I've got to give you credit, you're not half as crazeee :> as I originally concluded. Nice response. I have a tendancy to bottle things up and then BOOM let the all out on some unsuspecting soul. I'm rather bothered by the rampant, idle, wasteful, non-productive speculation on these boards. Sometimes people truly have good ideas that they have thought through, but mostly it seems like some utopian expectation of apple to do every thing for the "revolutionary" $299 mark. The only thing these people seem to illustrate is that just cause AAPL builds it, not everyone will buy it. (the noise over the iPod and its price for example...-> but I guess that was the macnn boards) (& revolutionary seems to be the up and coming word on these boards - ready to replace "confirmed" as most used word...)
I'm bothered that "these" people seem to have the idea that just because "they" dream it up, AAPL should build it. Sorry folks, but if even the greatest of IDEAS aren't marketable to LOTS AND LOTS of people (not just you) then NO ONE who has a decent business sense will build them. AAPL can't risk too many more cubes. Niche companies can build niche products in the hope that it will make them big. Big companies (in economies such as this) can't afford a high level of risk unless they are willing to potentially throw away TONS of money. Sometimes they will, but certainly not for every whim or "revolutionary" idea that some AI participant dreams up.
Good response - you actually have thought about this idea a bit more that I gave you credit. And no, I'm not an anti-digital-convergence guy, I'm just not a firm believer... I'll explain more later.
When I say snap on, I don't mean just on the headphone jack, with it's limited pinnage. My wild and crazy creativity sees something snapping onto the Firewire port and headphone jack, covering (and reassigning) the hold switch (adding slightly less than 1 inch to the height).
Just to give you a hard time I'll say, "Which exact attachments are you expecting to use this FW/headphone attachment?" and, "Don't you think that if Apple expected to do something like this, they would have included a better interface", and, "Do you want Apple to do all this or a third party?"
I do agree that i would be very very cool to add any number of things to an ipod in a small and slick manner. As firewire is a peer-to-peer protocol this potentially could be done. Perhaps not as small as you would like, and well, there probably arent' ENOUGH people to buy the attachments to justify building them, but it certainly could be done and would be nice for a FEW if such items were built. A lot of my arguments are based on the idea of a Return on [development] Investment (that the company would make significant $$$ developing and marketing such items), and not just because they could be build or that someone would enjoy using the iPod for a large number of purposes. Again, cool ideas with no "business case" won't be built. Bluetooth toasters just arent' going to take off in the near future. I have a toaster - it works fine, why would I need bluetooth? Would it be cool? Yes. Would people buy it? Few...
[quote]What you are talking about is a shared ground situation, works fine for mono cell phone-quality jabra crap. I want stereo, that means at least three pins for the headphones and three for the (stereo) microphone(s). It is possible that the headphone jack is software switchable, allowing audio in, leaving the other three pins still unaccounted for, but I doubt they'd do it that way.<hr></blockquote>
Good call. Nailed me on that one. Touche. I do thing that no audio-in was a mistake. And I doubt its software switchable (though it COULD be). Perhaps, again, its like the first Gen iBooks without firewire. Perhaps in July the iPod will mysteriously be sold as "Now with Audio in!". Apple is good at that. They leave out features in the RevA so they can throw it in later and keep selling the ALMOST identical machine 8 months later for the same price. Although, my Rev A iMac did have IR and nothing after Rev C (B?) has ever had it - or ever will.
I thought I already explained my pricing scheme. You seem to forget that many people are not just using their iPods for mp3s. Myself included.
Let me see if I understand your pricing scheme. $400 for the base iPod. All other items are "sold separately" for the prices you originally quoted? Fine, you have your pricing idea. I say that NO ONE (other than you and Joe and Phil and Derryl) will spend an additional $400 for JUST a cell phone add on. And I don't know where you live ( the land of expensive cell phones evidently...) but NO ONE buys a cell phone around here for more than $100. Most are sold (with service plan of course) for around $50. Tri-mode, WAP enabled phones. Again, I think that Handspring is an example of "add ons" marketing that failed. They've basically dropped the Springboard idea will all their newest products. Even the VisorPhone isn't more than $50.
