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Following the announcement of a patent licensing agreement between Apple and HTC, an executive for Samsung has signaled that his company has no intention of agreeing to a similar deal.

In a conversation with Korea's Yonhap News Agency, Shin Jong-kyun, the head of Samsung's mobile and IT division indicated that his company doesn't intend to negotiate "at all." He indicated that HTC agreed to pay $276 million to Apple, but said his company would not pay of the iPhone maker to settle their ongoing litigation.

Market watchers have suggested that HTC has agreed to pay between $6 and $8 per phone it sells to Apple in a licensing agreement for the company's patents. Shaw Wu with Sterne Agee also suggested the HTC deal could serve as a blueprint for future settlements with Samsung and Motorola, but the comments from Jong-kyun indicate that Samsung currently has no intention of settling.

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Apple and HTC announced last weekend that they had settled all of their ongoing patent litigation. The two companies reached a 10-year licensing deal that covers both current and future patents held by both companies, though the terms remain undisclosed.

Samsung and Apple are engaged in a number of lawsuits in multiple countries around the world. Thus far, Apple has had the upper hand in most of the patent litigation between the two companies.

Apple's biggest victory against Samsung came in August, when a jury in California ruled that Samsung had violated Apple's patented inventions. The jury recommended that Samsung be required to pay Apple nearly $1.05 billion in damages.
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Well I guess that let's the blind Samsung supporters see that Apple has tried but Samsung
Wants to steal with no penalty.
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Well I guess that let's the blind Samsung supporters see that Apple has tried but Samsung wants to steal with no penalty.

I doubt it. My guess is they'll think "Samsung must be innocent otherwise they would have settled."

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I doubt Apple cares. 

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Korean company Samescum thinking... ah-so, HTC licence Apple patents, so now we copy Taiwanese company HTC... therefore no problem from Apple!
 

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My guess would be Apple may have calculated this type of response from Samsung hence the HTC settlement since HTC is not longer a threat. It just helps Apple out on court side.

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Jong Kyun has sacrificed the 4 billion dollar gravy train that Apple has given them for what sounds like a Samsung chest thumping initiative. That's almost 9% of their total annual revenue. Multiple courts have already ruled in Apple's favor regarding intellectual property piracy and are paying damages. Let's see what the Samsung shareholders think of his action when Apple moves their entire 200 million unit, and growing, chip order to TSMC in 2014. Let's just say that Samsung doesn't need to worry about that plant expansion, and I'd be looking for the CEO's head on a stick.
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Famous last words.
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Samsung thinks with US courts/ITC that are slower than molasses, and EU/UK courts that are Samsung friendly, that it is cheaper to pay 'parking ticket fines' if/when they get caught. Sadly they are mostly right. Samsung has a shady reputation that goes well beyond copying Apple (interesting read at http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/).

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At least HTC tries to be innovative, that new phone they announced yesterday, at 440ppi...almost unbelievable. Best part of watching a few of the reviews...Within the first few seconds "this doesn't feel like that cheap Samsung plastic." Ha. How do they sell so many of those things? Their day of reckoning is coming soon hopefully. 

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Jong Kyun has sacrificed the 4 billion dollar gravy train that Apple has given them for what sounds like a Samsung chest thumping initiative. That's almost 9% of their total annual revenue. Multiple courts have already ruled in Apple's favor regarding intellectual property piracy and are paying damages. Let's see what the Samsung shareholders think of his action when Apple moves their entire 200 million unit, and growing, chip order to TSMC in 2014. Let's just say that Samsung doesn't need to worry about that plant expansion, and I'd be looking for the CEO's head on a stick.

Actually, the only place Apple won in the world is in the US. They are losing everywhere else. And Samsung no longer needs Apple on its supply chain, its selling more phones than Apple with very good margins.   Its in fact in there best interest to cause them trouble on there supply chain.

 

Apple should have move aways from Samsung when it started sueing them.  Pretty stupid from Apple imo.

