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Who wants to take bets on when and how big their layoffs will be.

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MSFT is full of it.... Asus makes a Zenbook that is beautiful. MSFT has no one but itself to blame for the low upgrade rate of Windows users.

Sorry.. the Air is beautiful, the zenbook is nothing more than a "me too" copy wannabe.

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 MS knows how to generate cachet and "cool" like I know how to speak Aramaic. 

 

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I went right out and bought a couple copies of Win 7 OEM just to have around for any new office PCs we might need in the future. I certainly don't want to be stuck having to deal with Win 8 from the looks of it.

 

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Who wants to take bets on when and how big their layoffs will be.

Here's the list:

1. Sinofsky, Steven J.

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Microsoft is merely trying to follow along in Apple's footsteps. 

 

Like a drunken sloth...!

 

 


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How many windows users still use some old, outdated version of Explorer to browse with still? These are not exactly cutting edge people that we're talking about here. There's also the issue that Windows 8 is pretty ugly looking, with those puke worthy color schemes. I also thought that the commercial for the Surface was pretty dumb.

 

Well, only Monkey Boy would sign off on a commercial full of people dancing like... umm... apes.

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Well, MS has about 1 Billion licenses of the variants of Windows (XP, Vista, 7, and now 8). Obviously, Apple can't have 1 Billion computers made within 12 months, but Apple could easiy see 10% of the current Windows users migrating to OS X. OS X is practically bug free, and it only take a couple of minor bug fixes to address those problems. if Apple sees 10% of Windows users switch to OS X laptops/desktops, that could more than double the current number of OS X users. It doesn't implausible for that to happen over the next 12 months. Apple just refreshed the line up, so we'll see what happens. there was a recent survey done by a market research firm and 10% thought that OS X was better, 58% don't plan on migrating to windows 8. That's a lot of potential windows users planning on leaving the platform and there aren't other options other than OS X.

Survey Says: 7% (not 10%) will migrate to OSX or iOS

 

But your premise otherwise works... that's a shit-ton of users. The projection is about 70 million new Apple iDevices & iComputers in the next 6 weeks.

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Instead, the thinking in Redmond, Wash., is said to be that PC makers have offered "lackluster" designs, along with limited availability.

 

The irony is so thick you could stick a spoon in it. 

 
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MS is done. 

 

You're living in la-la land. 

 

MS has far greater market penetration than Apple does, and in the most important ways:

 

• Xbox 360. It isn't just a game console and has found its way into more homes than iOS devices. More iOS devices have been sold in total, but a lot of those have been thrown away and people buy more than one. They also aren't connected to TVs. 

 

• Microsoft doesn't treat pro customers like sh*t. Microsoft supports enterprise, government, and professionals. Apple has become focused on consumer products to the point of complete abandonment of all others. It's been making money for them in the short term, but consumers are the most fickle and will drop iOS in a heartbeat when something cheaper comes along that's almost as good. That could easily happen. 

 

People give MS a lot of crap as I often do for their crap products and lack of vision, but MS is very good at providing solutions and extracting revenue. Apple's position, in my opinion, is far more tenuous. My division here is where they make money:

 

 

Windows and Windows Live
Revenue: $19,024,000,000
Operating Income: $12,281,000,000

Business (Office, Exchange, SharePoint)
Revenue: $22,186,000,000
Operating income: $14,124,000,000

Server and Tools (Windows Server, Microsoft SQL, Visual Studio)
Revenue: $17,096,000,000
Operating Income: $6,608,000,000

Entertainment and Devices (XBox 360/LIVE, Windows Phone)
Revenue: $8,913,000,000
Operating income: $1,324,000,000

Online Services (Bing, MSN, Hotmail)
Revenue: $2,528,000,000
Operating income: $-2,557,000,000

post #49 of 149

As for Windows, Microsoft already won the desktop wars decades ago. Win95 came, Apple queefed. 

 

 

Apple seems to have thrown in the towel in terms of enterprise, and they haven't released a desktop in how long? The war being fought for now is the changing media/entertainment business model. Apple is no doubt working on their next AppleTV failure while Microsoft is looking forward to trouncing the market with Xbox 720.

