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Originally Posted by Russell 

 

Oh really?  iFixit disassembled a Fire HD and there are 2(dual) speakers on the left side and the right side.

 

Yeah? And why shouldn't it simply called stereo speakers. You know, one speaker can not be stereo, right? What is "dual stereo"?

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Originally Posted by ifij775 

Only one of these two companies makes a product with built-in ads. You tell me which one wants to please their customers?

Ummm, don't all smartphones have built-in ads?

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Originally Posted by jragosta 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480p
"480p does not qualify as high-definition television (HDTV); it is considered Enhanced-definition television (EDTV)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced-definition_television

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Originally Posted by Mac-sochist 

 

Really? I guess you never saw a TV ad during the years they were working their way up to actually having 1080 x 1920 physical pixels on the screen. (I was a late adopter, because that was a prerequisite for me.)

 

The FTC wouldn't allow the manufacturers to call any TV with less than 720 lines vertical resolution "High" Definition, so they invented the term "Enhanced" Definition. The FTC would let them use that for any TV with more than 307,200 pixels—including "Fox Widescreen" at 480 x 853.

Huh. Learn something new every day. Either it was an American thing that didn't really catch on outside the USA or I had my head up my ass during that period. I honestly don't recall ever hearing that phrase, but maybe I did and just don't remember. Or maybe I just dismissed it as marketing gobbledegook and banished it from my consciousness. Or maybe the head injury I suffered in the 1980s that wiped some of my channels is making the flowers bloom much more brightly this year, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Russell 

 

Oh really?  iFixit disassembled a Fire HD and there are 2(dual) speakers on the left side and the right side.

 

No, it's still one speaker on each side, with each speaker having 2 drivers. I have a set of two way bookshelf speakers that have a tweeter and woofer in each speaker. No one has ever called one of the speaker, a dual speaker because there are two drivers in each speaker. A speaker can have 3,4 or even 5 drivers and it's still called just a speaker because all the drivers are playing the same channel.

Looks like Apple is making Amazon nervous, and it should be. The iPad Mini is a far superior product to Kindle Krap.

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Originally Posted by matrix07 

Yeah? And why shouldn't it simply called stereo speakers. You know, one speaker can not be stereo, right? What is "dual stereo"?

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Originally Posted by DavidW 

No, it's still one speaker on each side, with each speaker having 2 drivers. I have a set of two way bookshelf speakers that have a tweeter and woofer in each speaker. No one has ever called one of the speaker, a dual speaker because there are two drivers in each speaker. A speaker can have 3,4 or even 5 drivers and it's still called just a speaker because all the drivers are playing the same channel.

It can be called stereo speakers, but Amazon wanted to point out there are 2 speakers per side. They are using that feature to differentiate their product from other tablets, specifically the iPad.

Multiple drivers are common in home stereos, but not on tablets. If Amazon called it 2 drivers per speaker then 90% of their customers wouldn't know what the heck they were talking about.

What I find more interesting is, the iPad2 & 3 have stereo speakers. Apple intentionally misleads people by only using the singular form, "speaker" on their spec page.

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Originally Posted by lostkiwi 

Good to see Gizmodo are up to their usual tricks.
They are basically the Fox News of tech journalism.
....and no, I am not an American voter.

What does that mean?  Fox News incorrectly reported the same story?

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Originally Posted by JeffDM 

I've heard of Enhanced Definition, but it's a rarely used term.
I don't know how to read the comment you replied to. I thought he was referring to the iPad's speakers having only a couple inches of separation.
Just the fact that sound comes out of opposite ends on the Fire is good. I don't like how iPad's sound only comes from one end in landscape mode, it makes watching video awkward for me. I wish there was a speaker on the opposite edge too. I haven't seen or heard a Fire in person, so I won't comment on its sound quality.
You do know that nobody has to upgrade every year, right? If anyone upgrades every year, it's because they choose to, no one forced them. Even though I think it's crazy, it is their money, even though the previous year's device often still works just as well. I went about five years between new Macs, two years for iPads and I'm at 2.5 years on iPhones at the moment.

I was commenting about how the whole speaker setup on the ipads are terrible.

I know you don't want to, but after listening to a Fire, you might like it.

I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves. Apple is controlling them like a drug dealer does his addicts.

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

Yep, I mentioned this yesterday.

 

The Kindle Fire is merely an ad infested shopping portal for Amazon. The iPad Mini is a far superior tablet. 

ALL types of media, whether it’s movies, music, books, photos or web pages, look better and sound better on the Kindle Fire HD than any iPad

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

 

That is true, I don't believe that it makes much of a difference, but the main point here was that Amazon was factually incorrect in their ad.

