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Belkin on Monday announced two new accessories designed for Apple's Lightning connector ? the first two official third-party accessories designed for the new iDevice port.

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Belkin's Car Charger for Lightning and Charge + Sync Dock will both be available this year, and will be the first Lightning accessories to hit the market.

"Belkin was the first third-party manufacturer to develop accessories for the 30-pin connector back in 2003, and we are thrilled to be first to market again with solutions for the new Lightning connector," said Martin Avila, general manager of Belkin?s core division. "People are eager for Lightning accessories and Belkin's give them a reliable way to keep their new iPhone 5, iPad 4th generation, iPad mini or iPod touch charged, protected, and ready to go."

Lightning accessories from Belkin are available for preorder now on the company's website. They will go on sale in mid-November.

The Belkin Car Charger for Lightning will cost $29.99, and is an updated version of Belkin's best-selling, slim-profile car charger. It features a hardwired 4-foot Lightning cable, and over-voltage to protection.

The Belkin Charge + Sync Dock is case-compatible with a foldaway auxiliary jack, removable magnetic base, and cable channel for easy cable feeding. The dock does not include a Lightning cable, but is intended to be used with Apple's official Lightning connector cable.

The dock also includes an audio out port for headphones or speakers. It is particularly noteworthy because Apple does not offer an official iPhone 5 dock.

The announcement of Belkin's new authorized accessories suggests that Apple's Made for iPhone conference may have taken place. The company was expected to hold an event this month to discuss the terms of the Lightning connector with third-party accessory manufacturers.

Though Lightning cables include an authentication chip, the technology has been reverse engineered by some companies in China that have begun making unauthorized Lightning cables. One cable detailed by AppleInsider last week was found to be compatible with Lightning devices, though it achieved a low price with poor shielding and cheap parts.
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No line out on the dock?

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I'm confused...you steal an image from Belkin's website, but don't even include a link to Belkin's website within the article or a source? *ouch*
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That dock is pretty bulky.  Maybe someone will make an authorized one that has the same size and look of Apple's docks for pre-lightning iOS devices.  

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That dock is pretty bulky.  Maybe someone will make an authorized one that has the same size and look of Apple's docks for pre-lightning iOS devices.  


Or maybe Apple will get it through their heads that making their own dock is a good idea.

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I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it didn't have "belkin" scrawled across the front in giant letters.

When are companies going to realise that no one cares about their brand enough to want to display it like that? Why does every case maker ruin their product by scrawling their ugly logo across the front as if anyone cares?
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The 3.5mm jack sticks out of the dock?  That's not pleasant.

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No line out on the dock?

 ...simply dock your device with the AUX jack in the upright position and plug your EarPods into the Aux Port at the back of the dock.

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The 3.5mm jack sticks out of the dock?  That's not pleasant.

Or folds out of the way if you like.

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 ...simply dock your device with the AUX jack in the upright position and plug your EarPods into the Aux Port at the back of the dock.

Line out is not headphone out. I think the poster was asking why it doesn't get line out through the lightning connector. The answer is because the dock has no smarts - the headphone out is just passthrough.

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Originally Posted by Crowley View Post
The 3.5mm jack sticks out of the dock?  That's not pleasant.

 

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I'm confused...you steal an image from Belkin's website, but don't even include a link to Belkin's website within the article or a source? *ouch*

Clicking either product name will take you ..***OUCH***..there.

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Why can't the dock output the audio from the lightning connector to a line out socket?  Is it because it's all digital now?  If so, that sucks.

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 ...simply dock your device with the AUX jack in the upright position and plug your EarPods into the Aux Port at the back of the dock.

Line out is not headphone out. I think the poster was asking why it doesn't get line out through the lightning connector. The answer is because the dock has no smarts - the headphone out is just passthrough.

I see. Apparently the dock has no power either. It just passes that through as well. I doesn't even come with the lightning connector. It says you have to use your own cable.


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I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it didn't have "belkin" scrawled across the front in giant letters.
When are companies going to realise that no one cares about their brand enough to want to display it like that? Why does every case maker ruin their product by scrawling their ugly logo across the front as if anyone cares?

 

I hope you realize that will never, and should never happen. That's how you grow brand recognition. Why even have a logo if you're not even going to put it on your products?

