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Friday's launch of the iPad mini has been eagerly awaited by physicians who are particularly excited that the device easily can fit inside a lab coat.

Epocrates, a maker of point-of-care applications for medical professionals, gathered data from 48 different physicians that use its products. One in three of those physicians said they are planning to purchase an iPad mini due to its convenient small size.

With a height of 7.87 inches and a width of just 5.3 inches, the iPad mini also passed what Epocrates called the "lab coat test." Lab coats worn by medical professionals have pockets sized 8.5 inches high and 7.5 inches wide, which means the device can be easily carried by a physician.

And 90 percent of physicians contacted said they believe the iPad mini will make it easier for them to bring the device between exam rooms and on hospital rounds.

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A mockup of the Epocrates application on Apple's new iPad mini. Source: Epocrates.


"Compared to the general populace, physicians are early and high adopters of Apple products," the company told AppleInsider. "A large majority of physicians own an iPhone, and the current iPad dominates the healthcare tablet market."

The medical community was quick to embrace the iPad when it first hit the market. For example, the School of Medicine at Stanford University began equipping students with Apple iPads only months after the first-generation device launched in 2010, while a number of hospitals also found uses for the device.

In 2011, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first diagnostic radiology application for viewing medical images and making diagnoses on the iPad. Professionals are allowed to use the application when a full-size workstation is not available.

And earlier this year, one survey found that more than a quarter of European doctors use an iPad at work, while another 40 percent said they planned to buy an iPad within six months.

But the latest input from Epocrates users suggests that the iPad mini could prove to be even more convenient for healthcare professionals than the full-size 9.7-inch iPad, which does not comfortably fit inside a traditional lab coat.
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BUT IT'S JUST A TOY, RIGHT?  RIGHT????

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Friday's launch of the iPad mini has been eagerly awaited by physicians who are particularly excited that the device easily can fit inside a lab coat.

See... it's just as pocketable as those other 7-8" tablets.1biggrin.gif

 

On a related note I've used Epocrates for quite some time now. I've found it darn useful.

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Yeah...I'm an advocate of Epocrates too. INDISPENSABLE!!!

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It's going to make for a weird prostate exam, but ok.

 

Oh, wait...didn't read the whole title...

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Yeah, but those ones get viruses. :-)
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BUT IT'S JUST A TOY, RIGHT?  RIGHT????

 

I know you're joking, but just sick of people who own Apple stuff being defensive. Let's start taking the high road, guys.

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I know you're joking, but just sick of people who own Apple stuff being defensive. Let's start taking the high road, guys.

That's not being defensive, it's mocking the moronic Apple haters who say stuff exactly like that.

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I know you're joking, but just sick of people who own Apple stuff being defensive. Let's start taking the high road, guys.

The 'toy' thing is worn to shreds, but for all the premature dissing of this new device (in this forum) it is interesting to see how it is broadly adopted. My prediction is that in no time it will become the iPad standard size and the iPad will become the 'iPad large'. I suspect Apple realized this early and that is an important reason for keeping the price at a premium. It will allow Apple to improve it with faster processor and perhaps a high res screen without too much of a price hike in a year or so. 

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In a recent visit to my health provider I noticed that they are on a Windows network but all of the data is delivered and entered through Internet Explorer. I wonder how compatible Mobile Safari is with many of these types of Windows proprietary network applications and whether an iPad could actually log in through Open Directory some how. 

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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?

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I love iPad mini. But why this makes such a news while other mini tables also comfortably fit into Physicians lab coat pocket.
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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?

Nothing specifically worrisome is being reported. Forbes has some comments here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2012/11/02/apples-stock-below-580-what-is-next/?partner=yahootix

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I know you're joking, but just sick of people who own Apple stuff being defensive. Let's start taking the high road, guys.


Come on Ireland... He wasn't being defensive and deep down you know it.  How many iHaters and trolls that infest this forum have said that over the years?  Of course, that infantile mentality has quieted a bit because "suddenly" it's okay since the Android got into the tablet space.

What's really sad is that even with all the tablet offerings, no one takes Android tablets seriously.  All the big corporate names, restaurants, airlines, government, medical, etc. all choose iPads/iPhones and don't even put the Android options into the equation, and of course the fandroid community for failing to realize the potential it could have had and their only resort is to insult consumers for expressing their "choice".

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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?

I guess they're trying to shake out the pussies.

 

As for me, I'm the opposite of a pussy. As a matter of fact, somebody called me a prick here yesterday (or an arrogant prick to be precise), so it only makes sense that I bought some AAPL today.lol.gif

 

Contrary to many reports, the iPad Mini is totally sold out in many places. At the flagship store, all white and black models were sold out within an hour, and you know that they had a shitload of stock. Also, many other Apple stores are sold out of it.