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Following the announcement of a patent licensing agreement between Apple and HTC, an executive for Samsung has signaled that his company has no intention of agreeing to a similar deal.
In a conversation with Korea's Yonhap News Agency, Shin Jong-kyun, the head of Samsung's mobile and IT division indicated that his company doesn't intend to negotiate "at all." He indicated that Apple agreed to pay $276 million to Apple, but said his company would not pay of the iPhone maker to settle their ongoing litigation.
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calling DR. TALLEST SKIL, calling DR. TALLEST SKIL... (to the editing desk, emergency editting required... LOL)

, " ...Apple agreed to pay $276 million to Apple..."

PROOFREAD!... apple is going to pay itself?
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At least HTC tries to be innovative, that new phone they announced yesterday, at 440ppi...almost unbelievable. Best part of watching a few of the reviews...Within the first few seconds "this doesn't feel like that cheap Samsung plastic." Ha. How do they sell so many of those things? Their day of reckoning is coming soon hopefully. 

This sort of thing benefits Apple because we'll have companies starting to market PPI but it's not needed (for most of the population) once you get to that "retina" rating. Apple's 326 PPI on the iPhone is great and they still use a quality display with a great color gamut, brightness, etc., and the graphics output is superb for playing games. I'm not sure how an Android or Windows Phone 8 device will function with a 1920x1280 display, but it's a safe bet Apple's products will have a better usability.

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I doubt it. My guess is they'll think "Samsung must be innocent otherwise they would have settled."

Not that I think they're innocent but the truth is they've won more than they've lost, so why would they settle?
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My guess would be Apple may have calculated this type of response from Samsung hence the HTC settlement since HTC is not longer a threat. It just helps Apple out on court side.

Does Apple sue/settle with other companies based on whether they're a threat or not? 

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Not that I think they're innocent but the truth is they've won more than they've lost, so why would they settle?

With this I agree. If I were in Samsung's position (having only the info that I have now) settling would seem like the wrong move.

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If people are being honest with themselves, there is no question that Samsung copied Apple with regards to phones and tablets. Also being honest, Samsung is a high quality parts/chip supplier that Apple is having trouble finding a replacement for and may be partially responsible for some if the issues with ramping up production for some of Apple's present line of products.

 

Trying to look at this objectively, it would seem that a settlement could be in the best interest of both companies. Litigation goes away. Samsung gets to build its phones and Apple gets maybe the best quality(or maybe I should say most reliable) parts/chips supplier that is out there right now.

 

I don't know if this statement by Samsung is something to save face in light of the US court loss and billion dollar judgement and is another bargaining chip in trying to get a better deal from Apple(like their price hike on chips appears to be) or this is their actual policy. I guess time will tell. I was surprised that Apple and HTC came to an agreement. Maybe I will be surprised as well and see an Apple/Samsung settlement.

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If people are being honest with themselves, there is no question that Samsung copied Apple with regards to phones and tablets. Also being honest, Samsung is a high quality parts/chip supplier that Apple is having trouble finding a replacement for and may be partially responsible for some if the issues with ramping up production for some of Apple's present line of products.

Trying to look at this objectively, it would seem that a settlement could be in the best interest of both companies. Litigation goes away. Samsung gets to build its phones and Apple gets maybe the best quality(or maybe I should say most reliable) parts/chips supplier that is out there right now.

I don't know if this statement by Samsung is something to save face in light of the US court loss and billion dollar judgement and is another bargaining chip in trying to get a better deal from Apple(like their price hike on chips appears to be) or this is their actual policy. I guess time will tell. I was surprised that Apple and HTC came to an agreement. Maybe I will be surprised as well and see an Apple/Samsung settlement.

I see your point but I lean heavily towards dasanman69's comment. Since these divisions at Samsung are very separate entities which hasn't been a problem through any of the current lawsuits and Samsung's current position in these suits if I were Samsung I'd just say "do your worst, Apple." Now, I think Samsung's position is unsustainable and they will end up being hurt in the end from stealing from Apple but that damage is done and Apple will continue to be more self reliant (or at less reliant on a single component vendor) regardless of what Samsung does now.