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The shuffle doesn't have a dock or lightning connector though, it syncs through the headphone jack, right?

 

Hardly the same thing then.  Though that's not a particularly pleasant solution either.

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Or maybe Apple will get it through their heads that making their own dock is a good idea.

 

I know it's a small thing really, but the fact that Apple doesn't make docks anymore is very very irritating to me.  

They made the only good ones that had some class, now we are at the mercy of the "design" skills of places like belkin.  Ugh. 

 

I hate having to lie my phone and iPad on a table like some kind of peasant and for Apple to stop making their own docks at the exact same time that they are messing with the licensing system and causing delays with the switch to the new lightning connector, was very poor planning indeed. 

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I hate having to lie my phone and iPad on a table like some kind of peasant…

 

Oh gosh, I'm using this from now on.

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Why can't the dock output the audio from the lightning connector to a line out socket?  Is it because it's all digital now?  If so, that sucks.

 

Does your audio equipment have digital line inputs?  If not, then there's nothing to be gained from using the audio output via the Lightning connector vs the headphone jack.

 

The point of digital audio via the Lightning port is to get audio to/from your iDevice without any loss of signal quality.  You need to be transferring audio to/from a device which can handle digital audio to take advantage of that.

 
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I'd love to hear Apple Insider or someone with the technical skills commenting on whether it makes sense of Apple to add a Lightning port to Mac laptops.

For charging, it makes no sense. But it might make sense for peripherals such as audio/music/photography accessories and audio/video in/out devices to work with both iPads and MacBook Airs. Apple would get more sales. We'd get double value for what we buy.
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The biggest issue I have with the Belkin dock using an existing cable is that the current Lightning connectors are all friction-fit with that little snap/click when they're seated.

 

As such, it would seem to me that you're going to have to hold the thing down fairly hard when trying to remove the phone from the dock. Given the addition of the phono port, it would also seem that it's pretty dependent on the current phone's dimensions and placement of the jack.

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I hope you realize that will never, and should never happen. That's how you grow brand recognition. Why even have a logo if you're not even going to put it on your products?

 

A logo is fine (as long as it's well-designed), but having the company name scrawled everywhere is annoying.  The vast majority of respected brands have recognized this.  For example, you don't see "Mercedes Benz" printed across the hood of the car.

 
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I'd love to hear Apple Insider or someone with the technical skills commenting on whether it makes sense of Apple to add a Lightning port to Mac laptops.
For charging, it makes no sense. But it might make sense for peripherals such as audio/music/photography accessories and audio/video in/out devices to work with both iPads and MacBook Airs. Apple would get more sales. We'd get double value for what we buy.

 

Firewire was designed with the same idea in mind (easy to integrate into all sorts of peripherals).  But outside of a few Sony cameras (under the iLink moniker), it never took off because everyone flocked to USB, which was cheaper to license, and Intel pushed hard because USB requires a computer (which is where Intel dominates) due to its complexity.

 

We'll have to wait and see how complicated and expensive it is to integrate Lightning into other products to find out if Apple has this in mind or not.

 

Edit: Also, I think Thunderbolt would make more sense as the connection choice for peripheral makers.


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If you are using the Rich Text editor you can drag them from any website directly into the editor window. Some websites won't serve images to another website but other than that restriction it works fine. The only time you need to upload images is if the image only exists on your computer such as a photo you took.

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...and they will ship just after Belkin's Thunderbolt dock becomes available.
 

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Do you really have to manually feed the Lightning cable through like that?  No thanks, I'll wait for one which has a passthrough connector to avoid that tedium.

 
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Do you really have to manually feed the Lightning cable through like that?  No thanks, I'll wait for one which has a passthrough connector to avoid that tedium.

I'm wondering if they even have a license to make Lightning cables. They make you use your own cable for the dock and the car charger doesn't sync so perhaps they have manufactured their own pin outs that is reversible since it wouldn't need the authentication chip just for charging. I certainly don't see a Made for iPhone logo on their page.

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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

 

 

The grey is all that the dock should be. It's just hideous and bloated as-is.


