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Rumor: Release of new iMacs may be delayed into 2013

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After Apple CEO Tim Cook revealed last month that there would be a "significant shortage" of the newly redesigned iMac, a report on Wednesday claims manufacturing difficulties may push back the all-in-one's launch date into next year.

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Citing a "commercial source," French language blog MacBidouille claims that production of Apple's new iMac models may not be ready (machine translation) for sales ahead of the lucrative holiday shopping season, speculating that the company's advanced welding process is to blame for the delay.

During Apple's quarterly earnings conference call, which was held shortly after the new iMac's debut, Cook said that there would be a "significant shortage" of the all-in-one, but declined to offer details on the matter.

The totally redesigned iMac was unveiled in October and features an advanced assembly technique called friction-stir welding, which uses high heat and pressure to "intermix the molecules of the two aluminum surfaces" to create a seamless joint. In order to achieve maximum thinness, the iMac's optical drive was removed, a design decision that has slimmed down other Apple products like the MacBook Air and the latest MacBook Pros with Retina display.

Adding to the already high difficulty of manufacture is the iMac's screen lamination process, which eliminates the 2mm air gap between the display and front glass seen in legacy models. In August, KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo reported that the process is more involved with the 27-inch model and would cause supply constraints for the initial batch of machines.

Currently, availability of the desktop remains unchanged on the Online Apple Store, which shows November and December launch windows for the 21.5-inch and 27-inch iMacs, respectively.
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I just spoke to an Apple store rep 20 minutes ago, and she claimed they've been told to expect the 21.5" any day now. Lets hope she was right...
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WHAT?!

 

Even I still have enough faith in New Apple that they wouldn't botch a frigging hardware launch like this. 

 

And if so, what then? Is Mansfield out?! 1rolleyes.gif

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Noooooooo

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I just spoke to an Apple store rep 20 minutes ago, and she claimed they've been told to expect the 21.5" any day now. Lets hope she was right...

I'm sure she was being honest in that she is expecting them any day now, but historically those that read tech forums will know well before Apple Store employees about most things Apple.

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post #5 of 87

How often does Apple slip on company reported release dates? iTunes just slipped a month, but that's not a hardware product and they just canned Forstall.  They've already said supply will be constrained but surely they wouldn't report a HW release if it wasn't a sure thing.
 

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Rumors... Rumors .... Big boys manipulating the stock.
Yesyerday was samsung raising prices! Which was denied today.
This today.
And god know what tomorrow.

These reports have to be tripple checked before printed or it will remain the circus it is out there!
And those reporting will loose creadibility .
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I think this is a rumor gone rogue.
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The web site still says available november for the 21" model and december for the 30" model.  Of course it doesn't actually let you order either of them.  We need two of the 21" iMacs, so hopefully this is just an unfounded rumor.   I have a hard time believing they can't build any to ship in november, but the month is already half over.

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We'll see, but I smell bullshit on this one.

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post #10 of 87
Good lord, they really are scraping the barrel for reasons to pummel AAPL now.
post #11 of 87
The new machines look nice, but they are sort of a 1.0 revision of this form factor. Also, for my use, the lack of an optical drive and Firewire are a big minus.

The day they were announced I instead bought a refurb 2011 27" iMac with 256GB SSD (saving $600 from the previous price) and it's a pretty good deal. The only updated feature I'm missing is USB-3, but I can work around that.

(I almost always buy refurbed for a number of reasons; 1) the price is reasonable, 2) everything so far has been cosmetically perfect, 3) they're necessarily older machines which means the HW/SW bugs have been addressed, or proven to be problematic and thus avoided. The only trick is to understand the tech specs with an eye for what might or might not become obsolete in the future.)
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And??? Isn't this the norm for Apple?? New product release - wait weeks to receive. You'd think they'd have some order by now, but noooo same ole. IMO you're better to wait till they release a Retina version anyway. Why buy now if they'll have Retina prob in late 2013/early 2014 (my factless guess) then I'd have buyers remorse.
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When I looked the Apple store this morning "November" had been changed to "Coming Soon."

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Look again! Nov for 21. Dec for 27
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In the details it remains as November, but the front page for iMac has been changed to "Coming Soon."

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When I looked the Apple store this morning "November" had been changed to "Coming Soon."

