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that's not what i'm saying. I'm saying if you sell 30MM phones in a qtr, you should announce it. The fact that Sammy isn't says something.

 

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=20102

 

This doesn't count?

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This plainly demonstrates that there is a legitimate market for larger screen phones. Apple could have a significant number of those sales if they had a 4.8 inch device. Personally, I think they will diversify and that there will be a larger screen iPhone sometime this spring. What they do in iOS with two iPhone screen resolutions is a big big deal and I do not know how they will work it out. But from a pure marketing standpoint, they absolutely have to move into that space.
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And how would you prop up sales and still maintain margins? Some people expect a new iphone every 4th qtr. They aren't going to buy the current one if they believe a new one is coming out within weeks no matter how much incentives you add. Tim Cook knows what he's doing. Apple has been doing it the last 5 years.

 

How? As I've said, that's up to Cook to figure out. I've already given two suggestions... someone else has given another. Not everyone who is buying a phone from another company is buying it because it's cheap. Why is Apple losing those sales? That is a question that any good business person should ask. personally I don't think Apple has to lose that many sales. Even adding another 4 or 5 million iPhone sales to the 4th fiscal quarter would be better than allowing Samsung to eat your lunch.

 

By the way... Apple's last quarter before launch was not always the lowest quarter for iPhone sales.

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This plainly demonstrates that there is a legitimate market for larger screen phones. Apple could have a significant number of those sales if they had a 4.8 inch device. Personally, I think they will diversify and that there will be a larger screen iPhone sometime this spring. What they do in iOS with two iPhone screen resolutions is a big big deal and I do not know how they will work it out. But from a pure marketing standpoint, they absolutely have to move into that space.


No, actually they don't.

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This plainly demonstrates that there is a legitimate market for larger screen phones. 

 

Really?

 

So when they're up against a phone that was widely known to be due for an upgrade, doesn't get any discounts, and had a far smaller screen, Samsung only managed to ship  2million more?

 

This plainly demonstrates that the iPhone4s screen is plenty big enough, and the popularity of the iPhone5 proves that there is a significant number of people who don't want a phone as big as their face.

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No, actually they don't.

 

And I suspect they won't.

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Originally Posted by drwam View Post
This plainly demonstrates that there is a legitimate market for larger screen phones. Apple could have a significant number of those sales if they had a 4.8 inch device. Personally, I think they will diversify and that there will be a larger screen iPhone sometime this spring. What they do in iOS with two iPhone screen resolutions is a big big deal and I do not know how they will work it out. But from a pure marketing standpoint, they absolutely have to move into that space.

 

Nothing here is based in fact.

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post #48 of 84

Numbers from analyst means nothing.....

 

IF the Samsung SIII was really beating Apple in sales, Samsung should, and probably would, officially announce the numbers..   Do not treat some made up numbers by an analyst, as FACT..

 

 

I voted Tuesday..   I saw five or six people using their phones while waiting in line..   ALL were iPhones..   The only non Apple phone I saw was one of the 80 year old poll workers..   She had a flip phone.. 1embarassed.gif

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post #49 of 84
Shipped does not equal sold. You are comparing two entirely different things. But you already knew that. Link bait.
post #50 of 84
Just add phone features to iPad Mini and sell it for $199 with a two year contract
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
" [...] as consumers temporarily held off purchases in anticipation of a widely expected iPhone 5 upgrade at the end of the quarter."

 

Sales of the year-old iPhone model slow down every year, just before the new model is released.

Then there's a spike in sales of the new model.  As always.  Rinse, repeat, profit.

 

Speaking of which, Apple Insider posted a story about iPhone 5 web usage surpassing that of the Galaxy S III after just three weeks on the market:

 

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/10/12/study-iphone-5-web-usage-surges-past-samsung-galaxy-s-iii

 

Will be interesting to see how well iPhone 5 does in Apple's FY Q1 (calendar year Q4.)

It's already off to a great start.  As always.  Rinse, repeat, profit.

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post #52 of 84
Originally Posted by winstein2010 View Post
Just add phone features to iPad Mini and sell it for $199 with a two year contract

 

Please tell me this is a joke.

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post #53 of 84
The Galaxy S3 is also very crash prone. I know several people with galaxy's and they are all having a random reboot issue. It's also all over the web. I like android as well as ios but the galaxy s3 to me is junk.
post #54 of 84
Can we please get an overview of sales of both the iPhone4, 4S and 5 - and the S, SII, SIII
Or maybe just 4S, 5 and SII, SIII
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Originally Posted by FarligOrm View Post

Can we please get an overview of sales of both the iPhone4, 4S and 5 - and the S, SII, SIII
Or maybe just 4S, 5 and SII, SIII

Neither Apple nor Samsung break out model specific shipment/sales numbers. Numbers from IDC or any of the other companies offering projections are just their best "edjimicated" guesses based at least in part on carrier and retailer surveys.