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Do you really have to manually feed the Lightning cable through like that?  No thanks, I'll wait for one which has a passthrough connector to avoid that tedium.
Yeah, this dock appears to be a design Belkin is rushing to market based on the leaks ... They probably don't have time to incorporate the actual lightning connector. As such, it really doesn't need to be an official lightning connector, as it actually doesn't need to license anything from Apple. This design could just have easily been used with the 30-pin dock connector.

I absolutely hate the optional 1/8" audio jack. That is a horrible solution to anything, and nothing more than a stop gap measure to rush this disaster to market. I would really hate to have to pull this thing apart after every time I docked my phone.

The fact Belkin has announced this is NOT PROOF the conference has taken place. Since the car charger is the only real Lightning accessory, For which there could be no other solution, bviously Belkin is hedging its bets that it will be able to comply with Apple's guidelines, at least as far as the charger is concerned. The dock is merely designed to give people an option of a dock as soon as possible until Apple streamlines the requirements for new docks. This design most likely will get its own built-in Lightning port following he holidays after the interface has been engineered, and sold in two models ... Budget and deluxe.
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I hope you realize that will never, and should never happen. That's how you grow brand recognition. Why even have a logo if you're not even going to put it on your products?

 

I would argue that there are many ways to put your logo on your products.  It doesn't have to be big, ugly, and centred on the front of the device.  Additionally, this is not actually how you "grow a brand."  You grow a brand by making great products associated with that brand.  You can put a big logo front and centre on everything you make but if the product isn't good it won't grow the brand.  You can also leave off the logo or put it in a more discrete area and still "grow the brand." 

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Edit: Also, I think Thunderbolt would make more sense as the connection choice for peripheral makers.

 

Based on what (little) I've seen in the market so far, I'm not optimistic. I'm guessing that Thunderbolt must be more expensive to implement than alternative technologies such as USB, because Thunderbolt versions of Lacie drives and Blackmagic Design interfaces cost 25-33% more than otherwise-identical USB3 versions. Then, on top of that, add ANOTHER FIFTY BUCKS PER DEVICE for the damn cable.

 

Aside from the obvious benefit of daisy-chaining, I can't find an application in my production rig for which USB3 won't do just as well for much lower cost. Sure, TB has four times the bandwidth, but when USB3 already offers twice as much as I can ever imagine actually *needing* there's no tangible advantage.

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Originally Posted by v5v View Post
Aside from the obvious benefit of daisy-chaining, I can't find an application in my production rig for which USB3 won't do just as well for much lower cost.

 

Move at 10Gbps simultaneously both ways. 640k ought to be enough for anyone.

 

And you act as though it will always cost this much.

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Wondering if that dock will work with the 4th gen iPad as well? Really annoyed Apple didn't make a new one for it.
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Ah bummer! I thought you'd knew what I meant with that: yes you can simply post a link to the image, but with vBulletin we were able to see the actual URL where the image pointed to. With Huddler, we need to upload the image, in spite of the misleading image you post.

Point, to me, is: we were able to see the URL for the images' origen, and therefore discover sites fellow posters read. But from my brevity I understand no one could've taken my point. Sorry 'bout that.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
Point, to me, is: we were able to see the URL for the images' origen, and therefore discover sites fellow posters read. But from my brevity I understand no one could've taken my point. Sorry 'bout that.


Oh, that doesn't happen anymore? I thought you could then travel to the image's own page (each image has a page…) and see the original filename and location. Oh, well.

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Ah bummer! I thought you'd knew what I meant with that: yes you can simply post a link to the image, but with vBulletin we were able to see the actual URL where the image pointed to. With Huddler, we need to upload the image, in spite of the misleading image you post.

Point, to me, is: we were able to see the URL for the images' origen, and therefore discover sites fellow posters read. But from my brevity I understand no one could've taken my point. Sorry 'bout that.

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I hope you realize that will never, and should never happen. That's how you grow brand recognition. Why even have a logo if you're not even going to put it on your products?

Funny how Apple's iDevices don't have any branding on the front. Before Apple, conventional wisdom had that your brand had to be on the front face of the electronic device.

With this goofy "dock", Belkin is telling us their brand sucks.

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Edit: Also, I think Thunderbolt would make more sense as the connection choice for peripheral makers.

Devices with single or dual flash chips don't saturate USB 2.0. Why go to that expense until it does? Also, I don't see TB happening for devices until most computers are shipped with such a connector.
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