 

The best placement for stereo speakers on an iPad would be on the landscape side, not in portrait. If the speakers were located all the way to the left and to the right on the landscape side, then that would be the best solution, as there would be far greater separation between them, and I believe that landscape speakers are better and more useful than portrait speakers, because when people view content such as tv and video, their iPad will be in landscape mode and not in portrait mode.

Amazon was incorrect because they got their information from Apple's spec page.

Best speaker placement on any tablet would be the landscape side. And that's how Amazon put them on the Fire HD.

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

No, I don't believe that they did.

 

The iPad Mini will be the first iPad with stereo speakers. 

WRONG. You are factually incorrect like Amazon was. Should we hang you too?

ipad2 speaker assembly from ifixit.  I count 4 wires.

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Originally Posted by Apple ][ 

 

No need to wait until the weekend. We can find out right now. 

 

Phil Schiller confirmed it in an email.

 

I notice that the link is censored, but it's a site that has a numerical nine and a five in it's title.

 

http://************/2012/10/31/phil-schiller-clarifies-ipad-mini-has-stereo-speakers-following-amazons-kindle-comparison/

"It is stereo"  He didn't sound too proud about it.  Admitting that it's stereo and sounds the way it does, I wouldn't want to brag about it either.

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Originally Posted by JeffDM 


I didn't say I didn't want to try one, I tend give things a try unless it's simply ridiculous. I just don't know of a way to try one without ordering one, I don't think there is one on display locally yet. I have this standard for Apple too, I didn't buy an iPad 3 until after I played with one a bit.
You're still making a broad generalization. I don't know any Apple customer that buys every update. I know some people that are still using the iPhone 3G and 3GS. Apple doesn't control its customers in any way that I've seen.

It's good you have an open mind and are willing to try it.  Most people on these boards are not.

There have been many posts from people saying they can't wait to buy the latest gadget. It give's them the excuse to hand down the current gadget to their spouse or kid.

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Originally Posted by JeffDM 


Maybe that's a little different. Such as they're adding rather than replacing.
People on internet discussion boards don't necessarily represent the population at large.

You're putting words in my mouth.

I said, "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves...."  Adding or replacing is irrelevant, they're still upgrading.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by JeffDM 


You're clearly misunderstanding my comment. I wasn't putting words in your mouth.
I find it odd that willing to make generalizations that Apple controls its customer base and that Apple buyers are like a bunch of drug addicts, but you have a problem with my benign reply?

I find it hard to believe you still can't make the connection.

Of course Apple (or any company), do not control it's customers in the literal sense, but they do control them, or to a lesser degree, influence them with marketing hype.

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Originally Posted by JeffDM 


So you think I am putting words in your mouth by just using your comment more literally than you intended? That's a new one.
You're the one that generalized thus: "but most Apple users can't stop themselves." while later more or less acknowledging you don't actually know anyone that does that, other than people on web sites.
The phenomenon is not unique to Apple enthusiasts anyway.

Most adults know when to not take things literally.

Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true? I don't know any murderers, but I know they're out there.

I never said it was unique to Apple enthusiasts. But at least you finally confirmed it does happen to them.

Originally Posted by Russell 
Since when do I have to know somebody that does it, before for it can be true?

Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.

Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does. 

I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.

 

Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.

 

I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.

You of all people, trying to call someone else idiotic for saying things without evidence?  Simply unbelievable.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me where I claimed every apple user updates at every revision. I said "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves".

Seeing numerous post here, other forums and in the news is why I think that. Maybe if you didn't spend 7 days a week here posting 1500 flippant replies a month, you would think that too. 

To make matters worse, iPad owners bought what was the latest, then Apple f'ked them by releasing the iPad4 much earlier than normal.

San Jose Mercury News, October 25.

"The fanfare of Apple's announcement of 2 new iPads on Tuesday quickly gave way to backlash from consumers who say the short life span of Apple products is becoming worrisome - and expensive".  Expensive because they are repeat buyers.

"Apple has a loyal following of consumers who lust after its newest products and the emotional letdown of the short life of the third-generation tablet may have hit this group particulary hard..." 

"I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"

Another owner said, Apple should have told him "that in 48hrs it would be outdated"

"iPad owners in the Bay Area weren't alone in their frustration"

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Originally Posted by Russell 

[...] "I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"

I've never understood people like that. How does the release of another iPad affect the utility of the one they have? They can still do whatever they intended to do when they bought it. The release of a new one doesn't disable the one they have. It's goofy.

Originally Posted by Russell 

To make matters worse, iPad owners bought what was the latest, then Apple f'ked them by releasing the iPad4 much earlier than normal.

 

San Jose Mercury News, October 25.

