems to be asking is 'does this now mean the iPhone and iPad will now have it's annual refresh cycle in Q4, just in time for US thanks giving/xmas'.  Now the iPad has moved, this leaves a big hole in the Q2 release calendar, unless Apple have a new TV product or other to fill that slot next year...

 

Probably, just the same way the iPhone's refresh cycle was bumped from June/July to September/October.

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Let's see... Twice as fast as the 3rd generation... I suppose one could call this an incremental refresh, but it's a heck of a refresh for the same money.

 

No body mentions if it runs cooler, weighs less, or if the battery lasts longer... 

 

Runs cooler is a hard one for most of these early reviews to perform, but we already knew it didnt weigh any less.  At least Engadget, and I think The Verge performed battery testing, and showed a nice improvement.

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Well, the screen of the Nexus 10 IS better, by a not slim margin, and there is a good chance it's faster too, which will show when both are finally benchmarked. As for the last point, most versatile, Android is largely more open and adaptable then iOS, while iOS has more apps currently, so one could argue it both ways.

 

I find it interesting that AI hasn't said word one about the Nexus 10, or the Nexus 4, for that matter, nor anything about the spec and price bumped 7. I know it's a big week for Apple, but pretending like nothing has happened with the competition is strange for this site.

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Well, the screen of the Nexus 10 IS better

Better in terms of resolution, yes, but since the unaided eye can't see the pixels anyway on the iPad with retina display, the question is whether the Nexus 10 display has as good (or better) color accuracy and brightness--and how long the battery lasts at normal brightness.

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The thought crossed my mind, is Apple moving to a new annular "tick tock" product cycle with the iPad.  March/April 2013 for the new iPad/iPad Mini anyone?

 

I had that same thought, and it would make sense, as it's worked very well for Intel.

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I find it interesting that AI hasn't said word one about the Nexus 10, or the Nexus 4, for that matter, nor anything about the spec and price bumped 7. I know it's a big week for Apple, but pretending like nothing has happened with the competition is strange for this site.

 

I find it interesting that you weren't here yesterday: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/29/google-announces-nexus-4-smartphone-nexus-10-tablet-android-42

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Better in terms of resolution, yes, but since the unaided eye can't see the pixels anyway on the iPad with retina display, the question is whether the Nexus 10 display has as good (or better) color accuracy and brightness--and how long the battery lasts at normal brightness.

no! it's all about specs, not about reality! don't you understand? what do you think an "android" is - a real human being? human reality doesn't apply to them.

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Better in terms of resolution, yes, but since the unaided eye can't see the pixels anyway on the iPad with retina display, the question is whether the Nexus 10 display has as good (or better) color accuracy and brightness--and how long the battery lasts at normal brightness.

 

So far the answer to accuracy and brightness is "yes," but by a tiny, anal margin, much like the higher DPI. Skil said "best," not "noticeably best." My 63 year old mother has an iPad 2, and can't tell the difference between her iPad and my wife's iPad 3.

As for battery length, at the same settings of brightness, it runs about 20 minutes less than the ipad 3, which isn't a huge deal considering that's still over 9 hours of playback.

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For some reason that one really made me laugh

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Well, the screen of the Nexus 10 IS better, by a not slim margin, and there is a good chance it's faster too, which will show when both are finally benchmarked. 

No, we do not know that the screen is better. What is known is that it has more pixels. 

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So far the answer to accuracy and brightness is "yes," but by a tiny, anal margin, much like the higher DPI. Skil said "best," not "noticeably best." My 63 year old mother has an iPad 2, and can't tell the difference between her iPad and my wife's iPad 3.

As for battery length, at the same settings of brightness, it runs about 20 minutes less than the ipad 3, which isn't a huge deal considering that's still over 9 hours of playback.

how the heck do you know? neither new model is actually in the hands of consumers yet. it will take an actual side-by-side comparison to even have an credible opinion, subjective as it may be.

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If I had purchased an iPad3 or the new iPad as they called it and to see it being called the old iPad within 6 months time would have been a little disappointing. Hope this is a one of thing so that they can align future releases to the holiday season in US and other places.
Edited by Nishanth - 10/30/12 at 10:24pm
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how the heck do you know? neither new model is actually in the hands of consumers yet. it will take an actual side-by-side comparison to even have an credible opinion, subjective as it may be.

Bump that! Cash907 is just talking out his/her heinie.

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"Reviewers confirm 4th-gen iPad is merely an incremental refresh"
This much was already known...
The greater question is how developers will handle creating apps that specifically take advantage of the A6X's 'power' when Apple will still have devices running on the older A5, A5X, and A6 SoCs?

 

Not a question at all, except to people who don't know anything about writing software. Developers don't have to write specifically for the A6X. For example, games will simply be able to use higher image quality/detail settings on newer processors, but will still run fine on older devices.

 

Tell me, do all Windows developers have to run out and update their software when a new Intel processor comes out? Or when ATI or Nvidia introduce faster video cards?

 

Just another pathetic attempt at trolling.

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[" url="/t/153922/reviewers-confirm-4th-gen-ipad-is-merely-an-incremental-refresh#post_2223453"]No, we do not know that the screen is better. What is known is that it has more pixels. 

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"Reviewers confirm 4th-gen iPad is merely an incremental refresh"
This much was already known...
The greater question is how developers will handle creating apps that specifically take advantage of the A6X's 'power' when Apple will still have devices running on the older A5, A5X, and A6 SoCs?

It's something those developers and the iOS community would have to deal with sooner or later. We can wait to start putting A6X's into the world on March 2013 or we can begin today. Either way, it was coming. If Apple waited til March, you'd probably post this same "concern" then. Why wait?

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The new Nexus 10 beat the iPad in all these categories-- Fast CPU, highest resolution, Modern looking OS, More RAM, and more overral features. 

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The new Nexus 10 beat the iPad in all these categories-- Fast CPU, highest resolution, Modern looking OS, More RAM, and more overral features. 

And then you woke up to the stark reality that you were dreaming...

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B.S. It is not "merely" an incremental refresh. On PCs, incremental refresh means 20% faster.

Twice as fast means the iPad 4 is a new generation of computer.

Realize that the extra speed allows new kinds of software. And every existing software - such as games - can take advantage of the extra speed.

The reviewers forget that the iPad is simply a blank slate. Software is king. And software runs faster on better hardware.
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