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http://www.webpronews.com/windows-8-is-it-worth-the-upgrade-2012-10

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The move to Windows 7 may be the last major change among enterprise customers for some time. Michael Silver, an analyst at tech research firm Gartner, told Reuters that he expects 90 percent of large organization to not “deploy Windows 8 broadly.” Even worse, he expects only 20 percent of PCs in large corporations to be equipped with Windows 8.

 

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So, it all comes down to one question – should you upgrade to Windows 8? At the moment, it’s not really worth it. The operating system doesn’t have enough going for it to make the upgrade worth it for consumers or enterprise. The app store is relatively barren and lacks a number of important apps – Facebook and Twitter – that are important to consumers. The amount of work required to retrain an entire workforce to use the new start menu and a desktop without a start button would take too long and cost too much.
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...and they haven't released a desktop in how long?

Has it even been two weeks?

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The fact was though, there were even then, people who not only *could* do everything with the mouse and the GUI, they actually preferred it, and they could get things done just as fast.  those people eventually grew to be more numerous than the CLI guys

 

[....]

 

This is because the number of people who truly "get" the new form factor is still low (most are probably still kids right now) but as before, there are people who don't need or ever want an external keyboard or mouse and can get things done just as fast using only touch

Your analogy has one faulty piece of reasoning. The mouse pointer is extremely accurate down to the exact pixel. A finger as a pointer is thousands of times less accurate. Touch users can get things done as long as it does not require precision pointing such as bezier curve paths or photoshop like pixel level editing. Even selecting text and copy/paste is problematic at times. Don't kid yourself, touch users will NEVER get the precision or proficiency of a mouse. You can actually draw bezier curves better with a text editor than you can with touch. SVG can be completely controlled with text. Of course you can't save it anywhere on an iDevice but that is different problem.

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I bet you have a refrigerator full of Hostess Twinkies too.  1devil.gif

Twinkies have better shelf life.

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what do they expect?  The Zune was a complete failure. What do they do?  They take the horrid, unusable UI from the Zune and jam it on their cell phone OS, Windows Phone.  Now Windows Phone is a complete and total failure due to a fugly,unsuable OS which no one likes except all the paid shills.  So what do they do? They cram the twice failed horridly unsuable UI on their Window OS to force it onto their illegally obtained desktop monopoly.  Now it is failing.  What is the common denominator here?

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I bet you have a refrigerator full of Hostess Twinkies too.  1devil.gif

What's wrong with his comment? It can be much harder to find older versions of SW at a B&M store.

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what do they expect?  The Zune was a complete failure. What do they do?  They take the horrid, unusable UI from the Zune and jam it on their cell phone OS, Windows Phone.  Now Windows Phone is a complete and total failure due to a fugly,unsuable OS which no one likes except all the paid shills.  So what do they do? They cram the twice failed horridly unsuable UI on their Window OS to force it onto their illegally obtained desktop monopoly.  Now it is failing.  What is the common denominator here?

I quite like the Zune 2.0 UI. I think WinPh7 UI was great. I love that were able to make the WinNT kernel work on x86, x86_64 and ARM, even at the core of WinPh8. These are not reasons to pooh-pooh MS. I think MS has failed because they tried to make Windows 8 do everything at once resulting in a Swiss Army knife which technically has many tools yet none of them are very good. I blame Ballmer for giving Sinofsky the foolish and impossible task of trying to make Windows be everything to everyone in both the UI, UX and nomenclature (unless of course that was his idea, then I blame Sinofsky).

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It's a BIG transition for PC owners. I remember when Apple went to OS X from OS 9 in the early 2000s.
A LOT of people HATED OS X - because it meant buying ALL new software

 

Except that you still could either run existing Mac apps in Classic mode, or reboot into OS 9 if a specific application didn't play nicely.

 

I clearly remember testing 10.0 and able to do some work in 10.1 while using OS 9 for most of it, and being mostly switched away from OS 9 by 10.2. (We were a Mac sea in a very large Unix shop.)

 

In retrospect, it was a fairly painless transition, since it wasn't an either/or situation; we could switch between the environment that worked best for us, and OS X played better with the Unix world around us than OS 9 did.

