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With the U.S. Online Apple Store still showing carrier-specific iPhone 5 delivery dates of three to four weeks, a quick search on Apple's website may have revealed the pricing of factory unlocked units expected to hit stores later this year.

First discovered by AppleInsider reader Dhaval Dinani and confirmed independently, the alleged unlocked units are anything but official and could merely be placeholders in Apple's database, however the prices are consistent with identical models being sold in Canada where all iPhones are unlocked.

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While not listed anywhere else on the site, a query for "iPhone 5 factory unlocked" in the Apple.com search bar reveals "Apple Store Results" as seen above. The units are priced at $649 for the 16GB version, $749 for the 32GB model, and $849 for the 64GB iteration. While not present in the screenshot, all prices for both GSM and CDMA models can be found by adding the storage size to the search. For example, the price of unlocked 32GB GSM and CDMA iPhone 5s are found by searching for "iPhone 5 factory unlocked 32GB."

It is unclear how long the purported iPhone 5 search results have been on Apple's website, but a report in September showed an Online Apple Store iPhone comparison page that revealed the prices of unlocked versions bound for the U.S. and Canada. The prices quoted in that report are in line with the search results found on Apple's U.S. website.

Currently, Apple does not offer factory unlocked versions of its latest handset in the U.S., however the CDMA version sold by Verizon was found to be compatible with the GSM networks of AT&T and T-Mobile. A subsequent report noted that the AT&T version can be unlocked to operate on T-Mobile's network via an iTunes reset and nano-SIM card replacement.

Apple is expected to introduce unlocked versions of the iPhone 5 when its worldwide rollout is completed and supply of the handset normalizes.
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Ok Tallest Skil now we can compare the full retail price of 2 new phones, the Nexus 4 is $399 andthe iPhone is $649.
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All iPhones are not sold unlocked in Canada this year. In previous years, as long as you bought it from Apple for full price, then they were unlocked. But for the iPhone 5, they are only unlocked if you buy it from the Apple website. If you buy it from the Apple retail store, they are locked.

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When I was in the store yesterday I saw contract-free prices that match these. I assumed they were factory unlocked for the GSM/UMTS/EUTRA radios.

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Ok Tallest Skil now we can compare the full retail price of 2 new phones, the Nexus 4 is $399 andthe iPhone is $649.

You mean the Nexus 4 with no LTE?

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post #6 of 41
If you noticed from the
http://store.apple.com/us/search?find=iphone%205%20factory%20unlocked
It says it will be available in 3-4 weeks if true then early December or right after black friday.
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Ok Tallest Skil now we can compare the full retail price of 2 new phones, the Nexus 4 is $399 andthe iPhone is $649.

 

Why would you attempt a direct comparison of the Nexus 4, which has a glass back and no LTE with the iPhone 5?

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Ok Tallest Skil now we can compare the full retail price of 2 new phones, the Nexus 4 is $399 andthe iPhone is $649.

In addition to the other comments about different materials and lack of LTE, see this:

 

http://9to5google.com/2012/11/03/is-google-subsidizing-the-price-of-the-299-lg-nexus-4/

 

Only in the US is the Nexus 4 this cheap. In other countries it's only slightly cheaper than iPhone 5, leading some to believe Google is subsidizing the price in the States (NOT the same as a carrier subsidy).

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Unlocked is good but it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I need a US iPhone number when I'm in Latin America so my US associates can still call the same number that is in their contact list, and I also need a local number at the same time, hence I have to carry two phones. So now that I unlocked my old iPhone, that will be my local sim device instead of the old feature phone I used to carry when abroad. 

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Unlocked is good but it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I need a US iPhone number when I'm in Latin America so my US associates can still call the same number that is in their contact list, and I also need a local number at the same time, hence I have to carry two phones. So now that I unlocked my old iPhone, that will be my local sim device instead of the old feature phone I used to carry when abroad. 

Can't you do that as one phone with the Verizon or Sprint iPhone 5?


PS: After 5 weeks with my Verizon iPhone 5 after being with AT&T since 2007 I can say that my dropped or non-connecting calls on Verizon are about as frequent but when they do connect the call quality is much better.

There is one area that AT&T worked but Verizon doesn't and one that AT&T didn't but Verizon now does in two areas I travel frequently.