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I see your point but I lean heavily towards dasanman69's comment. Since these divisions at Samsung are very separate entities which hasn't been a problem through any of the current lawsuits and Samsung's current position in these suits if I were Samsung I'd just say "do your worst, Apple." Now, I think Samsung's position is unsustainable and they will end up being hurt in the end from stealing from Apple but that damage is done and Apple will continue to be more self reliant (or at less reliant on a single component vendor) regardless of what Samsung does now.

 

Samsung is not afraid of anything because this is essentially a company backed by the S Korea government. Samsung will never go under. Well, unless the US is willing to go far and stop trading with them anyway. 

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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post
Samsung is not afraid of anything because this is essentially a company backed by the S Korea government. Samsung will never go under. 

 

The North invades, US remains isolationist, the South falls. 

 

Or a US block of all sales of all Samsung products as a result of some Apple trial. Heck, the judge in the case that Apple won should be able to add whatever she wants to the ruling at any time for any reason, if the UK is any indication of how "law" works. 

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Disney also said at one point they would stop collaborating with Pixar, and began making CG animated features on their own.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
Disney also said at one point they would stop collaborating with Pixar, and began making CG animated features on their own.

 

To be fair, that never happened. Disney caved to Pixar in that regard.


They DID then switch to CG, but that's unrelated to the original point to which you're referring.

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Samsung's positioning is nothing more than the typical, stereotypical even, saving face response.  I would venture to guess that they'd make comments like this even while negotiating with Apple, as they seek to look like the stronger of the battling partners.  It's not much different than what you see with the government of N. Korea making thinly veiled threats while seeking funding for humanitarian aide.

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herb what are you smoking... Apple is still the #1 smartphone in sales.. it would be higher but has supply issues from Samsung.. wow that's a shocker...

Once Samsung is out of the picture then the supply issues will probably go away in addition you think its odd Samsung cancelled the building of there new facility soon as Apple announced they are dumping Samsung..

Samsung has been stealing technology from Apple for years and for free. Soon as this seperate happens then samsung will go down hard unless they give there phones aware for free or $100... I mean the S3 is already 99-149 some places so..
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Samsung's entire business is built on copying. They're known as a 'fast copier' in the electronics industry. They've never invented anything. Calling them technology thieves would be putting it mildly.

Of course they don't want to settle with Apple. That would be admitting to what they do for a living. They're simply in denial of the facts and they've hired high-priced flim-flam lawyers in hopes of confusing judges and juries worldwide.
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Just bought new home appliances.  There is not a Samsung item in the mix.

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What did I tell you, Koreans dont give in.
 

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What did I tell you, Koreans dont give in.

 

They copied that from the Japanese, and more recently Americans.

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The North invades, US remains isolationist, the South falls. 

 

Or a US block of all sales of all Samsung products as a result of some Apple trial. Heck, the judge in the case that Apple won should be able to add whatever she wants to the ruling at any time for any reason, if the UK is any indication of how "law" works. 

 

The South has enough firepower to defend itself without the assistance of the US. The US has bases on that country only for its own self interest. I was stationed in  Korea years back.

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They copied that from the Japanese, and more recently Americans.

 

You certainly dont have a clue how Koreans work do you? Having bee associated with them for 3 years, I have personal experiences on how Koreans (in general) function; work ethics, mannerism, culture etc.

 

You, on the other hand, probably have no association or even know anyone who is Korean around you. Just a wild guess.

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To be fair, that never happened. Disney caved to Pixar in that regard.


They DID then switch to CG, but that's unrelated to the original point to which you're referring.

 

Disney was into CG well before Pixar took over.  And it sucked.   Bolt turned into a great little movie because in the 9 months after Disney bought Pixar they essentially did a complete rewrite. Bolt had been in production for 3 years prior to that. 