 

So no there aren't any verified numbers for each of the models you asked about. Apple does at least do a tad better by reporting what inventory they believe remains in resellers stock allowing a fairly good estimate of sell-thru, tho at what point, by who and how accurately the inventory is counted and reported hasn't been mentioned I don't believe. Still much better than most (any?) of their competitors.

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While I will agree shipped does not equal sold. However we all would have to agree that no company will really make over a 35 million phones just to sit them on the shelves. I see Galaxy S IIIs in the wild everyday. They are almost like the iPhone. Yes Samsung is showing shipped numbers. However people are buying them and in groves. It may not be as popular as the iPhone but the Galaxy S III is a definite success. Seriously do you think Samsung would really make 23 million phones and keep making them if no one is buying them. Why in the world would any for profit company do something as stupid as that.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

This device has a very impressive sales[/shipment rate.
  • May 29 — sold to 28 countries
  • June 20 — released in N. America
  • July 22 — 10 millionth unit sold/shipped
  • Sept 6 — 20 millionth unit sold/shipped
  • Nov 3 — 30 millionth unit sold/shipped
Regardless of if you like this device, Android or Samsung these are impressive numbers. Even if you think they are all "fake" numbers because they are not reports from quarterly earnings on sales in the same way Apple releases numbers they have still sold nearly that many as it does not behoove Samsung to keep producing a product they can't move. Bottom line this device is a huge success.
That said, it's only bested the iPhone 4S at the every end of its cycle, and just barely, but no other no competitor's phone has come close to the iPhone in years so it's something to be commended.

 

Indeed. To try and diminish what Samsung has accomplished by dissecting sales cycles is to be in denial. If iPhone 5 beats Galaxy S3 in the Christmas quarter, should Samsung fans whine that it is only because the iPhone 5 is newer?

 

It's all about iPhone v. Galaxy S, and no longer about iOS and Android. As for the sold v. shipped argument, it's really old and pointless.


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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

 

Sales of the year-old iPhone model slow down every year, just before the new model is released.

Then there's a spike in sales of the new model.  As always.  Rinse, repeat, profit.

 

Not true. It wasn't always that way.

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While I will agree shipped does not equal sold. However we all would have to agree that no company will really make over a 35 million phones just to sit them on the shelves. I see Galaxy S IIIs in the wild everyday. They are almost like the iPhone. Yes Samsung is showing shipped numbers. However people are buying them and in groves. It may not be as popular as the iPhone but the Galaxy S III is a definite success. Seriously do you think Samsung would really make 23 million phones and keep making them if no one is buying them. Why in the world would any for profit company do something as stupid as that.


Indeed.

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While I will agree shipped does not equal sold. However we all would have to agree that no company will really make over a 35 million phones just to sit them on the shelves. I see Galaxy S IIIs in the wild everyday. They are almost like the iPhone. Yes Samsung is showing shipped numbers. However people are buying them and in groves. It may not be as popular as the iPhone but the Galaxy S III is a definite success. Seriously do you think Samsung would really make 23 million phones and keep making them if no one is buying them. Why in the world would any for profit company do something as stupid as that.

Does this mean they are selling really well in Florida?!

 

Couldn't help myself... sorry.

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post #61 of 84
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Without actual published sales figures you can take this 'clickbait' article and wipe your arse with it.

I was reading this on an iPad and decided to try this.

I don't recommend it to anybody else.
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

Does this mean they are selling really well in Florida?!

Couldn't help myself... sorry.

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So in your mind Samsung is simply producing phones and stock piling them?  Really?  That there is NO WAY they can be actually selling this many phones?  That they have a magic warehouse somewhere they ship the phones too. I love ignorance.

It really would help if you could learn to process information a little better.

 

In different markets, the extent of stockpiling will be different. Every company engages in some level of channel-stuffing. In high-growth markets, there is an even greater tendency for firms to do that, as we've seen time and time again, especially in the telecom industry.

