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post #41 of 61
11/2/12 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by ipen View Post

I doubt Apple will be profitable if it becomes an USA only company.  Who in the US is going to buy a $1500 iphone made in USA?  Very few...

They can still make the goods in China. Foxconn can fire approximately 500,000 workers, and the products can be sold exclusively only in the USA. Of course the overall profits would take a big hit, but Apple would survive just fine. 

 

Then nobody would have to worry about any more foreign third world judges or primitive court systems in other parts of the world. 

 

My scenario is never going to happen though, so everybody can just relax.lol.gif

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post #42 of 61
11/2/12 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by lightknight View Post

The rest of the world would like to tell you "go f** yourself".

That's pretty much the same message that I have for most of the world.

 

I don't wish to get too political here, but I view much of the world as being primitive and ignorant. And I am very well travelled and have seen much of the world.

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post #43 of 61
11/2/12 at 2:43pm

This story is flat out wrong.

 

Apple has not lost the ability to us the name 'iPhone' in Mexico, and there is no chance of an injunction against their product.

 

Another case of our 'professional' news services these days running with the ball before checking their facts.

 

Watch what happens in the next few days as the truth starts making the rounds.


Edited by GTR - 11/3/12 at 6:26am

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post #44 of 61
11/2/12 at 2:45pm
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The rest of the world would like to tell you "go *** yourself".

 

Don't get riled up over it. Apple will make a business decision, which means they'll either paying off the holders of the "iFone" trademark, or (least likely) they will change the name, packaging and consumer info available in that market.

 

I'm betting someone gets a nice payday.

 

UPDATE:  www.theverge.com has actually done its homework and the way this story is reported here is complete bull.

 

From The Verge's story:

 

 

 

 

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The tech media, in love with the idea that Apple's litigious ways had backfired, took the story and ran with it.

Unfortunately, it just isn't accurate — while Apple did lose an appeal over the iFone trademark in Mexico, it has no bearing on its ability to sell the iPhone in that country, and sources tell The Verge that there is no injunction in place. Indeed, the iPhone 5 is already available unlocked on Apple Mexico's website, and the launch with Telcel, Movistar, andIusacell appears to be unaffected. So what's really going on here?Trademarks are filed in classes — internationally-recognized categories that describe what a trademark is for. So Apple has a trademark for the word "Apple" in Class 9, which includes computers, software, cameras, and mobile phones, and Apple Vacations* has a trademark on "Apple" in class 39, which includes travel arrangement. As you'd expect, companies like Apple file to protect ultra valuable trademarks like "iPhone" in every class they can come up with an argument for, since it protects against infringement and brand dilution. That's where iFone comes in — it has a single Mexican trademark on the word "iFone" in Class 38, which covers telecommunication services. Apple runs a few of those, like iMessage and FaceTime, and indeed, it has a Class 38 US trademark on "iPhone."

Apple already owns two iPhone trademarks in Mexico in Class 9 and Class 28, which covers electronic game devices. But in 2009, Apple's lawyers decided iFone's Mexican Class 38 mark wasn't being actively used, and they filed a lawsuit to try and get it canceled so they could register their own pending Class 38 mark on "iPhone." iFone obviously disagreed and convinced the Mexican courts that they were still using the mark in commerce, which is where today's ruling comes from — Apple lost another round of appeals trying to cancel the iFone mark in Class 38. iFone attorney Eduardo Gallastegui was obviously happy about it, telling wire service Efe that "iFone is fully entitled to the use of its brand name."

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/2/3591380/iphone-ifone-and-apples-mexican-trademark-standoff-whats-really-going


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post #45 of 61
11/2/12 at 2:59pm
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[" url="/t/154003/apple-has-reportedly-lost-ownership-of-iphone-trademark-in-mexico#post_2225767"]Mexican people don't know the difference between an "F" and a "PH? 

Seriously, who is going to confuse iFone with an iPhone? 

What does the ruling mean, that Apple will have to change the name of the iPhone in Mexico or something? That sounds ridiculous, and that is obviously not going to happen.

Screw that, Mexico is not an important country and I doubt that they are an important market for Apple, and I would suggest that Apple also pull out of Mexico. Heck, it wouldn't bother me if Apple were USA only from now on. Apple would still be a very profitable company if that were to happen, just on a smaller scale. The bigger Apple gets, the less the stock market seems to appreciate Apple. Let the foreigners all buy Android phones or Windows phones, because they wouldn't have any other choice.

