Apple posts new notice saying Samsung didn't copy iPad on UK website - Page 3

This cracks me up. This is a minor issue yet we're at 81 comments.

 

Meanwhile, the more significant news about the A6X processor and how fast it is (the fastest SoC in the world) has barely cracked 20 comments.

 

I guess the trolls don't want to spend time dicussing FACTS (like how the Nexus 10 gets its a$$ handed to it by the A6X) when they can argue opinions for hours on end about how bad Apple is or how they're "losing" in court.

Nice try of you and the English court to confuse the argument.
The German court was talking about the exact same thing: Apples registered (community) design.
Every one knows that Apples actual products are the implementation of this design, so your semantics have no base at all.
Read this from arstechnica:
The Galaxy Tab 7.7 had already been banned from sale in Germany thanks to a decision from a lower court in late 2011. At that time, the court treated Samsung Germany as a separate entity from Samsung in Korea; the latter was able to continue selling the tablet throughout the rest of Europe. This was reversed on Tuesday when the Duesseldorf High Court decided that Samsung Germany was instead a local branch of the Korean company, resulting in the EU-wide ban. According to a statement released by the court, the Galaxy Tab 7.7 infringes upon Apple's registered EU Community Design for the iPad.
(See: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/apple-wins-eu-wide-ban-on-galaxy-tab-7-7-tab-10-1n-not-covered/)

J.

Your right of course. I was already amazed by the gigaflops of my iPad3.
I guess unfairness and dishonestly triggers me.
But then again, it's a bit naive to expect fairness and honesty from a law system, especially one that old and based on ancient traditions. And this ruling is after all nothing more than one man's opinion.

J.

I think it comes down to two things: 1) The A6X is an open-close case with no room for interpretation. It's hands down better than anything else whereas with these lawsuits it's all interpretation, who argued best, what system of laws you are using, and the slant of the judge. 2) Apple has been in the lead for years so there is no surprise that Apple is still winning in this regard. The only thing that might be discussion worthy is how Apple is widening the gap even more.

 

You've lost your ability to detect snark. i'd better put the /s back on.

Apple should have added ... ' in the U.K., but they did everywhere else!

 

A third party who is independent (the courts no less) from this entire issue declares a verdict and you, who is obviously biased, dont agree with the terms? 

 

Say it aint so!

 

 

 

Dont you need to be spewing about user interface and ecosystem rather than specifications?

 

I thought specs were "not important" (direct quote from another Apple fan). Apparently, with your admission, it IS important.

 

Please stick with the same logic as your other compatriots.

Edited by Galbi - 11/4/12 at 11:41am

Perhaps if Apple had previous statements on their web site indication Samsung infringed, you would have a point. Since you can't find Apple maki g such statements outside of the courts, this requirement is nothing but punitive. Since the only place Apple made any claims was in the courts record, the courts published ruling is certainly sufficient to refute any claim made by Apple.

 

Yep, that new Nexus tablet is garbage! 

 

Some paper spec loving, clueless and dumb as crap Fandroids were boasting about it before it got released, but now that it's released, it did indeed get it's ass handed to it, when compared to the iPad. Reading those Anandtech comparisons and charts are just embarrassing and cringe worthy!  Now, I notice that some tinfoil hat wearing Fandroids and delusional asshats are accusing Anandtech of being involved in some sort of conspiracy. 

 

iPad = better specs, faster, better looking, better built, better materials, better battery, better OS, better apps, more apps, more updates, better in virtually every imaginable category.

As for the topic in this thread, who gives a shit really?

 

Everybody knows that Samsung's tablets are cheap ripoffs and copies of the iPad. They would have never even existed if the iPad were not first released. Some wig wearing, ridiculous looking UK judge is not going to change that fact. 

 

If you think it's punitive, what "wrong" does this action supposedly punish?

The whole thing with this judge is STUPID.  The judge is probably a heavy drinker and doesn't use sound judgement.

Coincidence perhaps. That behavior of the iPad mini ad taking up as much screen space as possible is the same other Apple sites. I'm viewing the Latin America site and it does the exact same thing but obviously there is no legal comment on that page.

 

 

Yep, you are right… no wait the other thing, wrong and annoying as usual.