 

Samsung is getting a lot of play on it's market share numbers, and it is certainly possible that they are stockpiling in higher-end markets such as the US to feed the buzz. In other markets such as India and China (and where there's lower competition from Apple), it's quite possible they are not stockpiling, but producing great-looking numbers by selling low-end crap. If Samsung really wants to tell the truth, they have a simple option: report it, like Apple does. If they don't, I will simply assume, as an investor, that they have something to hide or they have nothing much to brag about. (They are able to get away with this because they are a Korean company and not bound by the same segment reporting requirements as in the US).

 

I have no clue about actual facts, is what I am saying. Nor do you (unless you work for Samsung). The bottom line is they are keeping folks like you completely ignorant about their actual numbers and the motives for not revealing those numbers.

 

I love ignorant people talking about ignorance of others.

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My god... how insecure must iPhone users be?. The first whiff of them not having the most popular phone and then all the conspiracy theories come out.

Who gives a $h1t who is selling what... you should just be happy with the device you have regardless.

I suppose you guys are still getting use to the fact that the iPhone is no longer the best handset out there and now this!

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My god... how insecure must iPhone users be?. The first whiff of them not having the most popular phone and then all the conspiracy theories come out.

Who gives a $h1t who is selling what... you should just be happy with the device you have regardless.

I suppose you guys are still getting use to the fact that the iPhone is no longer the best handset out there and now this!


Someone was asking about the definition of a troll the other day...

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Originally Posted by petrosy View Post
I suppose you guys are still getting use to the fact that the iPhone is no longer the best handset out there and now this!

 

I think it's hilarious that people try to redefine the word 'best' to Apple's detriment.

 

So 'best' no longer means "highest customer satisfaction", "highest quality", "fastest device", "most desirable UI", "largest and most successful ecosystem", or "greatest profits", while simultaneously STILl meaning "most crap crapped out".

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IMO, Apple should have made the iPad mini with a Phablet option (one more thing) and have it come out with a cool Bluetooth earpiece.  This would mean the iPad mini has a wifi, wifi + 4G data, and wifi + 4G data + voice.  Doing this would have better justified the iPad mini space better and would have been an easy way to test the Phablet market.  Everyone that loves the Phablet thinks that they can all still be bigger.  Once you are reserved to using a Bluetooth head set or a headphone, it just doesn't matter how big you get.  Add contract pricing and this would fit well in Apple's pricing strategy, as well.

 

They could try a voice model but the mini is still pretty big to carry around.  I was thinking of 1280x720 (720p) phone that would be retina.  I am not sure if the screen would be big enough at that resolution (can anyone calculate the size?)

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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post
I am not sure if the screen would be big enough at that resolution (can anyone calculate the size?)

 

What size are we talkin'?

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What size are we talkin'?

 

What would be the screen size of a device that has a retina display (same pixels per inch) with a 1280x720 resolution.  The iPhone 5 as a resolution of 1136x640 at 326 pixels per inch.

 

So what size would a 1280x720 screen be at  326 PPI?

and while at it, what size would a 1920x1080 screen be at 326 PPI?

 

Thats your daily pop quiz question :-)

 

Ok, since the resolution difference is about 12.6% bigger, I think the screen would be 12.6% bigger, so 4 x 1.126 = 4.5" for the 720p device. But I am not sure I can just apply the % on the diagonal. Well 4.5" would be the screen size.

 

I will just draw it and mesure it up.  The iPhone 5 is 3.5" x 2"   At 326 ppi we have 4" x 2.2" for the (1280/326)x(720/326) phone.  Ok going to draw that and mesure the diagonal.


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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post
What would be the screen size of a device that has a retina display (same pixels per inch) with a 1280x720 resolution.  The iPhone 5 as a resolution of 1136x640 at 326 pixels per inch.

 

So what size would a 1280x720 screen be at  326 PPI?

and while at it, what size would a 1920x1080 screen be at 326 PPI?

 

Oh, I see.

 

1280x720 is 326 PPI at 4.5". 

1280x720 at 4" is 367 PPI.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Oh, I see.

 

1280x720 is 326 PPI at 4.5". 

1280x720 at 4" is 367 PPI.

 

yep, and the 1080p phone would be 6.7"  at 326 PPI.

 

So if Apple makes a phablet should it go for the 4.5" phone or the 6.7" phone?  :-)

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yep, and the 1080p phone would be 6.7"  at 326 PPI.

 

So if Apple makes a phablet should it go for the 4.5" phone or the 6.7" phone?  :-)


The real questions...

 

Should it have a stylus and should it come in brown.

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The real questions...

 

Should it have a stylus and should it come in brown.

