Windows chief Steven Sinofsky leaves Microsoft - Page 3

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Originally Posted by Devon Tourond 

1 - How is the Surface dumb, awkward and makes no sense? What is it with you guys. Are you not capable of explaining yourselves...

 

Now if you're referring to the RT then I agree with you to a certain point. I don't like the RT because it runs on an ARM processor which means that I wouldn't be able to run legacy Windows apps. I have a hard time seeing the point in the RT but I'm waiting until the Pro is released because that is a real tablet. One that's definitely not dumb, awkward or one that makes no sense.

 

2 - Really? Frankenstein? Again, if you're talking about the Surface then I agree about not knowing whether it's a tablet or a laptop (correction: ultrabook) due to the fact that it runs on an ARM processor.

 

3 - As for the ad. It's far better than what Apple did with the latest iPod Touch. It's just an ad with iPod's bouncing everywhere with music playing, big whoop! I love the new iPod Touch but the ad for it is just lame. Microsoft actually worked hard at trying to make an ad for the Surface while Apple failed at making an ad that properly demonstrates the product.

Why would anybody want to run full blown windows on the surface. Because you can run Aftereffects, Illustrator, Pagemaker, or maybe Maya and Realflow ????

To just write an email reading books or surf a little in the web, there is certainly no need to have the full windows on this tablet. Thus I give if at all only the ARM based device al certain chance to get Microsoft some revenue. But for that to happen they will have to work hard on their ecosystem.

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Originally Posted by Devon Tourond 

1 - How is the Surface dumb, awkward and makes no sense? What is it with you guys. Are you not capable of explaining yourselves...

 

Now if you're referring to the RT then I agree with you to a certain point. I don't like the RT because it runs on an ARM processor which means that I wouldn't be able to run legacy Windows apps. I have a hard time seeing the point in the RT but I'm waiting until the Pro is released because that is a real tablet. One that's definitely not dumb, awkward or one that makes no sense.

 

2 - Really? Frankenstein? Again, if you're talking about the Surface then I agree about not knowing whether it's a tablet or a laptop (correction: ultrabook) due to the fact that it runs on an ARM processor.

 

3 - As for the ad. It's far better than what Apple did with the latest iPod Touch. It's just an ad with iPod's bouncing everywhere with music playing, big whoop! I love the new iPod Touch but the ad for it is just lame. Microsoft actually worked hard at trying to make an ad for the Surface while Apple failed at making an ad that properly demonstrates the product.

Yes, I was referring to the Surface RT in my post.

As for the ad, everybody knows what an iPod Touch is, Apple doesn't need an ad that shows it off in detail. Also, plenty of kids use iPod Touches. An ad with colorful iPod Touches bouncing around and music playing fits that product and their intended demographic just fine. And plenty of kids and other people will be getting iPod Touches for Christmas this year.

The MS surface ad, the Glee type ad, the one with all of the people snapping on keyboards and closing kickstands on the tablet with the added sound fx doesn't really say much about the product. People don't know what the Surface is, and they still don't know much after watching that ad. It also seems to target a young crowd, which is not good marketing, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Devon Tourond 

What is it with you guys. Are you not capable of explaining yourselves...

 

Time, Devon.

It's our most important currency...

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Originally Posted by drblank 

The interface reminds me of an OS that one might see on some cheap plastic fake tablet at Toys R Us.  It's a joke.

I don't know about that. I can see the point that it works better via touch, until you actually run something, but the colours make it inviting. OSX could do with some colours. It's rather drab in my opinion. Moreover, Microsoft has resolution independence which the Mac badly needs. You almost have to run OSX at a lower resolution just to see things properly, especially on Mac Minis attached to large screens.

The point is that MS is moving in the right direction with Windows 8. OSX is great but it seems to be stagnant. Everything is going into iOS which makes sense except that the consumer phone market is really fickle.

philip

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Originally Posted by Devon Tourond 

[nonsense followed by more nonsense]

Well, Devon, it's nice of you to register to present your alternate version of reality (I didn't actually count your posts, but given the count and the frequency in this thread, it seems you have only one purpose here) but, in this universe, the one where we actually live, all the signs, including Sinofsky's firing, point to the surface joining that pantheon of Microsoft products that include Bob, the Zune and the Kin. It's not clear if you are a shill or just an utterly misguided true believer in all things Microsoft, but it's been a while since we've had anyone post so much seemingly earnest BS in a single thread.

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

Microsoft getting hammered in premarket trading down almost 4% basically giving up all the gains made so far this year. Ouch.
The problem with the Surface is Microsoft never shows it being used without the kickstand or the touch cover. You never see it being used in portrait mode, which makes me wonder how well it works outside of landscape mode. Basically Microsoft is giving off the impression that you need a keyboard and trackpad to make this thing work. If that's the case why wouldn't someone just buy a thin and light laptop?