 

“Overall, the Nexus 10 results show us some real promise for what we can expect from ARM Cortex A15 based SoCs. The potential upside to this new architecture is huge.”  -anandtech.com

 

 

 

I don't think coincidence can be ruled out but I also think 1) they thought of the idea but then said "we should be done that anyway to help showcase our latest product" and therefore enabled it across most country's pages, or 2) they thought of the idea but then wanted plausible deniably about the timing so they said "we should do it across most country's sites instead of just the UK site so it appears coincidental and not a deliberate act of obscuring the judges message."

Your judges wear wigs and these laws are still on record in the UK...  Try to lighten up.

 

"Dying is illegal in the Houses of Parliaments.

In York it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a crossbow upon seeing one, except for on Sundays. Similarly in Chester it is legal to shoot a Welsh person with a crossbow, as long as it is within the city walls and is done after midnight.

Placing a postage stamp bearing the Queen’s head upside down on an envelope is considered as act of treason.

It is illegal to gamble or use abusive or obscene language in a library.

Beating or shaking carpets, mats or rugs is illegal. Doormats may be beaten, but not after eight in the morning.

The Licensing Act of 1872 explains that operating a cow, horse or steam engine while intoxicated carries either a prison sentence or a fine."

Do you like Apples?

 

I love how browser "benchmarks" are the only ones in which Apple isn't leagues faster than absolutely everything else on the market, and so the trolls latch onto them as though they mean anything at all. 

1) The reasoning for that is simple: The Palace of Westminster is a Royal Palace, and anyone who dies in a Royal Palace is entitled to a state funeral. Anyone that does die in the Palace of Westminster is taken to (and declared dead at) St Thomas' Hospital.

2) No comment :)

3) And so is tearing a note where the Queen's head is. There's nothing ridiculous about it, at least for the time the laws were put into place.

4) How does that even class a ridiculous law?

5) No comment :)

6) In the same way that driving a car while intoxicated carries either a prison sentence or a fine?

 

Just to clear that up.

 

False.  Apple made the following company statement outside of court after the initial judgement ruled Samsung did not infringe:

 

It's great that he quotes...


But let's look at what that statement is saying. It's not saying the Nexus 10 is great. It's all about potential and promise from ARM's Cortex A15.

Now compare that to Anand's closing statements about the iPad (4)...

 

Hey, in my state if an underage female takes off her shoes and socks while sitting in my vehicle's passenger seat, I can be charged with statutory rape! 

Everywhere has those fun crazy laws. It's the ones that they take seriously that are often the most dangerous. 

Only in the passenger seat? In that case only place naked children on your lap while driving. Problem solved¡

 

I'd quote this if my signature wasn't already being used for something else.

 

And, you know, other reasons.

 

Some people liked to say that WebOS had great potential.  Where are they today?

 

Who cares about potential? What matters is the here and now. Fandroids always have to look into the future, praying and hoping for better times, while waiting for some messiah or miracle to come and save the day. Some religions have been waiting on their messiah for thousands of years. The Fandroid religion will be waiting even longer for theirs.

What happens if it's the middle of the summer, 100 degrees outside and you're driving some kids to the beach and they're wearing sandals or no shoes at all? 

What would have been perhaps too clever would be to not display the message at all unless the viewer scrolled down and then use Javascript to display it. That way it wouldn't get sucked into the Google cache. I checked. You probably know how much I like sneaky Javascript. 

 

I also would have made the longer description only available if you click the link on Apple's page so other sites could not link to it.

Edited by mstone - 11/4/12 at 2:50pm

1. "Dying is illegal in the Houses of Parliaments.
2. In York it is perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a crossbow upon seeing one, except for on Sundays. Similarly in Chester it is legal to shoot a Welsh person with a crossbow, as long as it is within the city walls and is done after midnight.
3. Placing a postage stamp bearing the Queen’s head upside down on an envelope is considered as act of treason.
4. It is illegal to gamble or use abusive or obscene language in a library.
5. Beating or shaking carpets, mats or rugs is illegal. Doormats may be beaten, but not after eight in the morning.
6. The Licensing Act of 1872 explains that operating a cow, horse or steam engine while intoxicated carries either a prison sentence or a fine."

