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Yes obviously Ive has nothing to do with it...I was just saying that it is a shame that the UK court does not recognize the Apple IP related to the iPad which is designed by Brit.

 

The case was not concerned with intellectual property - as the judgment said from the Court of Appeal. Look immediately above.

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Originally Posted by de Villiers View Post
In fact - you have got it wrong. The case was NOT about copying but infringement of a drawn design. 

 

Sounds like that's exactly what I'm saying.

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post #43 of 171

The funniest part? Apple added javascript to their page that ensures, no matter what screen size or resolution you are using, the link and the text on the main page will be below the bottom of your display. You are forced to scroll if you want to see it. Genuis.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/11/03/apple-hides-samsung-apology-on-its-uk-site-so-it-cant-be-seen-without-scrolling/

 

 

At this point, I whole heartedly applaud Apple giving the UK courts the finger, high and proud. For anyone that thinks Apple is being childish, I say they are responding to the court in kind. The order was immature and unreasonable. The response has been ingeniously alike in that regard. I look forward to the courts response. What are they going to do? Order Apple to apologize?

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post #44 of 171
Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

I look forward to the courts response. What are they going to do? Order Apple to apologize?

 

They'll certainly try.

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They'll certainly try.

As useless as unarmed UK bobbies. "Stop or I'll say stop again! And I'll mean it this time!"

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post #46 of 171
I wouldve just said not and kept it moving on principle.
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The funniest part? Apple added javascript to their page that ensures, no matter what screen size or resolution you are using, the link and the text on the main page will be below the bottom of your display. You are forced to scroll if you want to see it. Genuis.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/11/03/apple-hides-samsung-apology-on-its-uk-site-so-it-cant-be-seen-without-scrolling/

 

 

At this point, I whole heartedly applaud Apple giving the UK courts the finger, high and proud. For anyone that thinks Apple is being childish, I say they are responding to the court in kind. The order was immature and unreasonable. The response has been ingeniously alike in that regard. I look forward to the courts response. What are they going to do? Order Apple to apologize?

Assuming is was done intentionally to hide the notice I don't look at it as childish at all, nor really something unexpected. Florian Mueller has a different word to describe how another judge might be viewing them when things don't go Apple's way.

 

Just my personal and completely unimportant opinion but I don't consider it a well thought out move by Apple considering the number of on-going actions they have in other courts and the likelihood of other judges in other courts being aware of how they're handling an unfavorable but not terribly important court decree. The more they drag this out the more Apple keeps it in the news, and the more attention they get. With that said I'm sure Apple has deep enough pockets that they don't need to be very concerned with some court now or later being irritated with them. They're too rich and powerful to be worried.


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post #48 of 171
Originally Posted by Custer View Post
How do you know they will try?

 

Well, because Apple did exactly what they were told to do, word for word, and they were made to type it again, identically, because the judge thinks he can do that.


Originally Posted by Custer View Post
Which is what, exactly?

 

… Are you reading before posting?

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post #49 of 171
So when is Samsung posting on their website "We have been found guilty by US courts of copying Apple. We copied a lot of stuff from Apple and now we've been caught. Sorry."

This is the absurdity if being found guilty in one country, and not guilty in another. Samsung having to post this on their site would highlight the studitiy of the UK Courts actions.
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I thought apple told the judge that it would take weeks to post this on their website due to technical reasons?  I wonder why they lied about that to the judge.

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Lol!
You are so right. The Yanks have produced such an enviable justice system supported by the brightest, most intelligent police force to become the envy of the world.
The rest of the world models itself on your justice system, your police force, and your favourite sport.
Way to go, rednecks! Keep us inspired, cowboy! Lead the way... Er... On your own.

I'm not American, but I'm not so daft to not see the humour in Britain's "police force". Just as I see the comedy of their court system today.

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post #52 of 171
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… Are you reading before posting?

I doubt it.
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Conversely, the judge in the U.S. should force Samsung to place an ad saying Samsung did copy Apple.