I just checked it and it says "november" for the 21" and "december" for the 27".
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the main page could not have said november before.  Since it is the page for both 21 and 27 inch imacs . One comes in nov amd one in dec...  I dont  believe this page has changed.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 
And if so, what then? Is Mansfield out?! 1rolleyes.gif

Nah, everyone will still blame Forstall and claim Mansfield was still upset by the years of emotional torture.

I don't think they'll delay the release. They sell about 5 million Macs per quarter of which the iMac is about 25% so for the 1st batch, they should only need a month's supply = 5 x 0.25 / 3 = ~400,000.

If they have problems at that volume, they seriously need to rethink this whole welding thing. I personally don't get why they don't do what they did on the old iMacs and have the back detach from the screen. It doesn't look any worse than the bottom of the MBP and the only screws were in the base. You get incredibly easy access to the internals. You just unscrew the bottom and lift the back right off. No welding needed.
post #19 of 87
Scroll down and look below the big mac picture! On the main page... 21 nov, 27 dec!
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I'm pretty sure that it was mentioned during Keynote that 21.5" iMac would be launched in November and 27" to be released in December.

I work at a well-known computer retail store in the UK and this is what we have been told by Apple (and confirmed by our Apple rep who has had her sales target increased).

Guess we'll have to wait and see...

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Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post
And??? Isn't this the norm for Apple?? New product release - wait weeks to receive.

 

No, it's not the norm for Apple to not be selling a computer called iMac for a period now totaling a minimum of two weeks and a maximum of two months. Even in the past they always had orders available immediately. NOTHING now.


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Nah, everyone will still blame Forstall and claim Mansfield was still upset by the years of emotional torture.

 

I'm gonna get a jump on that.

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Nah, everyone will still blame Forstall and claim Mansfield was still upset by the years of emotional torture.
I don't think they'll delay the release. They sell about 5 million Macs per quarter of which the iMac is about 25% so for the 1st batch, they should only need a month's supply = 5 x 0.25 / 3 = ~400,000.
If they have problems at that volume, they seriously need to rethink this whole welding thing. I personally don't get why they don't do what they did on the old iMacs and have the back detach from the screen. It doesn't look any worse than the bottom of the MBP and the only screws were in the base. You get incredibly easy access to the internals. You just unscrew the bottom and lift the back right off. No welding needed.

 

THIS. 

 

The sad part is that this rumor could quite easily prove to be true. I'm guessing it's more or less unsubstantiated, but the three weeks of not a single iMac available for online purchase is strange. Something is happening behind the scenes, and someone is sitting in their corporate office sweating bullets, because this clearly did not go according to plan. 

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Remember the white iphone that took something like an extra year to launch. AAPL isn't perfect, but that was a colossal delay.
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Apple did not have to announce the new macs... And they could have continued selling the old one.
Once they announced... the old one was dead... And i seriously doubt that apple saw a chance that the new macs wont be ready for this year and yet went ahead and made an announcement and killed to potential of selling the older macs for. Full quarter.

Just does not add up.....
post #25 of 87
I would have expected it now, at least a confirmed release date, Apple might loose sales if both aren't out by the first week of December.
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The product delays are starting to become worrying. Tim Cook had built his reputation on supply chain management. Perhaps it's a case of Jony Ive going a little wild with design and making things that much more difficult to manufacturer. For sure, these things happened under Steve Jobs.That was actually the norm. Remember the iPad 2 launch and how long it took for supply to catch up with demand? However, since the iPhone 4S and 3rd gen iPad launches went very smoothly, expectations of improved supplies rose.

 

The iPhone 5 and new iMac are completely new designs, unlike the 4S and a lesser extent the 3rd gen iPad. Note that supplies of the 4th gen iPad are pretty healthy, probably because it is also a relatively minor design change.

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The new machines look nice, but they are sort of a 1.0 revision of this form factor....


This "rev 1.0" gets really old.  Technically, just about every product release that Apple makes is branded a "Rev1.0" by people.

New form factor?  Rev 1.0.
New CPU?  Rev 1.0
New GPU? Rev 1.0
Retina Display? Rev 1.0
Glass housing - Cracks / Aluminum Housing - Scratches?  Rev 1.0

But wait... Hold on!!  Apple makes (supposedly) minimal changes to a product and then people cry that it's a "minimal release" or "using old tech"?  

