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The head of Microsoft's Windows division Steven Sinofsky is leaving the company effective immediately, with rumors suggesting the circumstances are similar to the recent departure of Apple executive Scott Forstall.

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Former President of Windows and Windows Live Steven Sinofsky at the Windows 8 event in October. | Source: Microsoft


According to AllThingsD, Microsoft's official stance is that Sinofsky is leaving on amicable terms, though people familiar with the matter said "growing tension" between the Windows chief and other executives may have helped move along the decision.

In a press release issued by Microsoft, CEO Steve Ballmer briefly lauded Sinofsky's previous work before noting the launch of Windows 8, Surface and Halo 4, among other company products.

?It is impossible to count the blessings I have received over my years at Microsoft. I am humbled by the professionalism and generosity of everyone I have had the good fortune to work with at this awesome company,? Sinofsky said in the statement.

In a letter to Microsoft employees obtained by The Verge, Ballmer wrote that Sinofsky "decided to leave the company."

Sinofsky was instrumental in the creation and development of Microsoft's new flagship Windows 8 operating system, as well as Surface, the company's first in-house designed and manufactured computer. The former executive ruffled some feathers after the launch of Windows 8 in October when he called upcoming Windows computers great deals compared to "recreational tablets," alluding to Apple's iPad mini.

The executive's departure is similar to the ousting of Apple's former head of iOS Scott Forstall, who was also said to be difficult to work with.

Julie Larson-Green, who previously held multiple roles as she worked on Internet Explorer, Microsoft Office and a number of other major initiatives, will take some of Sinofsky's duties in leading all Windows software and hardware engineering. Current Windows and Windows Live CFO and marketing head Tami Reller will add the "business of Windows" to her responsibilities. Both executives will report directly to Ballmer.
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Forstell moves to MS. Sinofsky joins Apple.
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Forstell moves to MS. Sinofsky joins Apple.
God I hope not.

Have you SEEN Windows 8/Metro? What a train wreck ...
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Forstell moves to MS. Sinofsky joins Apple.

No need for Sinofsky.  Apple has Jony Ive, who could fart a grand design better than Sinofsky could ever dream of one.

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Sinofsky is bailing out before the Windows 8 disaster causes sales to plunge.

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Sinofsky is a major jerk. Microsoft will be better off without him.
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If ones greatest contribution to an emerging art is a kickstand and detachable keyboard, then just leaving is probably an easy out!

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God I hope not.
Have you SEEN Windows 8/Metro? What a train wreck ...


Windows 8 Metro is actually a lot better than the Start menu. At least now everything is easier to get to and I can organize things a lot better than what I was able to do with the Start Menu.

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Sinofsky is bailing out before the Windows 8 disaster causes sales to plunge.

How is Windows 8 a disaster though?

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Steve Ballmer consolidates his power. Good. The blame will not be spread around when Windows 8 / RT fails.

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I guess that, when the software that you design locks up in the presentation that you give, you have to leave soon thereafter.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-gAAKxjx1o

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No need for Sinofsky.  Apple has Jony Ive, who could fart a grand design better than Sinofsky could ever dream of one.

A better design... You're right, because the iPad is such a great design.

 

I'm not an Apple hater just to clear the air, I own a few Apple products and I love Apple (especially when Steve was alive) but the iPad (from what I've seen) doesn't bring any innovation what so ever - unless you count making the same thing bigger (in this case, the iPod Touch).

 

I also love Microsoft and I think the Surface does bring more innovation than the iPad. I'm waiting for the Surface Pro in January and I can't wait to get it.

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How is Windows 8 a disaster though?


The reviews I have read have been generally negative across the board. PC Magazine was particularly harsh. People say it doesn't work well in the mouse & keyboards world - that it is touch focused. I have tried a non-touch-screen demo and did not like it at all. I am sticking to Windows 7.