There are plenty of cell phones that sell for over $400, but again, you're bringing up the money thing. Of course it wouldn't be $400. I think an addressbook is completely appropriate, especially if it can call the numbers. I'd happily put one in as it is - it wouldn't take up much space. I don't dial many random numbers with my cell phone, and I'd be happy to replace the dialpad with that scroll wheel. If you're a hardcore on-the-road business guy, then you have your powerbook with you anyway, and you would enter contacts in as you would mp3s. (PS I bought a rotary phone on Ebay recently, the classic Ericophone in flesh-tone beige )
Cellular companies sell the phone at a loss. They make up for it via the service plan. AAPL isn't a cellular service provider, they can't subsidize the sales of their hardware to improve customer acceptance. So how would it NOT be $400??? I'd buy two iPods AND a cell phone before I'd buy an iPod and then spend $400 on a "cell phone" attachment. Heck, I'd buy 4 cell phones (at $50 each) and use the other $200 to pay the bill before I'd buy an attachment. But that's me, not you. Evidently you appreciate the iPod enought to forego the economy of purchasing common products (fully functional) and would spend your hard earned bucks for the beauty of an enhanced iPod.
Address book incorporated into the iPod - Sure. Software can take care of that -> integrate with palm desktop or ??? Sure, good idea. Totally. Perhaps even software that could sync or dial your "cheap" cell phone using your address book. Totally applicable, rather universal...
Nice purchase on the rotary phone. I won't buy a cell phone unless I can get one that sounds exactly the same as a 70's rotary phone when it rings...
I wouldn't buy a wireless add-on for games, and I wouldn't expect Apple to market it as such. But if I had one, why not game with it? <hr></blockquote>
So WHY would you want the wireless add on - just cause it's cool? AAPL should spend the R&D on adding wireless capabilites to their product on the off chance that someone will develop games for it? EVERY iPod user would have to make full use of the wireless capabilites before they would even consider building it in. And what on earth would EVERYONE use wireless for? Certainly they wouldn't replace the rather efficient, elegant Firewire implementation just to be "revolutionary" and be "wireless" [/buzzwords]
So tell me again, WHY? does it need to be wireless? Check your stock quotes on an iPod? Read your email (and respond- HAH!) on an iPod? Browse the company intranet and read PDF's and submit reports with an iPod from the park? Why???
I'm rather certain that EVERY individual who purchases an iPod listens to music on it. The same can't (couldn't) be said for other options.
I [am] very glad. It already makes my life easier and gives it a good soundtrack. And the name Pod definately means it can do anything I imagine! It is sure to have an analog modeling synth engine in the next software update. I'm only talking about a few non-niche markets (dictation, telecom, wireless computing and home entertainment/automation).
What's a gprs modem?
Wow, we certainly don't agree on the usage of the word niche or Pod. Pod seems to say that it holds or stores things well. Like a pea pod hold/stores peas. Music, files, Addresses. Sure. Control your stereo (remote) or start your car or turn on the blender, no. Niche? Only know one person who semi-regularly uses dictation software. Analog modeling synth engine? to replicate a human voice? Yep, apple regularly updates the "speech" voices don't they? New voices for a new OS (OS X) right? Definitely everyone needs to have Victoria (high quality) or Ralph tell them the name of the next track or the time or how much space is left or to recite the last paragraph I dicatated to it or to read me "1984" as I wait for my flight to leave? I'm glad you're sure that it will be in the next software rev - its universally useful isn't it. [/sarcasm] ('tis a cool idea though - just ain't gonna happen any time soon...)
wireless computing??? Well 802.11 is the most popular wireless technology associated with computing and that's neither ubiquitous nor wireless computing. Just wireless networking... Ricochet - there you're getting closer to wireless computing. Hopefully Aerie networks can make something of Metricom's assets. GPRS is standard for wireless data transfer on updated GSM networks (cellular). CDMA 1xRTT, 1xEVDO and 1xEVDV are data protocols for digital CDMA networks. GPRS and 1xRTT are just getting rolled out. Neither will match Ricochet for transfer rates. Neither is ubiquitous nor even on the verge of consumer acceptance. Definite niche market stuff... Home entertainment/automation? The automation of home entertainment? Sure everyone has a TV & VCR & stereo. Some have DVD players. I don't know anyone (other than Andy Ihnako (sp?)
) who uses X11 style automation in their home... Remote controls yes - but 99% of people I know have 3 remotes they use for 3 different home entertainment components. The one person I know who did buy a universal remote had either really old stuff or stuff newer than the remote that wouldn't work with it. I can make my HP calculator control all sorts of home entertainment stuff. Do I use it? Never. The standard remote does its job well. Niche Niche niche!
No, my iPod (in my hand) would tell me if my Segway (in the garage) was low on juice. I never said anything about the iPod's juice.