My rates are higher with Verizon (even with a 22% employee discount from work that didn't have with AT&T) and they are less transparent with their billing than with AT&T which I find very annoying. They charged by a late fee of $5 for not paying by October 17th for a bill ending October 21st because I have to pre-pay a month despite being a postpaid customer for a monthly bill that was only 2 days from Sept 21-22nd (don't ask me to explain that or try to explain it to me because it's all bollocks. I'd much prefer we discuss quantum physics instead).
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Disclaimer:  I own the Verizon iPhone5.

 

If the Verizon iPhone5's SIM card slot is unlocked, what's the big deal.  I understand that these phones are "officially" unlocked.. but it seems they are no different than buying a Verizon iPhone5 or paying full price for a AT&T version (in which case AT&T will unlock the phone).  

 

Someone looking for an unlocked iPhone5, has already had plenty of opportunities to purchase one.

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Disclaimer:  I own the Verizon iPhone5.

If the Verizon iPhone5's SIM card slot is unlocked, what's the big deal.  I understand that these phones are "officially" unlocked.. but it seems they are no different than buying a Verizon iPhone5 or paying full price for a AT&T version (in which case AT&T will unlock the phone).  

Someone looking for an unlocked iPhone5, has already had plenty of opportunities to purchase one.

I see your point but it could make a difference if the LTE operating bands you want are only on the version that doesn't include the CDMA radios.

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Unlocked is good but it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I need a US iPhone number when I'm in Latin America so my US associates can still call the same number that is in their contact list, and I also need a local number at the same time, hence I have to carry two phones. So now that I unlocked my old iPhone, that will be my local sim device instead of the old feature phone I used to carry when abroad. 

Can't you do that as one phone with the Verizon or Sprint iPhone 5?
 

I'm not sure. Is there a way to keep both a local GSM and a USA CDMA numbers active at the same time with the Verizon phone?  There is no CDMA in Latin America to my knowledge. What happens when you are on a call and the other number rings? I don't really have a great deal of confidence in Verizon after seeing what happen to my associate last year who rented a supposed world phone from Verizon for her trip with me. It didn't work at all and she had to buy a local phone and lost contact with the US entirely.

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I'm not sure. Is there a way to keep both the GSM and CDMA numbers active at the same time with the Verizon phone? What happens when you are on a call and the other number rings? I don't really have a great deal of confidence in Verizon after seeing what happen to my associate who rented a supposed world phone from Verizon for her trip with me. It didn't work at all and she had to buy a local phone and lost contact with the US entirely.

You can't receive calls from both but I thought when you are outside the US you can put in a micro-SIM and have that number work on a GSM network. I see now that you want to get your phone calls routed from the US outside the country as roaming. Is that correct?

Another avenue you might want to consider is a Google Voice number. It's free. This is the number I give out to anything that needs a form. It forwards to my iPhone flawlessly. When I recently switched from AT&T to Verizon I also got a new number because I wanted a local area code. This meant I didn't have to change anything but physical phone's number my Google Voice number was tied to, like with forwarding email.

As for so called "world phones" they've been very limited up until Qualcomm's Gobi which I think Apple was the first to use in a major phone. Before Gobi we basically had the CDMA bands, the 3 standard GSM '2G' bands, and one or two UMTS '3G' bands that made sure to exclude anything that would work in the USA or Canada.

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I'm not sure. Is there a way to keep both the GSM and CDMA numbers active at the same time with the Verizon phone? What happens when you are on a call and the other number rings? I don't really have a great deal of confidence in Verizon after seeing what happen to my associate who rented a supposed world phone from Verizon for her trip with me. It didn't work at all and she had to buy a local phone and lost contact with the US entirely.

You can't receive calls from both but I thought when you are outside the US you can put in a micro-SIM and have that number work on a GSM network. I see now that you want to get your phone calls routed from the US outside the country as roaming. Is that correct?

Yes I do not want my US clients to even be aware that I am away. My local, Latin American contacts want to dial a local number if possible when they know I am in country. I do have a skype local numbers in both countries but it doesn't works very well.

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Yes I do not want my US clients to even be aware that I am away. My local contacts want to dial a local number if possible when they know I am in country.

I understand that being a drug mule is lucrative but it's dangerous on so many levels. 1smoking.gif

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Yes I do not want my US clients to even be aware that I am away. My local contacts want to dial a local number if possible when they know I am in country.

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Ok Tallest Skil now we can compare the full retail price of 2 new phones, the Nexus 4 is $399 andthe iPhone is $649.