Actually, in the ads I've seen, you don't see it "being used" at all, just a lot of people tossing it around, snapping on their keyboards and popping out their kickstands. Apparently, that's enough fun that once you're done with that, you don't need to do anything else.

Originally Posted by Devon Tourond 
That doesn't mean Windows 8's a disaster..

No, but since it already is in its own right…

Originally Posted by Slurpy 
…the iPad wasn't innovative at all, it just created the tablet industry…

Recreated. Gotta give someone else credit for creation.

Originally Posted by Devon Tourond 
1 - Well it isn't..

I love this part of the gig. *ahem* "Prove it. Now."

Nearly three years of evidence laid out there for you. Prove. It.

I'll give you an easy starting point: why does every tablet made since the introduction of the iPad look* and operate identically to the iPad?

*Except, of course, for the ones that were legally forced to be different and are therefore different for the SOLE PURPOSE of not copying the iPad.

What does this have to do with the iPad or Windows 8?

Tell that to every smaller version of every product ever made. You're losing yourself in your lies and are beginning to just throw words together.

Got it, so zero modern Windows tablets are innovative because they are absolutely nothing more than bigger versions of Windows Phone 7.

Interestingly, the iPad is the opposite. The iPhone/iPod touch are smaller versions of the iPad. Not the other way around.

So once again, Windows 8 is in no way innovative while the iPad is.

Since the iPad has tens of millions of uses that the iPod touch cannot fulfill, I think we're done here. 

Fate, meet seal. Flavor seal. Doesn't expire as long as it's not opened again.

Originally Posted by anonymouse 
Actually, in the ads I've seen, you don't see it "being used" at all, just a lot of people tossing it around, snapping on their keyboards and popping out their kickstands.

The businessmen (with their scarily-crossed legs) almost got around to using it… but then it cut away. Probably to save Microsoft the embarrassment of showing people trying to use a product with a KICKSTAND on their legs. 

I don't know many people who let their bicycles ride them.

You made me laugh,

The Surface Pro is an even more compromise computer for running legacy apps, here is a quick list of some reason why Surface PRO is a doomed platform:

1) It's a hybrid plateform crossbreed between an touch unusable Desktop UI and a Keyboard-Mouse unusable Metro UI. 

2) a 10inch screen computer for PRO works is ridiculous, have you ever use legacy Windows apps on a 10 inch screen? It's not a PRO product this is a Toy PC like any sub 12inch Netbook.

3) The Surface Pro is missing the whole point of making a Tablet with PC like pricing, performance and autonomy, Microsoft is still follow the same and failed Tablets PC paradigm as they done 10 years ago.  Microsoft keep repeating their same mistake over and over again, according to them Windows XP, Vista and 7 they all supposed to be optimized for touch input, which they all failed in execution of a real Touch oriented product.

Sinofsky was caught swiping other employees tiles in Windows 8.

I just found this ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mof-Dq3hvWs&feature=player_embedded

OK, it's not really a good ad in terms of letting people know what you want to sell them, but hey, I think it's really funny, and quiet creative.

Originally Posted by 1983 
Good to see more women in positions of power within the tech industry. Wish there were more at Apple too.

If there's a woman that can do the best job, I imagine she'll be hired. No reason to meet a "quota" otherwise.

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Originally Posted by 1983 

Two ladies replacing Sinofsky at Microsoft. Good to see more women in positions of power within the tech industry. Wish there were more at Apple too.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

Originally Posted by 1983 
Good to see more women in positions of power within the tech industry. Wish there were more at Apple too.

 

If there's a woman that can do the best job, I imagine she'll be hired. No reason to meet a "quota" otherwise.

Back in the 1978-1989 time period when I had direct dealings with Apple, there were quite a few talented ladies who worked at Apple Headquarters.  None of them ever became top-level executives, however.  

Two of the most notables were Marion Kenworthy and Jean Richardson.  

The last time I saw Marion she was still at Apple...  Jean left to become a corporate VP at Microsoft.

It is kind of odd, that Apple hasn't had and doesn't have any ladies as top-level executives...  I don't believe there was any policy against this -- rather that it was just the way it worked out under the various regimes and management setups in a turbulent environment.   But I do believe that when there is a void or imbalance, you need to actively  seek to correct it.  Certainly the talent is available.... maybe Tim will address this!   ...I suspect that he ail!