 

lol, like I said almost anything would be better than a stylus.  I was thinking of discreet "spy style" bluetooth ear/micro.  I am saying this because at my work place we think the guy (IT geek) that walk around all day long with its bluetooth look pretty stupid. btw we are all IT where I work, its just that some fit the stereotype more than others.

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Maybe Toyota outsold Nissan. Maybe Coke outsold Pepsi. Who gives a shit?

 

Lots of fanboys....and some angry AAPL stockholders like me.

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Really? The first time in the long, long, long 8 month (at that time) history of that device?
The launch and availability weren't global, e.g. it was only released at the end of june in North America.
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how long did they wait for Jelly Bean? And how many are still waiting?
Well I know some people who are still waiting for say Siri over their perfectly capable iPhone 4 updated to iOS 6, i.e. the "restricted version"... If you are able to update iOS but are arbitrarily denied access -IMEI blocking for Siri- or left out of the new software features (turn-by-turn navigation, panorama, etc) you will have to wait ad vitam aeternam for such deliberate limitation to be reversed by Apple.
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Originally Posted by Sensi View Post
Well I know some people who are still waiting for say Siri over their perfectly capable iPhone 4…

 

Thing is, it isn't. So they'll wait forever.


…arbitrarily denied access -IMEI blocking for Siri-

 

Uh, what? Mind explaining how that works on the devices that don't have IMEIs?

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The Galaxy S3 is also very crash prone. I know several people with galaxy's and they are all having a random reboot issue. It's also all over the web. I like android as well as ios but the galaxy s3 to me is junk.

 

sounds like my MacBook Pro Retina 15" I just bought (less than a month ago)..   Spent the first two weeks troubleshooting Wifi/Bluetooth prob (which, otw, is all over the web and Apple hasn't fixed), now it crashes every 3-4 days. 

 

Well, I'm not running NASA's Mars Curiosity mission control center or anything, but I try to be brand neutral. To me MacBook Pro Retina is a junk. I guess nothing is perfect. 1smoking.gif


Edited by tooltalk - 11/8/12 at 6:00pm
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You can't add models.This isn't a brand survey, it's a device survey. 

 

This is only because one device ramped up and another was winding down for a new one. Next quarter all will return to normal. Nothing to really see here. Though I suppose it's good news to Samsung since there are 9000 Android phones.

 

So should the quad core "international" S III be added to the dual core "4G" S III?

 

Samsung reported 30 million "delivered" whatever the hell that means, maybe they figure it sounds more "smooth", than "shipped".

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

This device has a very impressive sales[/shipment rate.
  • May 29 — sold to 28 countries
  • June 20 — released in N. America
  • July 22 — 10 millionth unit sold/shipped
  • Sept 6 — 20 millionth unit sold/shipped
  • Nov 3 — 30 millionth unit sold/shipped
Regardless of if you like this device, Android or Samsung these are impressive numbers. Even if you think they are all "fake" numbers because they are not reports from quarterly earnings on sales in the same way Apple releases numbers they have still sold nearly that many as it does not behoove Samsung to keep producing a product they can't move. Bottom line this device is a huge success.
That said, it's only bested the iPhone 4S at the every end of its cycle, and just barely, but no other no competitor's phone has come close to the iPhone in years so it's something to be commended.

The device sold well on its own merit, both in terms of suitable numbers to justify its development and show growth over prior models. That in itself is something that's relatively easy to establish without getting back to the endless debate.

 

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We may be entering a new era where Apple products are released when the technology is available in quantity to manufacture them... The iPad 4 may be an example of this.
Phones are different (because of the carrier subsidy) but even that may be changing.

I welcome the day that phone hardware costs aren't buried by high interest loans built into your monthly plan. It's possible that they'll adjust their release cycle, but this would probably burn out the people who upgrade every cycle. Apple would obviously have a lot more data on their own customer patterns, and this may represent a small fraction of their total sales.

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sounds like my MacBook Pro Retina 15" I just bought (less than a month ago)..   Spent the first two weeks troubleshooting Wifi/Bluetooth prob (which, otw, is all over the web and Apple hasn't fixed), now it crashes every 3-4 days. 

 

Well, I'm not running NASA's Mars Curiosity mission control center or anything, but I try to be brand neutral. To me MacBook Pro Retina is a junk. I guess nothing is perfect. 1smoking.gif


I may have to end in my own 2011 macbook pro. It's started to show a disturbing backlight bleed effect whenever it's running hot. I have to wonder if this is due to warping at high temperatures or something of that sort. Either way it's annoying and I'm going to try Apple + authorized repair centers to see who gives me the fastest repair time.

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