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In retrospect, it was a fairly painless transition, since it wasn't an either/or situation; we could switch between the environment that worked best for us, and OS X played better with the Unix world around us than OS 9 did.

At that time we were doing a lot of Quark which was not OS X compatible. It became very tedious switching back and forth from Classic to OS X. By the time Quark got around to updating their software many people had moved to inDesign even though in many ways it was inferior but at least it worked in OS X. Adobe gave us free copies as an upgrade to Pagemaker which we hadn't used at all for several years. Adobe was pretty quick to adopt the new OS so it took the lead in what was a Quark dominated industry. Quark made the mistake of putting all their eggs in the Windows basket and they paid the price for ignoring their Mac base. Now they are irrelevant.

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As for Windows, Microsoft already won the desktop wars decades ago. Win95 came, Apple queefed. 

 

 

 

Apple's penalty for losing the PC war in the 1990s is that they're now the most profitable PC maker in the world. Mac sales growth has outpaced the industry for well around 30 consecutive quarters, and counting. Apple owns the $1000+ category. "We don't ship junk" indeed.
 
Closed licensing of OS X was the right decision - no question, both for ensuring a superior user experience and for keeping OS X out of the hands of cheap box-assemblers. Both are related, of course. 
 
End-to-end control of the experience. At the core of this is an OS that isn't licensed out. The OS is the single most important part of the computing experience. There’s no other PC maker that controls the most important aspect of its computers. This is why Macs are so coveted. This is why they sell like crazy even in a recession. And this is why Macs (and consequently, OS X) have dominated consumer satisfaction for years. Macs running OS X set the gold standard for the industry.
 
And we're not even talking iOS devices here. 
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You're living in la-la land. ...... My division here is where they make money.....

Sad. Very sad.

 

Good luck. Seriously.

post #61 of 149
With Metro (or whatever confused label MS is using for it now), and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter. 
 
It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world. 
 
It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.
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I guess you don't have young children, the Pear is already taken by iCarly. Lol
http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/Pear_Company

I thought the same exact thing lol

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That's true but MS has no one to blame but itself for positioning the Win OEMs to race to the bottom for scraps.

That is not completely true.

I think it is OEMs state of mind that drove them to "race to the bottom for scraps". As in, we'll make cheaper and sell more.

Big winners in PC segment are companies that are emerging from that mindstate and are trying to crack premium segment and premium margins.

Asus has 43% profit increase over the same period last year, and has grown their market share as well. But look at their laptops and tablets - ZenBooks, Gaming notebooks, Transformer tablets: sweet design, premium materials, good quality IPS screens.

Lenovo is the other market and profit growing PC vendor, and again one known for their not-so-cheap units (ThinkPads T, X, W) rather than cheap consumer products.

Quality sells, most of the times.

I cannot speak for the others, but I don't think my judgement is uncommon in scenario like this: I like HP to some degree, as we have good go with them at work - we are pretty much exclusively pushing EliteBooks and 8300 Elite desktops on our customers nowadays, and our experience is good - number of faults is really low. So I was looking at HP Envy Spectre XT for my light-and-portable laptop. Beautiful machine on paper (and on screen), but when I finally had a chance to try one in real, I was immediately turned away with awful, cheap, 1366*768 TN panel with, like, 10 degrees of vertical viewing. I don't even mind resolution - I'm wearing glasses, and I don't plan to use this lappy for anything more complex than dumping images from my cameras when travelling, beside usual stuff (browsing, emailing, FBing etc). But... I don't want to sit in front of screen like a statue, or move screen every couple of minutes to get into sweet spot. That was acceptable compromise 5+ years ago, but today, my phone, tablet and desktop have IPS screens with decent horizontal AND vertical viewing angles - why should I accept anything less from laptop?

And what sort of muppet in HP made decision to put THAT screen in THAT laptop? And why? And why isn't there an option to pay more for decent screen on Spectre XT?

That is not Microsoft decision, that is incompetent management, on multiple levels. That is also the reason MS is entering hardware market.