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Originally Posted by 1983 

Two ladies replacing Sinofsky at Microsoft. Good to see more women in positions of power within the tech industry. Wish there were more at Apple too.

I read that Julie Larson-Green was one of the responsible software engineers for the tiles/Metro look!

I reckon Sinofsky has read the writing is on the wall for Windows and bailed before history repeats itself. Microsoft is almost at exactly the same point Apple was back in the late 90's when they launched OS8. It was proclaimed as the largest overhaul of the operating system since the Mac was released but it didn't last very long because of all the bugs and issues with stability that plagued Macs at the time. OS9 fixed some of the bugs but stability was always going to compromise the Mac's performance. So as we all know Apple had a leap of faith with Unix and brought out OSX. Microsoft doesn't have that luxury and are unfortunately stuck with an OS which doesn't perform well on the devices of the future.

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Originally Posted by Mac_128 


It's not just the backgrounds MS has chosen to use, it's the colors of the tiles themselves. All of the colors they present have the same intensity, so there's no contrast between them, even though they are different colors. It's like there's no understanding of how the human brain works here. Moreover, unlike the iOS, all of the titles are clustered together, blurring the lines between one tile and the other. They are uniformly square or rectangular, further confusing where one ends and the next begins, so that even if I know where I'm looking, it's hard to immediately focus on what I'm looking for. Adding a "live" tile, or worse multiple live tiles is going to be the equivalent of watching a bank of TVs at a department store after some kid has switched them all to different channels. You're not going to know where to look first as you have multiple source beckoning for your attention.
Now I haven't tried to customize the interface to know what's possible, but even if you can give each box and icon a choice of unlimited custom colors and intensities, there's still the problem of uniform shape clustered together. iOS ran into the problem about three years in, and responded by App grouping, but even that solution is getting a little long in the tooth. However, unlike MS, there is some space between the Apps grid, allowing the eye to easily distinguish between them. And each App has a unique design which helps to immediately identify it. If all the Apps were in identical boxes with a color border, it would be much more difficult, especially if each border could be customized. And ultimately, the Apps are laid out on a grid so that even if you don't recall an Apps icon, you know where to look on the screen. Bottom left, top right, etc. but the tiles on Windows look like a Tetris game -- the tile you're looking for may be bottom left, but embedded somewhere in a cluster of unrelated tiles. The MS interface simultaneously homogenizes and renders inconsistent the tiles, making them incredibly difficult to navigate quickly or easily. Now I don't know if the color choices are customizable or not, but the choices they are making in Redmond suggest either someone is colorblind, or simply has bad taste. If fully customizable, I'm sure businesses around the world are going to be thrilled at the number of hours it's going to consume as each employee adjusts the parameters of each individual tile on the start screen, day after day until they arrive at a pleasing color palette which allows them to "efficiently" do their job. And god help the temp who comes in and tries to navigate an employee's custom setup when they're on vacation or out sick ...

You can arrange tiles how you like, and most apps have an image for icon. You can choose which program to put in the start menu.

That's called choice. You can turn that every way you like, but iOS is far from giving users that freedom.

I think the UI is very user friendly and enticing.

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Originally Posted by anonymouse 

 

Actually, in the ads I've seen, you don't see it "being used" at all, just a lot of people tossing it around, snapping on their keyboards and popping out their kickstands. Apparently, that's enough fun that once you're done with that, you don't need to do anything else.

So Micro just invented a $500 thing that goes click.....

Even the ad flogging the "clicking" of the cover is not even original. Apple used that as the centerpiece of their iPad 2 smart cover campaign.....   

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=apple+2+smart+cover+commercial&docid=4864802858205238&mid=E85DF49CF126EB19A64AE85DF49CF126EB19A64A&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3

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Originally Posted by nikon133 


No.
Since I did an upgrade on top of my Windows 7 Enterprise (which was running from Windows 7 release), and kept all the already installed software... Windows 8 boots much, much faster. My desktop PC boots in about 20 seconds from cold start. If you ignore POST part of boot sequence (which is not OS related), Windows 8 boots easily in half the time Windows 7 took on same configuration and with same software installed.

That's no feat since Windows 8 doesn't boot the desktop at startup, which is the part where generally craps ware slowdown boot time. 

Don't get me wrong, Windows 8 must be the most optimize windows version ever but It doens't solved any of old Windows issues, giving a dual head UI beast to Windows just suddenly multiplicated problems and confusions for the users

I don't usually like theregister but I found this very insightful about WinPhone8, WinRT, Win8 incompatible userland mess and Steven Sinofsky departure:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/13/sinofsky_caligula/

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Originally Posted by ClemyNX 

I think the UI is very user friendly and enticing.

So is candy from a stranger.