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Windows 8 Metro is actually a lot better than the Start menu. At least now everything is easier to get to and I can organize things a lot better than what I was able to do with the Start Menu.
That may well be, but its one of the most confusing UIs I've ever seen. Bright garish colors, clashing with random square boxes and sliding tile bands, it's ridiculous. Every time I try to focus on a desktop screen, my eyes ache ... When I look away its like one of this American Flag optical illusions where you stare at the inverse colors and it appears correct when you look at a blank wall.

It's just a jumble of confusing ideas trying to mask the same old flimsy underpinnings. It looks like a bunch of software geeks and sales guys came up with it based on what they thought looked hip to the youngsters, and did absolutely no consumer testing.


Edited by Mac_128 - 11/12/12 at 7:28pm
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How is Windows 8 a disaster though?

Hint: Sinofsy's been fired.
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I'm not an Apple hater just to clear the air, I own a few Apple products and I love Apple (especially when Steve was alive) but the .......

Groan.

Do us all a favor. Please. Just slink away.....
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Steve also had some moments in his keynotes where things didn't go exactly to plan.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzDDO3Xb_QU - Apple Keynote Bloopers (demo failed)

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Hint: Sinofsy's been fired.

That doesn't mean Windows 8's a disaster..

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That doesn't mean Windows 8's a disaster..

That's true.

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A better design... You're right, because the iPad is IS such a great design.

 

I'm not an Apple hater just to clear the air, I own a few Apple products and I love Apple (especially when Steve was alive) but the iPad (from what I've seen) doesn't bring any innovation what so ever - unless you count making the same thing bigger (in this case, the iPod Touch) I have no idea what I am talking about.

 

I also love Microsoft and I think the Surface does bring more innovation than the iPad needed the kickstand. I'm waiting for the Surface Pro in January and I can't wait to get it out of here.

 

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the iPad (from what I've seen) doesn't bring any innovation what so ever - unless you count making the same thing bigger (in this case, the iPod Touch).

I also love Microsoft and I think the Surface does bring more innovation than the iPad.
Yes, that's why the iPad is the best selling computing device on the planet, and everybody including Microsoft copied it. That is, they copied the iPad after it was released, not the iPod Touch, because clearly nobody would ever want a bigger iPod Touch.

I'd love to know what innovations you think Microsoft is bringing to the game ... It's basically their tablet PC bill gates has been pushing since the 90s except its redesigned to look like an iPad. It has an integrated keyboard, just like a netbook or a laptop. And it has all the same ports as the netbooks and laptops that preceded it. Oh yes, and then there's that kickstand ... Turns the Surface into a picture frame ... Yeah that's fresh and original. Somebody might want to apply that to picture frams so instead of just hanging on the wall, they can sit on desks and tables. Oh but wait, if you use the built-in kick stand you won't be able to use a custom case from the hundreds of third party manufacturers that have been making kick-stand type cases since the iPad was launched. So innovative ...
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A month ago I posted that I intended to get Windows 8. The price looked OK until I read more specifically that I only could get that price if I updated my Windows OS. That price wasn't for a full fresh installation. Now I won't be buying Windows 8.

 

Sinofsky looked very nervous at the Surface presentation. It was probably because he suspected it wasn't ready. When his IE froze he probably knew it would happen and was cursing in his mind. Did he believe that incident would get him fired? Maybe he was thinking "That's the last straw. I'm out'a here."

 

The Surface project does look like an ambitious project that if done successfully will improve the portable personal computer. If it fails due to sub standard software Microsoft will crash. Sinofsky's leaving might be a portend of doom. If anybody would know the near future of Microsoft it would be him.

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Maybe they're eloping.
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This is more shocking than the Forstall departure. You guys trash talk him, but he was probably my favorite public Microsoft figure and always saw him as passionate, ambitious and visionary. I wonder if he's leaving because of reduced faith in the product and the company, or if he was kicked out because of 'friction' a la Forstall. 

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A better design... You're right, because the iPad is such a great design.

 

I'm not an Apple hater just to clear the air, I own a few Apple products and I love Apple (especially when Steve was alive) but the iPad (from what I've seen) doesn't bring any innovation what so ever - unless you count making the same thing bigger (in this case, the iPod Touch).