 

Meet the Robinsons was probably their best CG movie prior to that, everything else was very forgettable.

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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post
You certainly dont have a clue how Koreans work do you?

 

Same way the Japanese and Americans work, just in Korean.

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herb what are you smoking... Apple is still the #1 smartphone in sales.. ..

Are you sure? I'm not.

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Samsung is not afraid of anything because this is essentially a company backed by the S Korea government. Samsung will never go under. Well, unless the US is willing to go far and stop trading with them anyway. 

 

Well, the South Korean gov't let Daewoo, a much larger conglomerate back in late 1990's, go under.  Samsung is also 50+% owned by foreigners. 

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I can't believe that AI is using again this deceptive and misleading illustration which is conveniently "ignoring" phones like the Samsung SGH-F700 or LG prada, both of which were released well prior to the iPhone... Propaganda much?
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I used to like Samsung and was somewhat of an advocate for their LCD/LED and appliance products. Their conduct in this fight with Apple, and their blatant disregard for the intellectual property of Apple and other companies has totally turned me off to anything they make. I won't be a part of helping to fund their continued theft. R&D for them stands for Rip Off and Duplicate. If thousands feel similar, and feel the sour taste in their gut anytime they consider a Samsung product, that will be poetic justice for uncle Sammy IMHO..
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Originally Posted by Nathillien View Post
I used to don't mind/care about Apple - now I openly hate it.

I used to don't mind/care about Samsung - now I openly support it.

 

Enjoy your fantasies, I guess. Regular people know not to mix them with reality, though.

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The North invades, US remains isolationist, the South falls. 

 

Or a US block of all sales of all Samsung products as a result of some Apple trial. Heck, the judge in the case that Apple won should be able to add whatever she wants to the ruling at any time for any reason, if the UK is any indication of how "law" works. 

 

wishful thinking.

 

Well, nobody doubts the South is going to win - the North is pretty much all by itself now.  Even their biggest allies Russia and PRC  have been warming up to South Korea in recent years (there was even a rumor that Putin's daughter was to marry a son of SK's admiral a few years back).  It's just that the casualty would be catastrophic regardless of the South's victory.  Furthermore, the North might drop a couple of nuclear bombs in the US coastal regions just for fun.  (they are still pretty bitter about the US's bombing campaign that killed millions during the Korean war)

 

Judge Koh and Grewal may not be the most fair, competent judges around, but they probably don't want to end their careers with outlandish decisions. 


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I see your point but I lean heavily towards dasanman69's comment. Since these divisions at Samsung are very separate entities which hasn't been a problem through any of the current lawsuits and Samsung's current position in these suits if I were Samsung I'd just say "do your worst, Apple." Now, I think Samsung's position is unsustainable and they will end up being hurt in the end from stealing from Apple but that damage is done and Apple will continue to be more self reliant (or at less reliant on a single component vendor) regardless of what Samsung does now.

I think the California trial was a real kick in the pants to Samsung and its reputation and they may be trying to save face and a couple of bucks in their negotiations. But you may be right. Some of the articles about Samsung being a real mean corporate player may mean that they have to be really taken down a peg or two to really negotiate. I thought the California verdict may have done that. But maybe not.

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I used to like Samsung and was somewhat of an advocate for their LCD/LED and appliance products. Their conduct in this fight with Apple, and their blatant disregard for the intellectual property of Apple and other companies has totally turned me off to anything they make. I won't be a part of helping to fund their continued theft. R&D for them stands for Rip Off and Duplicate. If thousands feel similar, and feel the sour taste in their gut anytime they consider a Samsung product, that will be poetic justice for uncle Sammy IMHO..

 

Samsung copies a lot on the product side, but they are one of the best regarding panel's R&D and panels production. Apple has incell for now but Samsung could very well come up with panels innovation and cut off Apple from it. There latest research is on flexible panels.

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