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So this is the BIG, BIG news post for the entire weekend on Apple. This is it... 

 

Apple really IS doomed.

post #55 of 171
Originally Posted by justbobf View Post
Apple really messed up on this. They insulted the judge and now their notice has a large link surrounded by a red border on their home page. No, Apple was not smart this time.

 

1000

 

I see what you did there.

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post #56 of 171
Stupid! nuff said !
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Good for Apple. They're giving this assinine judgement as much respect as it deserves. 

post #58 of 171
There is no free speech in the UK...

It is clear to anyone with a brain that Samsung did, and does copy Apple..

Statements ordered by a judge, will not change that..
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post #59 of 171
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Originally Posted by de Villiers View Post

 

In fact - you have got it wrong. The case was NOT about copying but infringement of a drawn design. Look carefully at the wording of the apology. The case was NOT about whether Samsung copied the iPad itself. Instead, Apple was claiming that Samsung had infringed a particular registered design. The court made clear that the iPad itself may not have been the same as the registered design.

 

 

Apple didn't claim anything; remember it was Samsung that brought the case. Apple was simply defending it. 

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Conversely, the judge in the U.S. should force Samsung to place an ad saying Samsung did copy Apple.

 

I'd like to agree with you, but I really can't condone poor judgements spreading around the world, no matter who it applies to.

 

Two wrongs do not make a right.

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Assuming is was done intentionally to hide the notice I don't look at it as childish at all, nor really something unexpected. Florian Mueller has a different word to describe how another judge might be viewing them when things don't go Apple's way.

 

Just my personal and completely unimportant opinion but I don't consider it a well thought out move by Apple considering the number of on-going actions they have in other courts and the likelihood of other judges in other courts being aware of how they're handling an unfavorable but not terribly important court decree. The more they drag this out the more Apple keeps it in the news, and the more attention they get. With that said I'm sure Apple has deep enough pockets that they don't need to be very concerned with some court now or later being irritated with them. They're too rich and powerful to be worried.

 

I think it was very well thought out.

 

The initial post, stating the judge's comments, is the one that folk can actually understand. 

The second post is just a short legal paragraph that doesn't even mention the iPad.

 

You're right; this was a relatively unimportant case as it didn't involve any design that Apple ships. To me, it looks like the judge was trying to make the case look bigger than it actually was. Most of the attention drawn to it were through his actions alone; a very poor show.

post #62 of 171

The new notice on a blank web page looks even more innocuous than the original notice.

 

Can someone please explain to me how putting up this notice can possibly have any effect at all (other than showing that it could be ordered of course)

 

Who is supposed to click on the link on the main page and how is it meant to affect their perception of anything?

post #63 of 171

I understand that this is not a proper news site, but the headline could be a little more accurate.

 

There is is no iPad shipping that looks like the design in question.

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The funniest part? Apple added javascript to their page that ensures, no matter what screen size or resolution you are using, the link and the text on the main page will be below the bottom of your display. You are forced to scroll if you want to see it. Genuis.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/11/03/apple-hides-samsung-apology-on-its-uk-site-so-it-cant-be-seen-without-scrolling/

 

 

At this point, I whole heartedly applaud Apple giving the UK courts the finger, high and proud. For anyone that thinks Apple is being childish, I say they are responding to the court in kind. The order was immature and unreasonable. The response has been ingeniously alike in that regard. I look forward to the courts response. What are they going to do? Order Apple to apologize?

 

Blimey, you're right. You resize the window and you still can't see the notice ... 1hmm.gif

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The funniest part? Apple added javascript to their page that ensures, no matter what screen size or resolution you are using, the link and the text on the main page will be below the bottom of your display. You are forced to scroll if you want to see it. Genuis.
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/11/03/apple-hides-samsung-apology-on-its-uk-site-so-it-cant-be-seen-without-scrolling/


At this point, I whole heartedly applaud Apple giving the UK courts the finger, high and proud. For anyone that thinks Apple is being childish, I say they are responding to the court in kind. The order was immature and unreasonable. The response has been ingeniously alike in that regard. I look forward to the courts response. What are they going to do? Order Apple to apologize?