 

One has LTE, the other… doesn't. One is the fastest phone on the planet, the other… isn't. 

 

Sounds like we're comparing a flagship phone to a midrange phone.

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At $849 US excluding local taxes for 64GB unlocked, this compares to $941 US, after taking local taxes out and allowing for the exchange rate US $ to Australian $.

Mr Apple... WHY the &%$# are we continuing to be ripped off by $92 or over 10% in Australia for the same product from the same factory with the same or shorter shipping distance.

This is for you Tony King (Apple MD in Australia). It's time for the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) to step in and give you a wack. Maybe your overlords in Cupertino might then put you on your game to do the right thing by Australia's supportive and loyal Apple consumers.
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At $849 US excluding local taxes for 64GB unlocked, this compares to $941 US, after taking local taxes out and allowing for the exchange rate US $ to Australian $.
Mr Apple... WHY the &%$# are we continuing to be ripped off by $92 or over 10% in Australia for the same product from the same factory with the same or shorter shipping distance.
This is for you Tony King (Apple MD in Australia). It's time for the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) to step in and give you a wack. Maybe your overlords in Cupertino might then put you on your game to do the right thing by Australia's supportive and loyal Apple consumers.

Did you adjust for projected changes in the value? Did you include any import taxes for US goods? Did you include any additional costs for country specific licenses and testing? Did you account for the reduced economics of scale between the AU and US markets for the box to it's accessories, to it printed material, to anything in the device's HW or SW that would be more costly for a much lower number of units per device than in the US market which is still the largest seller of Apple's products?

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i wonder how much longer till they release the factory unlocked iphone 5, i hope they release it soon as in this week.
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Good luck with getting AT&T to unlock an iPhone - any iPhone- that is still under contract.
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Did you adjust for projected changes in the value? Did you include any import taxes for US goods? Did you include any additional costs for country specific licenses and testing? Did you account for the reduced economics of scale between the AU and US markets for the box to it's accessories, to it printed material, to anything in the device's HW or SW that would be more costly for a much lower number of units per device than in the US market which is still the largest seller of Apple's products?

Supreme bullshit.

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In addition to the other comments about different materials and lack of LTE, see this:

 

http://9to5google.com/2012/11/03/is-google-subsidizing-the-price-of-the-299-lg-nexus-4/

 

Only in the US is the Nexus 4 this cheap. In other countries it's only slightly cheaper than iPhone 5, leading some to believe Google is subsidizing the price in the States (NOT the same as a carrier subsidy).

 

Of course Google is subsidizing it. They are selling it as a loss leader with the aim of flooding the market and gaining returns on advertising.

 

They've just updated Microsoft's give it away motto, get it entrenched and then nickel and dime you on upgrades control the OEMs for life.

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Supreme bullshit.

That's just how things are. You can probably buy cheaper Kangaroo meat than I can, not that I would ever eat Kangaroo, but that's besides the point.

 

Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in Brazil. I believe that country has the highest prices of all countries when it comes to Apple things.

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At $849 US excluding local taxes for 64GB unlocked, this compares to $941 US, after taking local taxes out and allowing for the exchange rate US $ to Australian $.

Mr Apple... WHY the &%$# are we continuing to be ripped off by $92 or over 10% in Australia for the same product from the same factory with the same or shorter shipping distance.

This is for you Tony King (Apple MD in Australia). It's time for the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) to step in and give you a wack. Maybe your overlords in Cupertino might then put you on your game to do the right thing by Australia's supportive and loyal Apple consumers.

Err, just to clarify for other people
64GB iPhone 5 in the Australian Apple store is AUD$999 incl 10% GST.

Excluding GST that would be 999/11*10= roughly AUD$908.
Convert from USD$849 @ today's exchange rate (about 1.03) gets you AUD$824
So, divide 908/824 and find the AUD price is 9% higher than the USD price of $849

So there is mostly a currency hedge plus additional costs that have to be amortised, like regulatory approvals etc. bear in mind that the AUD historically has been much lower than it is currently, and is only a commodity price crash away from once again cratering down to around the USD$0.70. So a nine percent hedge, while on the high end, is probably acceptable.

Edit: by currency hedge, I am saying that Apple looks to have built in an assumption there is a risk that the AUD might fall to USD$0.91sometime in the next 12 months, the period the iPhone 5 is set at this price.