A lack of clarity (omission) in your original does not make my statement accusatory or wrong. (just so you know). Thanks for clarifying the idea. Where in the segway specs does it say that it is bluetooth enabled? And what REALLY is bluetooth range? Lets hope my office isn't higher than the 3rd floor and that I dont' park my segway in sub basement parking level 7.
And how on earth is my iPod going to know how far my segway is from the grocery store? Or if the wind is blowing and is going to cause my Segway to use more juice than expected.
That computing will be up to you.
Good, I'm sure glad that bluetooth can help me narrow my computing to a reasonable (windspeed/friction) level.
Speaking of buzzwords, you mentioned digital convergence. This is for real, like it or not. We are about to see many "all in one" handhelds, and Apple might have just snuck there's in.
"This is real, like it or not." Bwa Haa Haa!!!
Hmmm. Hmmm. Is that to say that I sound "anti-technology"? I spend far too time "keeping up" with this stuff to hate it.
Digital convergence is a thread all its own. I'm not a believer. And I'll argue you to the death on that one until you prove me wrong
Certainly some things are converging - so I am a hippocrite. But for clarity I would retort to your statement of "This is for real, like it or not" by saying that there is NO (please prove me wrong) product that embodies the Digital Convergence as it is intended to be. Handspring treo and all the other PDA cell phones are totally in their infancy. Many Cell phones, "Now with PDA capabilities" aren't used for anything more than as a phone with a listing of commonly used numbers. They're lemons with wacky, unconsistant, frustrating UI's. Do ALL that stuff with that LITTLE screen? Hand held PC's are all the rage, right? You know, the old ones that used Windows CE 2.0 and are the size of a philly cheese steak sandwich? Here's hoping the Treo takes off and is a hit. Cell phone/pda SHOULD be something people will buy and use. I know many people would like/use a Treo like object. But it would also have to have data transfer rates at about 56 k before people will enjoy using them. Slower than that is a HORRIBLE, frustrating experience. And the service (cellular) providers still haven't figured out how to bill people. By the minute for totally slow transfer rates (that the service provider controls and can keep slow) or by the kilobyte, where if you look at any sites with no ascii text or lots of flash you'll have to remortgage the house? Digital convergence is an idea. A theory. It would be nice to have one device that would do everything I, you, she, he, it, you, we, they wanted it to do. People are too particuar with what they want and will use. If the idea of a digital convergence were true, the wouldn't we all drive one of say 4 vehicles? One car, one truck, one Suv and one motorcycle. All cars do basically the same thing, so why do I want one different from my neighbor? Everyone uses a cell phone and a pda and a remote, so why doesn't everyone buy an iPod and all its extras? Why do some cars have heated seats and others don't? Why don't all cars come with air conditioning? Why don't all cars have wireless capabilities? Why doesn't apple make a car with wireless capabilities that will know how far I'm planning on driving today and will tell me to use my Segway and not it? I think cars should come with built in "pda's" that I can sync wirelessly from the house so I can have my grocery list in the car. No, wait!!! Every car should have a slot for my iPaq, Visor edge, Treo, Palm VII, Symbian, Symbol, Jornada, Cassiopia, Psion, so that I can use the build in GPS to see where I'm going, or read my email, or get stock quotes, or log my mileage, or ...
If anything, this world will become more and more cluttered with separate solitary devices. Some people like palm, some like Nokia, some like compaq, some like apple but can't afford it. How on earth will one company suddenly replace everyone's tastes and purchase ideas. Lots of people get a phone based only on what kind of a service plan comes with it. They don't care about the phone at all, just that the plan matches their needs. How will an all in one device solve that? It won't! As much as I, along with you, wish that this mumbo jumbo of separate devices could unite, that's as likely as asking the former yugoslavia ethnic groups to unite as one, or for quebec to stop being different or for the Basque people to stop wanting to be their own people. People are different and have completely different tastes, needs, and spending limits. If anything we will have more solitary devices than four "digital convergence" devices (four brands) that do "everything."
Its a goal, nothing more, and it ain't gonna happen... (proove me wrong, and I'll buy the product that proves me wrong the moment you point it out!)
Enjoyed your comeback,
Can't wait for the next one!
mmm, chicken foam!!!
Thank you for your constructive follow-up. Do you have an iPod? Maybe you'd like my ideas better if you did.
If only my personal situation could withstand the impact of $400 departing my account. I have other more demanding priorities (unavoidable) right now. Perhaps in a year, or maybe a rich uncle will buy it for me? I'd love to have one, and I'd love it if it could do everything, but that's not realistic, so I'll be happy with what it has and one day I'll get one?
oh, and wireless is a buzzword, even if the others are not...
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