As a result, my money will go to Samsung Series 9 or Asus ZenBook. It is really that simple. And I will be really surprised if this time next year, I don't see Asus, Samsung, Lenovo... growing their PC market shares and profits even more, with Dell, HP and likes shrinking.
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I went right out and bought a couple copies of Win 7 OEM just to have around for any new office PCs we might need in the future. I certainly don't want to be stuck having to deal with Win 8 from the looks of it.

 

I bet you have a refrigerator full of Hostess Twinkies too.  1devil.gif

Windows legacy compatibility is a critical infrastructure component for our accounting department so I am just buying insurance that I have a couple extra licenses to hold me over in the event that Microsoft screws the pooch on this OS launch. Hostess Twinkies on the other hand are more obnoxious than any version of Windows by a huge margin. They are just disgusting. I can honestly say I have never eaten any Hostess product including Wonder bread. I'm a natural foods guy all the way.

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Apple's penalty for losing the PC war in the 1990s is that they're now the most profitable PC maker in the world. Mac sales growth has outpaced the industry for well around 30 consecutive quarters, and counting. Apple owns the $1000+ category. "We don't ship junk" indeed.
 
Closed licensing of OS X was the right decision - no question, both for ensuring a superior user experience and for keeping OS X out of the hands of cheap box-assemblers. Both are related, of course. 
 
End-to-end control of the experience. At the core of this is an OS that isn't licensed out. The OS is the single most important part of the computing experience. There’s no other PC maker that controls the most important aspect of its computers. This is why Macs are so coveted. This is why they sell like crazy even in a recession. And this is why Macs (and consequently, OS X) have dominated consumer satisfaction for years. Macs running OS X set the gold standard for the industry.
 
And we're not even talking iOS devices here. 

You keep repeating that... however, repeating does not make it necessarily true.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-Bests-Mac-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-in-Satisfaction-Measuring-Contest-134018.shtml

And why not talking about iOS? - apparently user satisfaction in iOS 6 is a bit lower than iOS5. Windows Phone user satisfaction also tends to beat iOS frequently, but I agree it is too early to consider that before (if at all) WP8 gains some tangible market share.

Every company will eventually make a mistake. Is Windows 8 MSs mistake? Personally I don't think so as I am using it for almost 3 months now without any regrets, but time will tell. Likewise, is focusing on faster hardware while keeping core OS functionality almost unchanged since 2007, trying to substitute UI innovation with some already tried and tired "more pixels, more GHz" philosophy that didn't work too well for number of PC OEMs also a mistake?

We'll see.
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Sorry.. the Air is beautiful, the zenbook is nothing more than a "me too" copy wannabe.

Still, the design is a proven seller. It just has the Windows 8 cooties.

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I went right out and bought a couple copies of Win 7 OEM just to have around for any new office PCs we might need in the future. I certainly don't want to be stuck having to deal with Win 8 from the looks of it.

If the machines have Windows 8 Pro, then they include downgrade rights, so all you really needed is one copy for installation media.
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If the machines have Windows 8 Pro, then they include downgrade rights, so all you really needed is one copy for installation media.

Good to know for the future. I always build my own machines from bare iron so I am used to having the install media that I intend on using.

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This is a bit rich since Microsoft itself has been unable to release what was supposed to be the flagship device for Windows 8, (the Surface Pro), and isn't expected to do so until January/February next year.  
The Surface RT (which doesn't technically even run Windows 8 but instead runs Windows 8 RT), has itself also been reviewed as "lacklustre."  

The irony is so high it threatens to explode the universe. 
Yeah how pathetic that MS is throwing their OEM's under the bus while at the same time getting in the hardware business to compete with them.
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Good to know for the future. I always build my own machines from bare iron so I am used to having the install media that I intend on using.

You use pre-made iron? I hope you at least mine the ore yourself like all true PC builders. I make my own by sourcing the electrons, neutrons and protons¡

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I remember when we were switching from command line interfaces to GUIs, and one of the arguments for always needing a DOS prompt was that for some things, using a mouse and the window GUI was awkward and slow.  The fact was though, there were even then, people who not only *could* do everything with the mouse and the GUI, they actually preferred it, and they could get things done just as fast.  those people eventually grew to be more numerous than the CLI guys.