Compared with back in the day when a PowerBook could cost $2000 more in Australia than the USA, that is nothing to complain about.
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Supreme bullshit.
That's just how things are. You can probably buy cheaper Kangaroo meat than I can, not that I would ever eat Kangaroo, but that's besides the point.

Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in Brazil. I believe that country has the highest prices of all countries when it comes to Apple things.

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Only in the US is the Nexus 4 this cheap. In other countries it's only slightly cheaper than iPhone 5, leading some to believe Google is subsidizing the price in the States (NOT the same as a carrier subsidy).

 

The Nexus 4 16GB is £279 in the UK vs. £529 for the 16GB iPhone 5.

 

It seems like Google is subsidising the price globally.

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That's just how things are. You can probably buy cheaper Kangaroo meat than I can, not that I would ever eat Kangaroo, but that's besides the point.

 

Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in Brazil. I believe that country has the highest prices of all countries when it comes to Apple things.

 

Right on the mark. When I see people complaining about either the US or Australian prices for Apple products I have to laugh. Here in Brazil Apple charges much higher prices.

 

Take a pick:

 

Macbook Pro 13 Inch Retina (base configuration): R$ 6.999,00 or US$ 3.448,00

Macbook Pro 15 Inch Retina (base configuration): R$ 9.999,00 or US$ 4.925,00

Unlocked iPhone 4S 16GB: R$ 1.999,00 or US$ 984,00

Previous generation iMac 27 Inch 3.2 GHz: R$ 9.399,00 or US$ 4.603,00

 

While part of the high prices are explained by higher import duties, the import duties alone don't explain these ridiculous prices. Apple margins are much higher here than in the US.

 

Joster

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Newsflash, iPhone 5 has been selling unlocked since day 1 in the US. I'm not sure why people keep saying its locked, but I bought 2 unlocked iPhone 5 on the launch day in the US. Here is the deal, I went to AT&T and asked if they sell unlocked, they said they don't, but if you buy it at full price from an Apple store they come unlocked. I went to the Apple store, and these guys have no idea if they are locked or not so I bought it figuring I could always return it if its locked. When I got home plugged it into iTunes the first thing it said is "Your iPhone is now unlocked". Keep in mind I did this as a first setup so if your phone is purchased at full price and you didn't plug it into your computer right away then to get the unlock you will need to restore it in iTunes.
In case you are wondering this purchase was made in Massachusetts. So I paid $649 for 16GB and $749 for 32GB, plus the tax of course. I didn't get it to resell.
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Did you adjust for projected changes in the value? Did you include any import taxes for US goods? Did you include any additional costs for country specific licenses and testing? Did you account for the reduced economics of scale between the AU and US markets for the box to it's accessories, to it printed material, to anything in the device's HW or SW that would be more costly for a much lower number of units per device than in the US market which is still the largest seller of Apple's products?

All of that is true, but you've ignored local sales taxes, as well. Someone reported that the Australian price includes 10% sales tax while the US price does not (you have to add sales tax on top of that number).

More importantly, price is determined by supply and demand. If Apple's price is too high, few people will buy. Clearly, Apple thinks that their price is right.
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Right on the mark. When I see people complaining about either the US or Australian prices for Apple products I have to laugh. Here in Brazil Apple charges much higher prices.

Take a pick:

Macbook Pro 13 Inch Retina (base configuration): R$ 6.999,00 or US$ 3.448,00
Macbook Pro 15 Inch Retina (base configuration): R$ 9.999,00 or US$ 4.925,00
Unlocked iPhone 4S 16GB: R$ 1.999,00 or US$ 984,00
Previous generation iMac 27 Inch 3.2 GHz: R$ 9.399,00 or US$ 4.603,00

While part of the high prices are explained by higher import duties, the import duties alone don't explain these ridiculous prices. Apple margins are much higher here than in the US.

Joster

The import duties in Brazil are immense. They can easily more than double the cost of a computer:
http://www.ehow.com/list_6529981_import-duties-brazil.html

A quick glance at your numbers indicates that import duties make up most of the difference. You should be complaining to your government, not Apple.

Note the comparatively low iPhone price. IIRC, the iPhone is made in Brazil so the import duties presumably apply only to the components and not the finished product.
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post #32 of 41
Official or not, the prices are in keeping with the trends. And not to forget, it's a good time for Apple to release the iPhone 5 unlocked variants now. Looks like Apple's cash reserves are going to explode.
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All of that is true, but you've ignored local sales taxes, as well.