 

I also love Microsoft and I think the Surface does bring more innovation than the iPad. I'm waiting for the Surface Pro in January and I can't wait to get it.

 

No, you're right, the iPad wasn't innovative at all, it just created the tablet industry, which is why every single tablet now in existence is either completely based on it, or heavily inspired by it. Oh, and BTW the iPad was released under SJ, back when you "loved" Apple. I dont know what your definition of innovation is, but if you cant see how the iPad was innovative in so, so many ways, and how there was nothing like it when it was released, then there's no hope for you or any shred of objectivity you might have. 

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No point in over analyzing this one. It's just MS going back to their roots and copying Apple.

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If anyone was still wondering whether Win 8 was a disaster or not, here's your answer: disaster.

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This is more shocking than the Forstall departure. You guys trash talk him, but he was probably my favorite public Microsoft figure and always saw him as passionate, ambitious and visionary. I wonder if he's leaving because of reduced faith in the product and the company, or if he was kicked out because of 'friction' a la Forstall. 
I've heard it was friction. H didn't play nice with others and protected ans promoted all things Windows. I also heard he was partially responsible for Microsoft killing off the Courier concept.
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Yes, that's why the iPad is the best selling computing device on the planet, and everybody including Microsoft copied it. That is, they copied the iPad after it was released, not the iPod Touch, because clearly nobody would ever want a bigger iPod Touch.
I'd love to know what innovations you think Microsoft is bringing to the game ... It's basically their tablet PC bill gates has been pushing since the 90s except its redesigned to look like an iPad. It has an integrated keyboard, just like a netbook or a laptop. And it has all the same ports as the netbooks and laptops that preceded it. Oh yes, and then there's that kickstand ... Turns the Surface into a picture frame ... Yeah that's fresh and original. Somebody might want to apply that to picture frams so instead of just hanging on the wall, they can sit on desks and tables. Oh but wait, if you use the built-in kick stand you won't be able to use a custom case from the hundreds of third party manufacturers that have been making kick-stand type cases since the iPad was launched. So innovative ...

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Something tells me windows 8 is a flop
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That doesn't mean Windows 8's a disaster..

 

No, but it's a pretty strong hint that it is. Microsoft has the exit poll data, they're just waiting till the polls close in California to call it.

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The best (only?) way for Ballmer to stay in control of Microsoft is to fire everyone in his succession plan.

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No, but it's a pretty strong hint that it is. Microsoft has the exit poll data, they're just waiting till the polls close in California to call it.
Oh yeah I forgot Ballmer hired pollster Mark Penn. The data must be bad. They never announced Surface sales. You know if they were good sales figures would've been released.
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Another on bites the dust.

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God I hope not.
Have you SEEN Windows 8/Metro? What a train wreck ...

I don't know.  I have several friends that love the interface previously known as Metro.

 

I know several that hate it.

 

That means there is some genius in the design given it reminds me of the old CLI/Mouse days.  We know how that turned out.

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The reviews I have read have been generally negative across the board. PC Magazine was particularly harsh. People say it doesn't work well in the mouse & keyboards world - that it is touch focused. I have tried a non-touch-screen demo and did not like it at all. I am sticking to Windows 7.

Do you know how it does work great?

 

MagicMouse and MagicTrackpad.  Almost scary how well Windows 8 works with those two.

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I've heard it was friction. H didn't play nice with others and protected ans promoted all things Windows. I also heard he was partially responsible for Microsoft killing off the Courier concept.

Courier killed Courier.

 

It was an ill conceived product that was 5+ years from being able to ship as shown.  When the same gesture magically has 3 different meanings under the same exact concept, you know it was little more than a dream concept with no real meat.

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Windows 8. Surface. Etc.

 

But wouldn't it make more sense to rid of Ballmer? 


Edited by Quadra 610 - 11/12/12 at 8:47pm
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It's always a positive sign when the guy in charge of your recently released major new product leaves immediately afterwards!

 

The market will probably respond to this by knocking another 5% off Apple's stock.

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