Did they add the JS just for the UK site because I can't see the bottom of the page on my Mac either.

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post #66 of 171
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There is no free speech in the UK...

Right, could you provide evidence to support that statement?

 

The UK is a member of the EU, and is thus part of the European Court of Human Rights.

 

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=18

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/contents

 

Only exceptions are for threatening, abusive or insulting speech/behaviour (but that's to stop people going around and screaming racist or homophobic things to other people).

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The funniest part? Apple added javascript to their page that ensures, no matter what screen size or resolution you are using, the link and the text on the main page will be below the bottom of your display. ...

 

Wow, that is very cleverly done. You can drag the bottom of the window down and just before the notice is going to come into view the page rearranges itself to take up more vertical space. 

 

Ya gotta admit that takes balls. 

 

OK Sir Robin, your move...

post #68 of 171

Well if they end up finally losing the other billion dollar suit maybe Sammy will have to put a notice saying We did infringe.

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Did they add the JS just for the UK site because I can't see the bottom of the page on my Mac either.

They pulled that stunt on the AU site as well. Gone now.
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Did they add the JS just for the UK site because I can't see the bottom of the page on my Mac either.

No. That javascript exists on most of the International sites - including those that do not have any requirement to post the Samsung notice.

The US site is one of the few that does NOT contain that code.
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post #71 of 171
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No. That javascript exists on most of the International sites - including those that do not have any requirement to post the Samsung notice.
The US site is one of the few that does NOT contain that code.

That same poster at the TheNextWeb you're depending on for that claim (I'm assuming it's the same thread since you worded your post similarly) prompted another member to say the Java-code wasn't added to the UK site until the the day the Appeals Court told Apple they had to re-publish.  At this point I don't think anyone really knows if Apple did this specifically to hide the notice or not, or will be able to prove intent one way or the other. Not that it really matters.


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No they didn't copy Apple they just stole ideas like there's no tommorrow all because not enough was done prior to the suit. I remember Steve made it very public about how he wanted to talk it out before taking them to court they should pay 5 billion to Apple instead of 1 for that
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The funniest part? Apple added javascript to their page that ensures, no matter what screen size or resolution you are using, the link and the text on the main page will be below the bottom of your display. You are forced to scroll if you want to see it. Genuis.
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/11/03/apple-hides-samsung-apology-on-its-uk-site-so-it-cant-be-seen-without-scrolling/


At this point, I whole heartedly applaud Apple giving the UK courts the finger, high and proud. For anyone that thinks Apple is being childish, I say they are responding to the court in kind. The order was immature and unreasonable. The response has been ingeniously alike in that regard. I look forward to the courts response. What are they going to do? Order Apple to apologize?

OMG did you know the dictionary hides the definition of "Zebra" at the end? It's not on the first page! OMG you guys, thenextweb.com failed to mention this horrible scandal.

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So this is the BIG, BIG news post for the entire weekend on Apple. This is it... 

Apple really IS doomed.

Nah, it's weekend click bait to keep the ads impressions up when they aren't posting news. I'm starting to get their play book.

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post #76 of 171

On the US Apple website can they post a notice saying simply: "Yes, they did." 

 

?

 

:)

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
OMG did you know the dictionary hides the definition of "Zebra" at the end? It's not on the first page! OMG you guys, thenextweb.com failed to mention this horrible scandal.

 

How is that at all the same as what is happening here?

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On the US Apple website can they post a notice saying simply: "Yes, they did." 

?

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Or when Samsung cuts Apple a check for $1-3 billion they post that on the front page on the UK site.

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How is that at all the same as what is happening here?

He's making a joke.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
He's making a joke.

 

I'm turning into Defensio… WAY too many false positives. lol.gif

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