1. No one? Miss Marple must have a terrible time solving murder cases in the Royal Palaces.

2. No comment:)

3. You do realize it is 2012 and the Queen no longer can have 'your' head removed.

4. Gambling in a library also includes asking whether a particular book is in. You have been warned.

5. No comment :)

6. I find I can ride a cow much better after some sherry. How can this be against the law?

 

But thanks for the illuminating reasoning behind these little known UK laws. :)

Cheers

Edited by TeeJay2012 - 11/4/12 at 4:07pm

Unlike their previous message that stated where other courts have stated Samsung infringed I think this would be a violation of the law as it would not have been displayed on the page without adding a qualifier which I think could have come back to bite them in the arse. That said, I really wish they would have done that.

It is not coincidence that Monty Python originated in the UK. So much material to choose from!

And why would you know that?

 

 

Just ragging you TS

No, no. You see we don't want to inconvenience our users by making them download content that is out of view. 

 

You mean like these browser tests? :)

 

From the same Anandtech article.

 

 

 

 

I just ran these on my iPad '4' with the A6X and I got....

 

Sunspider: 868ms

Browsermark: 194,756

I guess you are too biased to accept that for some people tablet will be dominantly Internet consuming device, so browser performance can be of importance. GL performance probably doesn't make much difference if you are not 3D gaming on that device.

For gamers, the opposite can be true.

And "trolls" latch to everything they perceive is in their advantage. On both sides... or under both bridges. I'd rather stick with "biased fans" term, but be it your way.

 

GL performance makes a difference on a lot more than games. For example, I just bought Procreate last night for drawing. They explicitly use the GPU to improve performance for the drawing engine. It also effects how smooth the general operation of the device is (scrolling, pinch/zoom, transitions, animations).

 

People say browser performance is good to have since so many people also write Apps using HTML5. Slow, boring Apps, that is. Remember how much faster Facebook for iOS got when they gave up on the HTML5 version and coded a native version for iOS? Doesn't matter how good browser performance gets - it's still way behind what a native App will do for you both in terms of abilities/features and performance.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but the two comparison charts show iPhone 5 ahead of all competitors, at least that is how I read it. Not sure what TS is referring to. Sun spider - lower is better , Browser Mark, higher is better. Seems like iPhone wins.

Apple has the fastest devices...currently. However I my opinion the hardware has surpassed the software so really its down to which ecosystem you prefer. I like my Android device for the framework it opperates in and vice versa I am sure for Apple users. Making teh devices faster is great as long as they have the software to match.

 

So really one can compare benchmarks till the cows come home but it does not really change anything. Android can do certain things better than iOS and vice versa. I have tried my friends iOS devices and find them clunky and uninspired but then again that is just my opinion. While I do like the iPad I do not see myself owning one as the idea of having iTunes just fills me with rage. iTunes which was the reason I owned an iPod is now the reason i will never own another... with each iteration it just sucks more.

 

I am sure one can use the iDevices now with out iTunes but since I started owning Android devices I don't think I could go back even if the iPhone/iPad was 10x the speed and smelt of puppies. I may reconsider an iDevice when teh Swype keyboard is available

1) "So...where was she murdered?"

"St Thomas' Hospital, ma'am."

"Why was she there?"

"She was shot in the House of Commons."

2) *Hides my crossbow*

3) Interestingly enough, the death penalty for acts of High Treason was only banned in 1997. But it is still punishable with a life prison sentence (that's if the police manage to catch them alive, it's likely that anyone who tries to kill the Queen would most likely get killed by the crowd first :D). But either way, I'd pledge my loyalty to the Queen in the same way an American would pledge loyalty to the Stars and Stripes.

4) :D

Skipping to 6) Well...it depends on what is meant by 'ride a cow' :P

 

This is fun.

 

In terms of phones, it sure seems to. But when the charts include other things…

 

 

The trolls jump on 'em like stink on troll. Never mind that you have to look at an Android tablet for Android to even beat the iPhone, and never mind that the iPad 4 screams to the top of the list beyond this anyway, but "this image shows Apple losing", so we better post that!

I don't know why these benchmarks matter anyway with them so close to each other. Is there seriously much difference in browsing speeds and responsiveness between the most recent iPhones and iPads and the most recent Android phones and tablets? Not that I'm aware of. Both OS's are speedy, both platforms have features unique to them, both have good hardware.and the latest devices from both get high marks from professional blogs and reviewers. Any more it's almost like arguing between Ford and Chevrolet trucks. Almost. Still a ways to go for Android, but you get the basic point.

 

and yeah I know, Apple is more like a <insert favorite luxury car>