A quick glance at your numbers indicates that import duties make up most of the difference. You should be complaining to your government, not.

1st- The quote solip responded to said "excluding sales tax".

2nd- The guy wasn't really complaining about apple so much. Just stating that people complaining about Australian prices don't have it as bad as brazil. When you take out the current numbers from 2012, he's right- apple has higher margins in Brazil than Australia and America. I found his post informative. Not to mention, your link was from early 2010...


Your lack of an intelligent argument is noted.
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The import duties in Brazil are immense. They can easily more than double the cost of a computer:
http://www.ehow.com/list_6529981_import-duties-brazil.html
A quick glance at your numbers indicates that import duties make up most of the difference. You should be complaining to your government, not Apple.
 

 

We complain a lot to the government, but the people of Brazil are not as political involved as the people in the US. I believe we are decades (if not centuries) behind more developed democracies.

 

Import duties make up most of the reference, but the margins can and some times are different due to competition.

 

One comparison:

 

While both the Macbook Air 13 inch - 128 GB and the Macbook Pro 13 Inch 2.5 GHz have the same price in the US (USD 1.199,00) they have different prices in Brazil: The Macbook Air is R$ 4.999,99 (USD 2.462,00) and the Macbook Pro is R$ 3.999 (USD 1.969,00), roughly a USD 500 difference. What is interesting is that those prices were equal (on the lower end) before the last refresh of the Macbook Airs. Can these be explained by duties? Maybe, since duties are paid over transfer and not on retail prices, but I would bet the difference in pricing is related to demand.

 

The iPhone 4S is not produced in Brazil (at the moment). Only the iPhone 4.

 

Joster

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The Verizon iPhone 5 is a completely unlocked iPhone. It accepts any SIM you put in it and works on more LTE bands. That ought to be good enough for 98% of people. Unless you had some weird reason to not buy the AT&T version but need 4 and 17 for AT&T (which I don't believe is supported in the official unlocked version anyway...), don't see why an unlocked solution already exists. 

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The Nexus 4 16GB is £279 in the UK vs. £529 for the 16GB iPhone 5.

 

It seems like Google is subsidising the price globally.

No, more likely it's just a cheap (crap) phone and that's the retail price.

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The Nexus 4 16GB is £279 in the UK vs. £529 for the 16GB iPhone 5.

 

It seems like Google is subsidising the price globally.

Sorry, I did miss the fact there are a few other countries where they are offering the same pricing. I think it's been determined that they're subsidizing it in the countries where Google Play store is directly available, so US, Canada, UK, some European countries, and maybe Australia (finding it hard to get an exact list of countries...).

 

The point is Nexus 4 doesn't really cost much less than the iPhone 5 even with the LTE and materials difference--a testament to Apple's supply chain expertise and economies of scale. But with Google subsidizing it, it will look that way to the casual observer who doesn't ask any questions. But the question is will it make the iPhone look overpriced or the Nexus 4 look cheap? And if the Nexus 4 somehow does extremely well will Google wind up making money at all on this somehow outside of advertising or will they end up losing money overall? It's an interesting strategy, one that only time will tell if it will work for them.

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They still have locked iPhones? Did not know that but in Europe the operators simply sell the phones and let the people decide.

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Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post
They still have locked iPhones? Did not know that but in Europe the operators simply sell the phones and let the people decide.

 

Well, for the most part.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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for those who are like the factory unlocked iphone 5 has been out in the usa that is a lie due to the following. 1. yes the verizon iphone 5 is unlocked, but it does not work on 4g or lte gsm networks due to it is a CDMA phone, plus its a verizon model 2. yes some of the at&t iphones like the no commitment ones are unlocked, but they are not apple factory unlocked as well to, and the at&t model. The factory unlocked model unlike those that have only an unlocked imel, the factory unlocked model has a factory unlocked model number and imel. The imel and model number need to say factory unlocked or you will loose your unlock if you have any problems with your at&t iPhone 5, due to they will see it is a at&t model iPhone 5. you due to it is an at&t etc unlocked iphone will loose that lock if it is swaped out under warranty due to, when an iphone is carrier unlocked only and not factory unlocked, when that iphone is replaced everything changes except your number etc, your imel and serial number change when your iphone 5 is replaced. A true factory unlocked iphone 5 = bought from apple with an unlocked imel and has an unlocked model number as well.
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