Originally Posted by SDW2001
1. One of Obama's important mentors was Frank Marshall Davis, a literal card-carrying member of the communist party. In his books, he speaks of spending time with "Frank" frequently. Davis was sought out by Obama's grandfather specifically to provide political and general guidance.
2. Obama had a longstanding relationship with Professor Derrick Bell, who was a strong proponent of Critical Race Theory. Bell was critical of the message of Martin Luther King and opposed the "colorblind" goals for which King and other Civil Rights leaders worked. Bell was another mentor of Obama. There is video footage of Obama praising Bell and his "teachings."
3. Obama had a close relationship with former Weather Underground terrorist and leftist radical Bill Ayers. While Obama downplayed his relationship in his first campaign (making it seem as if he didn't even know him), the truth is they had a long relationship. In fact, the beginnings of Obama's political career include Ayers, who hosted a coffee klatch-type event for the would-be State Senator. Obama and Ayers also served as founding board members of the Woods Fund of Chicago.
So..there you have it. A communist mentor? Check. A radical racist professor? Check. Associating with a known (and unapologetic) domestic terrorist? Check!
Well alrighty then! Most things can be made to look worse than they actually are. Perspective, context and spin being key to everything...
First, can I ask you a simple question? Is being "liberal" or believing in "Socialism" or even "Communism" somehow and automatically "Anti-American" or "Anti-American Constitution" in your eyes?
Second, when you preface a description with the fully-loaded right-wing/Fox 'news' frame of "Card carrying member of <insert any organization here>…" you reveal a lot. Your common sources, for one, and a rather built-in prejudice for "all things not like me" as another.
For example: a "communist mentor"…? And what? Is there something wrong with that, and if so why…? Has that mentor advocated that we abolish the Constitution or something? Has Obama, aside from admiring the advice and intellect of the man, espoused a core belief in the Communist system? Well, no. We can't say that he has...
I have had two "communist mentors" in my lifetime. Great thinkers, both British as it turns out, and both teaching at University in Paris… one teaching political science, and the other lecturing on political history. That they were Communists (of the French political variety, not remotely Stalinists or even Marxist purists) didn't make them dark, sinister or conspiratorial. They just believed in a system that is not purely capitalistic. Actually, their form of Communism was probably closer to our modern definition of social-democracy, but that's another discussion.
In short, my point is there is no harm in having great mentors. Even those who may advocate differently than your own beliefs. I'm neither a Communist nor do I advocate for the system it espouses. And yet I learned much from those 'mentors'. I fail to derive anything negative or "sinister" in that association.
When you talk about Bell, and then call him "another mentor" of Obama's, I begin to question your application of the term "mentor". Simply studying the writings of people who think, who develop theories, and present them…. is not the same as being "mentored". That Obama might find AMONG those ideas some of great merit is not surprising. Bell is a fairly prolific social philosopher. One who has actually disagreed with himself over time. Much as the great scientist Stephen Hawking has done too, I might add… I don't recall seeing Obama promoting or even embracing the Critical Race Theory. One can praise a great thinker even if one doesn't always agree with everything they espouse. Obama has run in intellectual circles. That's just how they roll.He obvioulsy has a more open and curious mind than you do… I'm glad for it, as I think it makes him a better President than some of the more narrow-minded we've had recently (*cough* Bush/Cheney *cough*)...
And then we come to the highly-decorated-with-right-wing-labels, the former "terrorist" and "leftist radical" Mr. Ayers...
Yes, Mr. Ayers was something of a loose cannon in his youth… you know, about the same time our President was in his politically formative years…. in diapers?
By the time our President first met Mr. Ayers, he had become the "pretty much completely reformed former terrorist and leftist radical"… who prefaced many conversation with the disclaimer that much of what he was most famous for he was wrong about, and yet……. leave it Fox et al to seize on 50 year-old history and try to imply that no-one ever evolves, grows or matures….. and perhaps it's true of THEM… you can only preach what you know, right?
So, I can only conclude that you're trying to arrive at some sinister conclusion because the man who is our President ran around with thought-provoking intellectuals and former radical (keyword being 'former')… as if that mind and perspective-broadening experience could be construed as a bad thing…? Only if he's trying to subvert the Constitution and replace with Mein Kampf… or a Marxist state. which he clearly is not.
You know what I say to your clearly Fox-brewed spin here? Bah, humbug! (That last word has a definition… you should look it up).