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How many iHaters and trolls that infest this forum have said that over the years?  

No need to even go back that far. 

Just yesterday, some people were saying exactly that.

 

Nobody should be criticized for mocking Fandroids, Apple haters and other clueless trolls who come to this forum. They have some deep issues and inferiority complexes.

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Wow 48 physicians, man talk about a large survey and only one in three plans on buying one or 15 of them are planning on purchasing them.  Everyone you only need 48 in order to have an accurate sample size, remember that everyone.

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Topeka Capital Markets’s Brian White, who was at the store this morning, writes in a report this afternoon that all of both the white and the black flavor of iPad mini are sold out at the flagship store, an hour after the thing went on sale.

 

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2012/11/02/aapl-gas-lines-sub-zero-weather-and-ipad-mini-stock-outs/

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Newsflash: Smaller devices fit in more places compared to bigger ones. Astounding. 

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I guess they're trying to shake out the pussies.

 

As for me, I'm the opposite of a pussy. As a matter of fact, somebody called me a prick here yesterday (or an arrogant prick to be precise), so it only makes sense that I bought some AAPL today.lol.gif

 

Contrary to many reports, the iPad Mini is totally sold out in many places. At the flagship store, all white and black models were sold out within an hour, and you know that they had a shitload of stock. Also, many other Apple stores are sold out of it.

According to employee Tweets, some Apple stores had only 100 total units on hand this morning while a few others had as many as three hundred arrive. 

One also reported upwards of 900 of the newly updated full-size iPads on hand


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What's really sad is that even with all the tablet offerings, no one takes Android tablets seriously.  All the big corporate names, restaurants, airlines, government, medical, etc. all choose iPads/iPhones and don't even put the Android options into the equation, and of course the fandroid community for failing to realize the potential it could have had and their only resort is to insult consumers for expressing their "choice".

 

The "Fandroid" community seems to include most of the popular press.

 

The "popular impression of Apple seems to be,

 

Apple is a bully, because it releases great products but charges too much.

A bully that needs to be 'Knocked down a peg or two'.

Doesn't let other companies compete fairly, by releasing products BEFORE their competitors.

Has the nerve to protect its IP against competing products that 'look similar' by using EXPENSIVE lawyers.

Has gotten  TOO BIG ! and therefore must be 'too big for its boots'.

Is making too much money, thanks to all these 'zombies' that queue up for / throw money at stuff they don't even need.

 

Could go on . . .

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According to employee Tweets, some Apple stores had only 100 total units on hand this morning while a few others had as many as three hundred arrive. 

One also reported upwards of 900 of the newly updated full-size iPads on hand

I think the main issue will be how many Apple is able to pump out, or rather how many Foxconn and other Apple suppliers are able to pump out initially. Apple's stockpile is obviously not unlimited.

 

I also think that people who are comparing this to previous Apple launches are totally missing the point. Those earlier iPad launches were plagued by hordes of scalpers. When I waited in line for the iPad 2 (unsuccessfully), the majority of the line was comprised of scalpers. I don't think that's the case anymore, since the device is launching in more foreign countries than ever and many people are pre-ordering. Besides a few crazy people and a couple of publicity whores, who really wants to wait on some ridiculous line?

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I love iPad mini. But why this makes such a news while other mini tables also comfortably fit into Physicians lab coat pocket.
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The difference is the iPad ecosystem (and larger extent iOS ecosystem) are thriving with plenty of great apps for people in the medical field. Many that have 10" iPads can now consider the advantage of a smaller version that will fit into their coat pocket as an advantage they may want to consider. With other vendor's 7" tablets all you have is that sole usability advantage.

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The difference is the iPad ecosystem (and larger extent iOS ecosystem) are thriving with plenty of great apps for people in the medical field. 

 

It is indeed. The last time I went to see my doctor, I bought one of those pricey 3D model apps of the human body and brought along my iPad 3. The doctor seemed pretty impressed.

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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?

 

I think the analysts are pessimistic about the new products and disappointed that Apple failed to deliver financial results that met their overheated expectations.

 

Today Apple lost a courtroom battle for the iPhone trademark in Mexico. I think that's amplifying an otherwise down day in the markets.

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I think the analysts are pessimistic about the new products and disappointed that Apple failed to deliver financial results that met their overheated expectations.

 

Today Apple lost a courtroom battle for the iPhone trademark in Mexico. I think that's amplifying an otherwise down day in the markets.

 

Analysts and markets overreact to every bit of news, so stay focused on longer term trends.