IMO history is repeating itself with touch interfaces. Everyone's trying to figure out how to use tablets by attaching keyboards and making special cases or in Microsoft's case, letting you use a mouse.  All the manufacturers are basically pushing what amounts to a hybrid or convertible laptop, (even if the keyboard is separate and communicates by bluetooth).  This is because the number of people who truly "get" the new form factor is still low (most are probably still kids right now) but as before, there are people who don't need or ever want an external keyboard or mouse and can get things done just as fast using only touch

It seems likely to me that this group of "touch-only" users has a distinct advantage and will only grow in the future as more and more kids are brought up on this stuff.  

Microsoft still hasn't seen this yet, or they just don't believe it if they have.  All the hybrid "it's sorta a tablet but also a PC" stuff is just a temporary stopgap.  the future is touch.
Apple has leaped over them and they still haven't really grokked what's happened.  

I am in 100% agreement with you.
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I'm sure Windows 9 will fix everything.
I'm sure Windows 10 will fix everything.
I'm sure Windows 11 will fix everything.
I'm sure Windows 12 will fix everything.
I'm sure Windows 13 will fix everything.
I'm sure Windows 14 will fix everything.
...
I'm sure Windows 32005122694083245123 will fix everything.
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With Metro (or whatever confused label MS is using for it now), and this whole jumbled, confused and misguided Windows 8 paradigm, MS has shown very clearly and beyond any doubt, that the future of personal computing belongs to their leaner, meaner, and definitely faster competitors, like Apple. MS has handed it to them on a silver platter. 
 
It's not because they don't have any talent. It isn't because they don't have resources. It isn't because they don't have any contact with the outside world. 
 
It's because a CLOWN has been running the circus there for over 10 years.

 

Quick! Cue the calliope and send in Monkey Boy...!!!

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Good to know for the future. I always build my own machines from bare iron so I am used to having the install media that I intend on using.

You use pre-made iron? I hope you at least mine the ore yourself like all true PC builders. I make my own by sourcing the electrons, neutrons and protons¡

Did you get permission from the creator to access atomic elements? You are likely going to be sued by God for using elements from the periodic table without a license?

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I hope you at least mine the ore yourself like all true PC builders. I make my own by sourcing the electrons, neutrons and protons¡

What? You call yourself a 'builder' and can't even build your own atoms?!

 

Lame....

post #75 of 149
I think Microsoft's biggest mistake, with Windows 8, was forcing the touch/tile interface on PC users. It's necessary for tablets, but the dual screen confuses most PC users. I predict 1) Windows 7 will be around for a LONG time and b) Microsoft will allow PC users to disable Metro in a future Windows 8 update. It's really New Coke vs. Coke Classic all over again...
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It might be fair to say that the typical buyers of Windows computers may be in a more vulnerable economic position than typical Mac buyers.

Why? I'm an Apple convert due to my long history wih Microsoft's OS offerings, and I'm poor. Very poor.
post #77 of 149
You can only multitask 2 apps in Metro, which means if you're a business forget it. Metro is not intuitive. Sit someone down in front of a Windows 8 PC, boot it up and see how long it takes them to figure out how to get to the login screen.
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You can only multitask 2 apps in Metro, which means if you're a business forget it. Metro is not intuitive. Sit someone down in front of a Windows 8 PC, boot it up and see how long it takes them to figure out how to get to the login screen.

 

LOL. For me, it was something like 20 minutes. And I've been using goddamned Windows since the late 80s.

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post #79 of 149
Speaking from a person who did a clean install of Windows 8...

I have been using it for a couple of weeks and overall, I like it. It is faster and I like the GUI changes as well as things such as native ISO support in the OS.

Having said that, my Start screen has ZERO Metro apps. Instead the Start screen is populated with a desktop icon plus icons for HDDs, folders, desktop programs, etc.

So, in the end, I am 95% ignoring the Start Screen except when I need to use it as the equivalent of the Windows 7 Start menu.

Take that for what it is worth...
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You can only multitask 2 apps in Metro, which means if you're a business forget it. Metro is not intuitive. Sit someone down in front of a Windows 8 PC, boot it up and see how long it takes them to figure out how to get to the login screen.

Totally incorrect. You can have multiple Metro apps open at one time. Where do you get this info from?.
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