Yet Apple has no problem suing companies that use the word "pod" . Sorry dude, but this works both ways. You asked who would confuse iFone and iPhone, right? You realize it was APPLE that filed the lawsuit in the first place back in 2009. So, obviously Apple thought that it was confusing enough that they wanted to take the name usage from the other company.

By the way, your comments like "Mexico is not an important country" and "let the foreigners buy Android and Windows phones" really makes you out to be a class A dickhead.
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post #46 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:05pm
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This story is flat out wrong.

 

Apple has not lost the ability to us the name 'iPhone' in Mexico, and their is no chance of an injunction against their product.

 

Another case of of our 'professional' news services these days running with the ball before checking their facts.

 

Watch what happens in the next few days as the truth starts making the rounds.

then could you do us a favor and link us to the correct story?

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post #47 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:07pm
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then could you do us a favor and link us to the correct story?

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/2/3591380/iphone-ifone-and-apples-mexican-trademark-standoff-whats-really-going

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post #48 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:18pm

Thank you very much sir. Very helpful.

 

I really appreciate the work TheVerge has been doing.

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post #49 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:24pm
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Left out of the AI article is that an injunction on sales of Apple's iPhone could be enforced, blocking it from the Mexican market according to the story. Apple has no rights to market/sell under the iPhone name in Mexico.

...was most amusing.

;-)

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post #50 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:25pm
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Thank you very much sir. Very helpful.

 

I really appreciate the work TheVerge has been doing.

 

They typically do the yeoman's work and get their stories right and well-researched... the commenters on their forums, on the other hand, are Apple-hating Android fascists of the first order.

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post #51 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by El Mexicano View Post

You must be a mexican in disguise

 

Who me? Nope, I'm not Mexican.

 

I do love Mexican food though. There's a a pretty good Taco truck (with real Mexicans in it) that comes around to my neighborhood and I often buy stuff from there. I actually had Mexican for dinner from there last night.1smile.gif

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post #52 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:49pm
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then could you do us a favor and link us to the correct story?

 

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/2/3591380/iphone-ifone-and-apples-mexican-trademark-standoff-whats-really-going

Huh!  That article seems to suggest that Google Translate may be less accurate than Apple Maps is accused of being...wonder if it's a beta?

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post #53 of 61
11/2/12 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Rodent View Post

HaHa, apple ain't the power that they thought they were since Jobs died!

Can't say I agree with your logic here,

But I do applaud the accuracy of your user-name! ;-)

 

(shouldn't be hard to answer that, I suppose)

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post #54 of 61
11/2/12 at 4:19pm

With iNolongerphone's marketshare in Mexico in the low single digit, it wouldn't matter anyhow.

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Left out of the AI article is that an injunction on sales of Apple's iPhone could be enforced, blocking it from the Mexican market according to the story. Apple has no rights to market/sell under the iPhone name in Mexico. I imagine the pressure is on Apple to come to a monetary agreement with the trademark holder sooner rather than later.

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post #55 of 61
11/2/12 at 4:21pm
Just call it 'AppleiPhone'' or at worst 'iApplePhone' and be done and move on. I deal a lot with registered trademarks and that would be the easiest solution.
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post #56 of 61
11/2/12 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by Commodification View Post

Just call it 'AppleiPhone'' or at worst 'iApplePhone' and be done and move on. I deal a lot with registered trademarks and that would be the easiest solution.

Might not be that simple, since it says "iPhone" right on it.

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post #57 of 61
11/2/12 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by boredumb View Post

Might not be that simple, since it says "iPhone" right on it.

True, Apple with have to create a special batch of iPhones specially for Mexico. While every brand would love to use one name in all markets, it's not uncommon to see the exact same product sold with different names in different countries.
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post #58 of 61
11/2/12 at 10:17pm
How much damage will Apple have to pay?
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post #59 of 61
11/3/12 at 6:23am
Originally Posted by capoeira4u View Post
How much damage will Apple have to pay?

 

Zero. That's not what this is.

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post #60 of 61
11/3/12 at 8:16am
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Yes, I'm selfish, I know. That isn't a crime last I checked.lol.gif

I don't know about him, but for me, it's not the selfishness that's exasperating. Good day anyway.

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post #61 of 61
11/3/12 at 8:19am
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Don't get riled up over it. 

 

Oh, I fully agree with your analysis, it was just the depreciating tone (towards the rest of the world) of Apple][ that I got annoyed with. Not that voicing my disagreement on an internet forum will make the world any better :p

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