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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?


I wish I knew as well amoradala.

If you read the technical guys who see patterns in graphs, AAPL crossed a 200 day moving average for the first time since last November. Apparently this is bad.

But the most likely reason IMO is that many investors are selling because of emotion, feeling that Apple has somehow lost it's 'mojo'.

Some say that AAPL is dry tinder, ready to ignite. I think that there is a lot of blow hard analysts that pump and short stock, and AAPL is easy to pump and short.

Really sad that Apple has become a 'stock pinata', despite having great performance and potential future earnings while Amazon and Google get passes.

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I know you're joking, but just sick of people who own Apple stuff being defensive. Let's start taking the high road, guys.

A problem with text communication is that sarcasm and mockery gets confused for being defensive. Sometimes sarcasm and mockery is a defense mechanism, but I just laughed.

Haters calling Apple products toys is part of a defense mechanism to minimize and rationalize away Apple's successes.

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That"s great news !

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

anyone ?

Apple's movements are often exaggerated versions of what we see on the NASDAQ index. Some of that is because Apple is in the index, but rarely does Apple go down without other stock also going down too. The DJIA is down too. Most of the tech stock I'm watching is down. Google is up by a tiny sliver though.
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Lab coat pocket-ability is exactly why I ordered one. An iPad Citrix gives access to most of our hospital's systems, which is useful if a bit awkward. A native system access would be a huge plus, but even emulating a Windows NT screen hospital apps is still invaluable.
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Lab coat pocket-ability is exactly why I ordered one. An iPad Citrix gives access to most of our hospital's systems, which is useful if a bit awkward. A native system access would be a huge plus, but even emulating a Windows NT screen hospital apps is still invaluable.

Thanks for the info on Citrix. I had posted a question earlier asking how the system login was accomplished. That is good news.

 

EDIT: after reading the reviews on iTunes, users are very disappointed with Citrix Receiver. Major upgrade is a major fail as apparently no one can login to their servers after the update. 


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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?


That's because actual product sales have absolutely no connection with Apple's share price.  Only expectations matter.  Each time a new Apple product is released, Wall Street sets a random sales target number.  If Apple doesn't exceed that number the share price decreases proportionately to the amount of the miss.  Apple has been recently missing Wall Street's numbers by millions of units and overall the share price has dropped accordingly.  Even decent year over year sales increases are of no value to Apple shareholders.  Wall Street sets the expectations and Apple continues to miss them.  That's why Apple is dropping like a lead balloon.  With Wall Street raising expectations higher every quarter, Apple has acquired a built-in miss mechanism regardless of increased revenue and profits.  Apple's huge share price drop today was a no brainer.  It was pre-determined that Apple had to sell 3 to 5 million iPad Minis over the weekend or it would be considered a massive sales failure.  I doubt Apple had that many WiFi models to sell and the cellular model isn't even ready for sale.  Wall Street had already engaged Apple's built-in fail mechanism long before the iPad Mini was available to the public.

The scorecard is as follows:

iPhone 5 - huge sales miss by 50%

iPad 4 - medium miss by 25% to 30%

iPad Mini - huge miss likely to be by 50%

These misses total a $130 share price drop.  Not good at all.

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Giant lab coat pockets may be the only ones that work.

I was curious about pocketability so I went to the Apple Store. I left disappointed.

The iPad Mini is not mini enough. My Nexus 7 fits in my jacket and jeans pocket. At the store, the iPad Mini was a very tight fit in the jacket pocket. Zipper wouldn't close. Wasn't even close to fitting in my jeans pockets.

At the size the Mini is, it's not just portability. It's hard to grip the thing with one hand. The extra 15mm compared to the Nexus 7 made a big difference with a wide grip.
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You think he is typing in your symptoms but really he is playing Angry Birds :)

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That"s great news !

 

So why is AAPL dropping like a lead balloon ?

 

anyone ?

 

The corporate shakeup has the no-nothings worried. It's too early to tell if Cook made the right call, but on the surface they make a lot of sense:

 

Forstall out, but still tied to the company.

 

Browett out. Cook realises that the stores are Apple's public face, and so shouldn't be subject to the whims of the hack/slash merchant that Browett turned out to be.

 

OSX and iOS placed under Craig Federighi. This is fantastic news. We should now see both systems progressing in parallel.

 

Mansfield heads up all their new tech. I reckon much of that new R&D budget is going his way...

 

Ive in charge of the look and feel of both hardware and software. Can't wait to see what he comes up with, as long as we're not going to be expected to click on folders that are 'stunningly gorgeous at only one pixel thin'.

