Samsung executive says company has no plans to settle with Apple - Page 2

 

When they can't even get a rocket more than a mile in the air, I'm pretty sure this won't be happening.

They've sued a lot of smaller companies. There was some non-profit company in NY that was sued for trademark reasons. There was NT-K.

The earliest I can think of would be Beauty and the Beast. I remember they used a small amount of CG animation used for a couple scenes in it. Pixar took a really interesting approach with their software. I always thought it was really cool.

Or pull our troops out.

I actually feel quite the opposite to you. I refuse to buy anything samsung because of their issues with Apple. There are plenty of adequate choices with products similar to those that Samsung make that you don't cut off your nose to spite your face. 

 

There have been many people who buy products just because they are not Apple products. You are part of a sizable club. As long as what you buy fits your needs, that is what is most important. Occasionally, I would see someone buying a non Apple product that is not in their best interest. That is just being silly.

LG is getting in on some anti-Samsung action too:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443507204578021572847519276.html

"The lawsuit alleges infringement of seven patents on the design of OLED panels, driver circuitry and device design, LG Display said Thursday. The company said it would seek damages and a permanent injunction against the sale in South Korea of infringing devices, including Samsung's latest smartphone, the Galaxy S III, as well as the Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet computer and Galaxy Note hybrid phone-tablet."

Samsung does make quality components but they, along with a whole raft of tech companies, need to respect the importance of good design. Samsung is proud of its technological achievements but dismisses design as 'silly rectangles'. The difference in usability between what Samsung had before and what they have now due to the entire supporting framework of the minimalist design including gestures and UI came largely from Apple.

If you had to take Samsung's place though and you suddenly saw a dominating power emerging in a market you've sat in for 30 years, what would you do? You'd have to copy a lot of what they did to be competitive. Acknowledging that they were the market leader and inspiration by licensing is saying that they've done in 3 years what Samsung couldn't do in 30 years.

I don't think they'll come off worse for fighting it - Android users believe they are on the side of openness and freedom and they are standing behind Samsung in sales. Behind closed doors, the Samsung employees know the truth, Android users know the truth but they will fight to the death to avoid saying it publicly. I don't know why there is such a strong belief that Apple is an arrogant company and why there is such a refusal to acknowledge that they earned their success. When they shipped hardly any computers, consumers hated them for their price tags and yet would respect BMW or Volkswagen for the same thing. For years, there's been a sentiment like that. Perhaps it's because Apple has always stood separate from their competition and done things their own way but that's not something to be hated for.

There's no denying Samsung's tactics have paid off big-time. They own about 50% of the entire Android market now so they have no reason to back down. Whether they will be better off fighting than settling remains to be seen but I actually think riding on this anti-Apple sentiment will unfortunately serve them better. And quicker, easier, more seductive it is.

 

I believe this is a counter-suit.  LG is under a lot of pressure lately, having fallen behind Samsung in many crucial areas like display, nand, dram manufacturing and mobile biz.  Just early this year, LG was also accused of stealing AMOLED manufacturing technologies from Samsung (ie, corporate espionage). 

There is more than one way to transport nuclear bombs.  In any case, this simply won't happen. 

They did settle with the Swiss railway over a clock design.

Is there a score card somewhere on the various Samsung v. Apple lawsuits? I can't keep track of it anymore.


And you're here... why? I don't see any reason to believe that you're here for anything other than to defend Samsung and maybe causing trouble is a bonus. In short, I don't think your statement is fully true, I think you've been pro-Samsung all along, and anti-Apple once their interests diverged. And you're visiting a pro-Apple site with likely questionable motivations.

 

Sure, the California trial was a wake-up call.  I just couldn't believe that Samsung was still open to cross-licensing until the very last moment and hoping to come amicable terms with Apple, one of their largest clients.

 

 

Nope, unlike Apple, Samsung is not generally known as a vexatious litigant in the industry.  Whereas Samsung's survival very much depends on their manufacturing and technology (they couldn't care less about branding, so long as they get paid), Apple is all about their public image (or "saving face" to borrow your language).  Apple needs to protect its perception of "innovator" to sell their gears and will continue on with their frivolous lawsuits to maintain that perception despite mounting legal losses all over the world. 

 

(now, time to duck.  see you all tomorrow )

This issue will be a test for Tim Cook.  Every phone Samsung sells that looks like an iPhone, and due to Android acts sort of like an iPhone, is one less phone Apple sells.  Apple as a corporation, has the same goal as any other corporation.  They are responsible to their shareholders.  While some may say that Apple's stock price was inflated, and had to come down to a reasonable level, others are looking at Apple's stock prices dropping to where they were in June and seeing that Apple can't protect their own products and likely won't be able to protect future products as well if they keep on this path.  Their sales are being taken by the very company they depend on for parts.