 

"The fanfare of Apple's announcement of 2 new iPads on Tuesday quickly gave way to backlash from consumers who say the short life span of Apple products is becoming worrisome - and expensive".  Expensive because they are repeat buyers.

 

"Apple has a loyal following of consumers who lust after its newest products and the emotional letdown of the short life of the third-generation tablet may have hit this group particulary hard..." 

 

"I bought an iPad3 in August and I definitely feel cheated"

 

Another owner said, Apple should have told him "that in 48hrs it would be outdated"

 

"iPad owners in the Bay Area weren't alone in their frustration"

Bunch of whining, no meaning or purpose. Apple did nothing to anyone. Come off it.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Bunch of whining, no meaning or purpose. Apple did nothing to anyone. Come off it.

Just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.

Plus you never answered my question to your previous reply:

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Since just saying things about people without any evidence is usually considered idiotic.

 

Your original point wasn't wrong (other than the bit about people here, of course), but then you decided to claim that everyone who has ever used an Apple product not only wants to update at every revision, but does.

 

I don't really get why you'd think that, much less why you'd say it.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Show me where I claimed every apple user updates at every revision. I said "I know people don't have to upgrade every year, but most Apple users can't stop themselves".

Right here, in AI's forums, under the noses of 2 moderators.....

Survey cites brand loyalty in iPad mini buyers; 75% keeping their existing iPad, too

iPad mini buyers surveyed by Piper Jaffray indicate more than half already have an iPad, and three quarters of them plan to keep their full size model alongside their new smaller model.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/154021/survey-cites-brand-loyalty-in-ipad-mini-buyers-75-keeping-their-existing-ipad-too

Originally Posted by JeffDM 
Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.

I'd think those people, plus people who have been waiting for an upgrade, plus brand new buyers—either walk-bys who see the crowds or people who had been planning to get into this whole newfangled Apple thing but were waiting for the right time.

When I waited in line for the first iPad, I didn't hear a single testimony from someone who "just bought everything Apple makes". I heard, "I read about it online and it sounds just like something I've been waiting for," "This IS the future. Who would carry a laptop around after this?" and "My iPhone was my first Apple product, and it was the best phone I've ever had. I was wrong about the touchscreen back then, and I'm not going to make that mistake this time," more than anything else.

Wow! Two mods can't handle one Russel,  this is fun to watch!!!

iPad Announcement Spurs Trade-Ins of Older iPads

October 26, 2012

iPad 3, we hardly knew you! The release of a fourth-generation iPad model has sent the trade-in volume sky high for the seven-month-old iPad 3. iPad 3 owners came out in droves once Apple told the world their months-old tablet would be replaced with a model that has a sharper screen, a faster processor, and improved high-def video camera.

A new product release by Apple never fails to stir the secondary market of owners looking to upgrade, and the latest industry data underscore the buzz. In the 30 days before Tuesday's announcement, the number of iPad owners seeking trade-in quotes rose 80% from the previous month at Gazelle, according to Anthony Scarsella, chief gadget officer. 

About 70% of trades registered on Gazelle on Tuesday came from iPad 3 owners, Scarsella says. "The numbers completely flipped after the announcement," he says. "We were just expecting the iPad Mini. When (Apple executives) got on stage, people started trading iPad 3 in record numbers."

In total, Gazelle made 140,000 offers to buy back iPads on Tuesday, a 700% jump from the day earlier.

NextWorth also saw a spike in trade-in requests, says Jeff Trachsel, chief marketing officer. About 66% of trade-ins were from iPad 3 owners. 

http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/Out-with-the-Old-for-iPad-3-Owners/story.xhtml?story_id=002000003NSS

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Originally Posted by JeffDM 

Yes, you managed to prove something that we weren't contesting, and in fact argues for my assertion that those that buy every version are a minority. Only 25% of mini buyers also bought an iPad 3. It doesn't ask of their purchase history before that. Opening weekend sales would tend to bias towards those that do buy everything because that type tends to buy everything right away, so that figure would likely be even lower.

No. Opening weekend sales are by people with little to no control. People that have some control can put off the purchase a few days, weeks or months.

According to the Bell Curve, there are more of those types than the no control types.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

I'd think those people, plus people who have been waiting for an upgrade, plus brand new buyers—either walk-bys who see the crowds or people who had been planning to get into this whole newfangled Apple thing but were waiting for the right time.

 

When I waited in line for the first iPad, I didn't hear a single testimony from someone who "just bought everything Apple makes". I heard, "I read about it online and it sounds just like something I've been waiting for," "This IS the future. Who would carry a laptop around after this?" and "My iPhone was my first Apple product, and it was the best phone I've ever had. I was wrong about the touchscreen back then, and I'm not going to make that mistake this time," more than anything else.