So which one is it?

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What section of the case is actually welded with the friction stir method?  All of the videos I saw demonstrating this process left a very ugly "scar" when the rotating tool was removed from the piece.  If the part being welded is visible to the customer then there is going to be a fair amount of manual grinding and surface treatment needed to result in a pleasing finish.

 

I mean, we know they aren't welding the case shut!   So what is it used for?

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I have a friend that works for an Apple Reseller that has a very close relationship with Apple.  They were told to expect the 21" iMac the last week of November and the 27" iMac the first week of December.  You have to realize they want to hit the critical holiday buying season and too far into December people will have already chosen other options.

post #30 of 87
A delay may hurt the holiday numbers by a minimal amount.. But doubt anyone looking to by a new imac is going to buy some other brand.
post #31 of 87
Another unfounded rumour.

Quel supris.

How easy is it to start one of these?

TIM COOK IS A MARTIAN (says unnamed source)
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We'll see, but I smell bullshit on this one.

 

Likewise. All of these unsubstantiated rumors are piling up to crash Apple's stock. Good buyback opportunity for Apple, good for shorts, bad for AAPL for the short term.

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post #33 of 87

Well, I don't know what to make of this... You can't buy either model new online today, my local Apple Store has no stock of the current 27" model... Apple has done this before, announcing a new iMac with a future shipping date and not having sufficient stock of the existing model. I don't think they were as clear with the fact that they wouldn't have iMacs to sell as they were the previous fumbled transition...

 

This practice doesn't sit well with businesses. We need to buy a handful of machines before the end of the year and pay for them before December 31st. I'm buying refurbished current model iMacs right now, but there is no guarantee that stock of those won't disappear quickly... I'm hoping they'll ship on time, but not too trusting of it (it's mid-November and there is no REAL indication that the 21" is getting ready to ship).

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The rumor is certainly possible. Apple takes big risks with new manufacturing processes that would scare any other electronics company to death. Usually they win the gamble and profit big: they’re good at this! But you can’t win them all. I can easily believe that once in a while an exotic manufacturing/design choice will result in expensive and frustrating delays on a large scale. If so, Apple will survive it... but I’d hate to be someone who needs a desktop NOW! MacBook + Dell display is sounding tempting...

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I just spoke to an Apple store rep 20 minutes ago, and she claimed they've been told to expect the 21.5" any day now. Lets hope she was right...

 

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Noooooooo
I'm sure she was being honest in that she is expecting them any day now, but historically those that read tech forums will know well before Apple Store employees about most things Apple.

 

She would lose her friggin' job if she said anything other then what Apple has published. She could know more, but if it ain't Apple's party line she can't pass it on.

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What section of the case is actually welded with the friction stir method?  All of the videos I saw demonstrating this process left a very ugly "scar" when the rotating tool was removed from the piece.  If the part being welded is visible to the customer then there is going to be a fair amount of manual grinding and surface treatment needed to result in a pleasing finish.

 

I mean, we know they aren't welding the case shut!   So what is it used for?

Not sure what video you are referring to but they are welding the front of the case to the rear of the case leaving a 5mm knife-edge solid-looking edge around the perimeter of the iMac case. The smaller iMac will be welded shut, not so with the 27" iMac.

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Originally Posted by Curtis Hannah View Post
I would have expected it now, at least a confirmed release date, Apple might loose sales if both aren't out by the first week of December.

 

They're losing sales now, since they're not selling one.

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Another unfounded rumour.
Quel supris.
How easy is it to start one of these?
TIM COOK IS A MARTIAN (says unnamed source)


That's not a rumor. Tim actually is a Martian.

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Remember the white iphone that took something like an extra year to launch. AAPL isn't perfect, but that was a colossal delay.


I would rather Apple delay a product and try to get it as close to perfect as reasonably possible.  The problem with the light bleeding through the white paint around the camera would have sent the iHaters, trolls, and whiners into a frenzy.  I'm glad Apple delayed it.  Name one competitor that would do that?

Thanks to Apple, they did all the research on it so the Samsungs of the world can use the same paint process too.

post #40 of 87
FRom Apple Wevb site &:34 PM EST: "21.5-inch starting at $1299. Coming in November.27-inch starting at $1799. Coming in December".

The Web staff doesn't seem to have this info. Seems like FUD until its offical
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