 

So while I am furious with Samsung, and have never purchased any of their branded products, I am also disappointed in Apple for not seeing this disaster and avoiding it.  Now Tim has to prove himself to investors.  Some say he's a supply chain guru.  If that's truly the case, this has to have been a punch in the gut for him and a wake up call that he's not adequately protecting Apple and it's products.  This isn't just about the thievery that has occurred in the past since the iPhone came out, it's also about being able to protect your products (and future products) in court.  Obviously Apple needs to work harder at protecting themselves if most of the world is deciding against them in court.  Perhaps significant design and UI changes that Jony Ive brings into the fold will be held in secret until patents can be filed on everything.  Apple once again needs to differentiate from the competition significantly, and do a far better job at protecting themselves.  

 

It's up to Tim Cook to resolve this.  This is on his shoulders now.  How he handles it will define Apple.

Because they want your cake and eat it.

 

If the US was not there, the South would have been overrun long ago; it has no where near enough firepower to defend itself.

Uhh, Apple is not the #1 seller of smartphones, nor is the iphone the number 1 selling phone. Never has been, except in the US and on occasion the UK.

Someday Americans may realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.

And yes, the S3 is on sale for $99 to $149 in some places.! This was expected when the Note II was released and the S3 is a 6 month old phone. What's your excuse for the 4S pricing? Oh yeah, a new iphone got released. Duh.

Well, obviously since you are from South Korea.  Samsung is loser company.  They've been nailed more than once for price fixing, and now copying.

 

I notice that Samsung likes to copy other appliance mfg.  Well, I for one, won't buy a Samsung branded product.

 

I like buying computer related products from a company that's a long time computer maker rather than buying computing products from a company that known for making TVs, dishwashers, washer/dryiers, and vacuum cleaners.

 

I guess i like a company that actually designs and develops their technology, especially the OS.  Samsung to me is just another clone maker with just frivolous features that aren't always must have features.

 

Oh, BTW, it's too bad South Korean companies don't have respect for US based companies, especially since South Korea wouldn't still be South Korea without the US helping them in the ongoing war with North Korea and how the US helped rebuild South Korea after the Korean war.  Yeah, REAL classy.

 

As far as I'm concerned, maybe the US military should step away from helping South Korea and let them get taken over the the North Koreans.  See how that would feel.

Incorrect. On so many levels. The North can't feed their own soldiers without assistance from other countries. They only threaten the South with the threat of missile, not troops. Not to mention the largest mine field in the world seperating the North from the South.

Not really anymore going forward.  Sharp has this new IGZO technology which is supposed to be much better.  Samsung just had a slight edge, but to many people they actually still prefer some of the panels coming out of Sony, LG, and Panasonic (plasma), than Samsung.  Samsung's OLED screens haven't done anything special.  OLED was kind of more hype than anything.

 

I don't go by what a lot of magazine reviews say because a lot of them review products and give favorable reviews to their biggest advertisers.  A practice that makes these various technology magazines a little untrustworthy. I talk to industry people that have no bias towards a particular brand when buying certain products, ESPECIALLY TV's and consumer grade home theater products.  SInce it's the easiest to manipulate Joe consumer.

 

You have to understand component mfg.  It takes the right chip mfg equipment, etc. to make these chips.  did Apple envision their products selling as well as they are 4 or 5 years ago?  NO.  It literally takes at least 2 years to build these plants and get them operational.  It also takes several BILLION dollars.  Apple 3 or 4 years ago didn't have the sales to warrant forseeing this. Now they have enough demand to create their own plants.  Apple, in hindsight, should have saw this coming, but Apple was trying to be the nice guy in dealing with Samsung, but it's hard to shift gears when it comes to fabricating custom chips. Some just don't have the mfg plants capable of making their chips due to the equipment used.  At the time they started their relationship, Samsung was probably the only player in town to do it.

So, don't  get too upset with Apple.  Now Apple has a LOT more cash to play with and I think they should start their own fab plants in the US and EVENTUALLY have total control over the chip design and mfg.

 

We only get a superficial perspective on this stuff.

Are OLEDs even available to consumers yet? Panasonic has been making great strides with plasma lately, they previewed 8K sets recently.

Samsung's probably the only company actually making a profit from it, but they really aren't making as much for all of the smartphones they make.  I think they only retained about $7 or $8 billion a quarter from smartphone sales and for as many as they make, that's not that much. I think Apple still has some technology still yet to come, especially the authentic ID stuff.  That will solidify a bunch of corporate/government/military business as far as I can tell.

 

All in all, Apple has to just stay focused and continue to bring out products that are well built, designed and supported.  The media is really over hyping last quarter Android sales over iOS sales due to the pending announcements.  That's all.  The Apple Stores, as far as i can tell are jammed packed wall to wall people almost every day from the minute they open to the second they close.

 

Can't wait for the iMacs to start shipping.

That's a good question. There were several large-scale OLED sets displayed at a show this summer, I think, but I don't know if they ever shipped. For a long time, it looked as if the technology couldn't scale up in panel size at a realistic price.

They were shown at the CES in January and were slated to be on sale around this time yet I haven't heard anymore about it. I really wish CE companies would follow Apple's lead when it comes to announcing products.