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The "Fandroid" community seems to include most of the popular press.

 

The "popular impression of Apple seems to be,

 

Apple is a bully, because it releases great products but charges too much.

A bully that needs to be 'Knocked down a peg or two'.

Doesn't let other companies compete fairly, by releasing products BEFORE their competitors.

Has the nerve to protect its IP against competing products that 'look similar' by using EXPENSIVE lawyers.

Has gotten  TOO BIG ! and therefore must be 'too big for its boots'.

Is making too much money, thanks to all these 'zombies' that queue up for / throw money at stuff they don't even need.

 

Could go on . . .

 

Yes, the first comment is the one that makes absolutely no sense: unless you are a monopoly then it is impossible to charge 'too much.'

 

The Android community is making the same mistake as the Linux community; instead of fixing the shortcomings in their own platform, they blame the lack of take-up in the medical sectors on the 'unfairness' of Apple.

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Yes, the first comment is the one that makes absolutely no sense: unless you are a monopoly then it is impossible to charge 'too much.'

 

The Android community is making the same mistake as the Linux community; instead of fixing the shortcomings in their own platform, they blame the lack of take-up in the medical sectors on the 'unfairness' of Apple.

Who even discusses "lack of take-up in the medical sector" with various OS's, much less Apple being"unfair" there?

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Who even discusses "lack of take-up in the medical sector" with various OS's, much less Apple being"unfair" there?

Yes, good point, I'm being premature here.

 

I should have said when there is a lack of takeup in the medical sector then they Android community will cite unfair practices by Apple. 

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Wow 48 physicians
, man talk about a large survey and only one in three plans on buying one or 15 of them are planning on purchasing them.  Everyone you only need 48 in order to have an accurate sample size, remember that everyone.

There are 'Android is more popular than iOS' surveys that are just as bad.
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Giant lab coat pockets may be the only ones that work.

I was curious about pocketability so I went to the Apple Store. I left disappointed.

The iPad Mini is not mini enough. My Nexus 7 fits in my jacket and jeans pocket. At the store, the iPad Mini was a very tight fit in the jacket pocket. Zipper wouldn't close. Wasn't even close to fitting in my jeans pockets.

At the size the Mini is, it's not just portability. It's hard to grip the thing with one hand. The extra 15mm compared to the Nexus 7 made a big difference with a wide grip.

I was kind of disappointed when Apple showed some guy taking one out of his jacket pocket in the video. I did not really anticipate it being advertised as pocketable. Pocketability is a minimum benefit in stowing the device but in no way adds to its usability. In fact being small enough to be pocketable actually detracts from its intended purpose in my opinion.

 

Even though you can conceivably put a Nexus in your jeans back pocket it certainly wouldn't be comfortable walking around like that and you clearly couldn't sit down without breaking it, so what is the point? I plan to get a folio style case for my mini. Whenever I go out for the day I either have a vehicle or a day pack or both, When I travel I have multiple options for carrying it. 

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I was kind of disappointed when Apple showed some guy taking one out of his jacket pocket in the video. I did not really anticipate it being advertised as pocketable. Pocketability is a minimum benefit in stowing the device but in no way adds to its usability. In fact being small enough to be pocketable actually detracts from its intended purpose in my opinion.

Even though you can conceivably put a Nexus in your jeans back pocket it certainly wouldn't be comfortable walking around like that and you clearly couldn't sit down without breaking it, so what is the point? I plan to get a folio style case for my mini. Whenever I go out for the day I either have a vehicle or a day pack or both, When I travel I have multiple options for carrying it. 

There's a difference between a lab coat and your jeans pocket. A lab coat is a perfectly reasonable place to store a Mini. The fact that it's pocketable in large pockets is a real advantage and should be advertised as such. Why shouldn't they? A number of Android tablets did the same thing. Of course, since that was their ONLY advantage, they sort of had to.
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Because of these overheated expectations Apple stocks were 700+ in the first place and now when everything (iP5, iPadMini, iPad4) is released the stocks are slipping down where they belong. Why? You got it right; because of the overheated expectations.

So Apple trading at 10 times forward earnings constitutes "overheated expectations" while Google trading at 20 times earnings and Amazon trading at 3,000 times earnings does not?

Amazing.
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The scorecard is as follows:
iPhone 5 - huge sales miss by 50%
iPad 4 - medium miss by 25% to 30%
iPad Mini - huge miss likely to be by 50%
These misses total a $130 share price drop.  Not good at all.

Really? So you know how much Apple's products that have just been introduced will miss Apple's sales projections? Do you want to pick my lottery numbers?

In reality, Apple's performance has been exceptional by ANY standards.
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