So samscum is happy to "pay" judges and politicians for their favour, but won't even negotiate on licensing legal patents? So now we know what you are, we're just haggling on a price. Scum corporation with mafia style tactics, bribing their way past laws and threatening business partners who supply their rivals. Stealing licensed IP is just water off a ducks back. Here's a good read.
http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/

So samscum are happy to lose $4 billion of Apple money? Yeah, smart business practice considering they would be buying their own chips to build their phones. What a stupid comment. You really need to learn about this evil power and then consider if you believe in their business practices.

http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/

Jobs embraced the concept that simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, and Apple products do too.

Apple makes decisions on behalf of consumers to only allow things to be done a certain way based on this concept (e.g. we're removing floppy drives, we 're removing FLASH, we're removing optical drives, we're not giving you any widgets to customise) and many people (I'd go as far as to say 50-60% of the population) have a problem with getting told what to do.

Put it down to bad parenting issues.

;-)
Edited by GTR - 11/14/12 at 2:01pm

There's an interesting article here about Sony's potential (long-term) demise and Samsung's role in it:

http://kotaku.com/5960411/how-sony-is-turning-into-a-ghost-in-japan-and-around-the-world

"I came to Japan to talk to Mr. Idei about our growing concerns with Sony's direction. We had dinner together. I wanted to talk about profit margins; he wanted to talk about the wine we were having. He struck me as a clueless."

When the investor pointed out that Sony's operating profits on electronic products were roughly 2-4 percent and that Samsung was making similar products at a 30 percent profit margin, Idei hushed him by reportedly saying, "They make the parts for our products. We put them together. It's the difference between a steel maker and an automobile maker. We make the automobiles."

The investor apparently countered, "Well, I've got news for you-the people you laid off from the car plant are now working at the steel mill, and soon the steel mills will be building cars with your technology."

It's a dangerous setup to directly compete with your supplier but Samsung is obviously a high quality supplier. Their strategy seems to be to undermine rival giants like Sony and Apple by learning what goes into their products, use that in their own products and compete with them. They need them to stay around though because otherwise, they have no direction to take their products.

It appears Apple is the brand that is replacing Sony in mindshare. Their string of successes have ensured that most of Sony's achievements have been made irrelevant and lower priced manufacturers like Samsung and LG are absorbing the rest.

I would love to see Apple and parts of Sony together. Imagine Playstation being an iOS component taking on the XBox Surface publishing AAA games. Sony Pictures putting exclusive first-run streaming movies to Apple TV. Having a digital premiere pay-per-view streaming service would finally wrest control over films away from the Cinema chains. 400 million customers, $5 per premiere could easily create the first opening night $1b movie premiere.

I think the more that hardware is becoming irrelevant (like in the TV industry), content distribution needs to be invested in to hold back the likes of Samsung. No point in buying a Galaxy Tab or any Android devices if you can't get certain AAA game franchises.

And yet you think they'd have learned everybody ends up going that way eventually. Even a former Sony exec in the above link says about Blu-Ray:

"Sony has a great love for proprietary technology that isn't shared in common with other electronic makers. Because it seeks to impose it's standard as the industry standard, it often forces itself out of the market. They succeeded with Blu-Ray but digital downloading makes that a hollow victory. Who wants to buy a Blu-Ray when you can download a digital HD copy of your favorite movie from i-Tunes as soon as you want to see it?"

Look at the direction everyone has gone with keyboard-less phones, restricted App Stores, tablets and so on and yet the complaints still come.

"Samsung no longer needs Apple on its supply chain".  Yeah, $4 billion in annual revenue or 9% of their annual sales can easily be replaced. That statement alone sums up your entire business acumen. Lots of Samsung employees will be looking work. Maybe you are one of them?

 

If it hadn't been for the US, the country would have been unified back in the 50's. 

 

and now the one of the largest electronic companies in the world. 

 

No, Samsung is many years ahead when it comes to manufacturing anything. 

 

Samsung has been making IT components for almost three decades nows.

 

Well, let's see Mac OS X is largely based on BSD + Mach Kernel.  So you like Microsoft?

 

The Korean peninsula would have been unified under Kim Il Song if it hadn't been for the US.  Furthermore, the US didn't rebuilt the country - and most US historians / development economists would be quite hesitant in taking credit for the country's economic *miracle*.  The South's industrial strength and economy was largely behind the North until 1980s.  It wasn't until the South sent 300+K of their soldiers to help the US in Vietnam that changed the country's economic economic development projection. 

 

And Samsung would have never existed!

 

Huh. First time I've ever wished for a POD where communists won…

 

Without Samsung, there might have not been Apple's first iPhone. 

This ridiculous comment was enough for me to unsubscribe from this thread.

TS, when will stupidity become a bannable offence on this forum?

Do tell. What component did Samsung make that wasn't available elsewhere?

 

Very soon.

 

As Steve would say, "Stay tuned."

I don't think he meant on the component level but the strides Samsung made in the cellular realm.

 

Apple would never have existed if Steve's father (biological) pulled out. :D