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Nokia on Tuesday made good on a promise to bring its new "Here" mapping service to iOS as it launched a free app complete with offline caching and voice-guided walking directions.

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Nokia's new "Here" mapping app offers walking and public transit directions.


First spotted by The Next Web, "Here" comes exactly one week after Nokia CEO Stephen Elop announced that the app would be available for iPhones, iPads and iPods sometime in the coming weeks.

According to Nokia, the HTML5-based mapping solution includes offline capabilities and, unlike Apple's own Maps app, voice-guided walking navigation and public transportation directions.

"Maps are hard to get right - but location is revolutionizing how we use technology to engage with the real world," said Nokia's Executive Vice President of Location & Commerce Michael Halbherr, who is responsible for Here. "That's why we have been investing and will continue to invest in building the world's most powerful location offering, one that is unlike anything in the market today."

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The Finnish company also noted that future updates will come with 3D capabilities akin to Apple and Google's solutions, which will come from technology acquired by earthmine. Nokia is rolling out the mapping service on its Microsoft Windows Phone handsets as well as versions for Google's Android and Mozilla's Firefox OS.

Nokia's app is one of the first major no-cost mapping submissions to rival Apple's Maps app, which caused a flap with consumers and the media when it was released as part of iOS 6 in September. With Maps, Apple chose to move away from its longstanding partnership with Google Maps to a proprietary solution built completely in house. Upon launch, however, the program was fraught with problems like rendering issues and incorrect location data.

The internet search giant is said to be planning its own standalone iOS app that may see release soon as rumors claim the company is distributing near final versions of the software to outside testers. One of the major gripes with Apple's solution is the lack of Google's Street View option, however that feature was brought back to mobile Safari with the Google Maps web app in October with limited functionality.

Nokia's Here is available now for iOS as a free download from the App Store.
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got it


Edited by mwhiteco - 11/20/12 at 4:29am
post #3 of 58
Great app! Searched for 'PrintHouse' in London and the app found 'Penthouse' night club. Didn't realise it could read one's mind! 1biggrin.gif
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From a user point of view, having several Maps apps is a loss of time and also increases the risk of cluttering. The way Apple should have fight against Google Maps is exactly the way they dropped PowerPC: They only released Intel support when it was 100% ready and it matched all the 100% of functionality of the PowerPC versions. For maps, they should have followed the same approach: develop Apple Maps in secret, until it matches -or surpasses- the 100% of Google Maps functionality, and in the mean time continue supporting Google Maps as the official maps app for iOS. Then, one morning you announce Apple Maps, and the same afternoon the app is ready for download. End of story. That's the way Apple always played these games, and that's how they should have done it now.

 

Instead, they argued you had lots of maps apps as alternatives to Apple Maps and Google Maps. That's bad, you don't need cluttering alternatives, you want Google Maps, and -when it's ready-, Apple Maps. Just keep it simple.

 

Now let's wait until we also get Sony Maps, McDonalds Maps, and Barbie Maps.

post #5 of 58
I encourage everyone to download and try out this software. It's a great reminder of the crap people have to put up with on other platforms.

No retina graphics. It's slow. Pinch to zoom is wonky. Search results are not centered on the map, so when you try to zoom in the search result immediately scrolls off screen. Search results are worse than Apple Maps.

Most of the search problems with Apple Maps in my area were resolved within the first two weeks of release. These same problems are still present in Nokia's maps.
post #6 of 58

"Maps are hard to get right"

 

And they got them wrong. Very slow, shitty typography, zooming isn't continuous, so whenever you stop pinching it'll jump to the nearest accepted zoom level (in practice not even close to what you wanted). Several roads missing (including half my entire neighbourhood), some in the wrong place, and a complete lack of POIs that makes Apple Maps (which is great on roads but poor on POIs in my city) look like a gold standard. Transit directions were also missing from my city.

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From a user point of view, having several Maps apps is a loss of time and also increases the risk of cluttering. The way Apple should have fight against Google Maps is exactly the way they dropped PowerPC: They only released Intel support when it was 100% ready and it matched all the 100% of functionality of the PowerPC versions. For maps, they should have followed the same approach: develop Apple Maps in secret, until it matches -or surpasses- the 100% of Google Maps functionality, and in the mean time continue supporting Google Maps as the official maps app for iOS. Then, one morning you announce Apple Maps, and the same afternoon the app is ready for download. End of story. That's the way Apple always played these games, and that's how they should have done it now.

 

Instead, they argued you had lots of maps apps as alternatives to Apple Maps and Google Maps. That's bad, you don't need cluttering alternatives, you want Google Maps, and -when it's ready-, Apple Maps. Just keep it simple.

 

Now let's wait until we also get Sony Maps, McDonalds Maps, and Barbie Maps.

And this is a great thing. Even Google Maps for iOS will become much better JUST BECAUSE Apple did the right thing. Maps in general will be better because of what Apple did.

 

If you don't understand it, you are hopeless.

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Tried out their Here maps on my 5 and they are dire. Did a side by side with Apple Maps and Google Maps and the Nokia service is terrible, no detail satellite maps for my location and no POI's. I will stick to the Apple Maps and Co-Pilot for navigation thanks.

Deleted and 1 starred in the App store now.
post #9 of 58
Don't plan to even give it a try. Very happy with Apple Maps.
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Originally Posted by ecs View Post

From a user point of view, having several Maps apps is a loss of time and also increases the risk of cluttering. The way Apple should have fight against Google Maps is exactly the way they dropped PowerPC: They only released Intel support when it was 100% ready and it matched all the 100% of functionality of the PowerPC versions. For maps, they should have followed the same approach: develop Apple Maps in secret, until it matches -or surpasses- the 100% of Google Maps functionality, and in the mean time continue supporting Google Maps as the official maps app for iOS. Then, one morning you announce Apple Maps, and the same afternoon the app is ready for download. End of story. That's the way Apple always played these games, and that's how they should have done it now.

Instead, they argued you had lots of maps apps as alternatives to Apple Maps and Google Maps. That's bad, you don't need cluttering alternatives, you want Google Maps, and -when it's ready-, Apple Maps. Just keep it simple.

Now let's wait until we also get Sony Maps, McDonalds Maps, and Barbie Maps.

Re: the bolded.

I don't know where you were during the transition to Intel, but there was plenty of complaining because many apps ran slower - and some apps wouldn't run at all on the Intel machines. It took years before the transition was largely trouble-free.
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post #11 of 58
I have to say that after downloading this and with the resolution of a lot of the initial issues with Apple maps I can say that I prefer and actually "like" Apple maps now. It is generally my default for getting anywhere...the turn by turn navigation is smooth and generally pretty good. It is definitely graphically superior to Nokia and I feel that if they can expand the 3d models it will replace google maps quite nicely. The only thing I miss from google maps is street view which I dont use all the time and with the coming google app it solves that issue.
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This is a good app that has well tested map data behind it, but I still prefer the new Apple Maps.  Apple Maps just looks and feels better to use and as it matures will rule the maps of the universe.

 

This Nokia app was probably being developed because the automotive industry which uses Nokia maps heavily is considering iOS based automotive computer system.  They probably want many GPS mapping options and if they already have contracts with Nokia maps then they would want Nokia to port it's GPS to iOS.

 

It's a win win for Nokia and Apple and a lost for Google.

 

Time will tell.

post #13 of 58
Finally I have something that can be called Maps on my iPhone! It's way, way, WAAAY better then that stupid Apple Maps! Although is not as detailed as the old Google Maps, at least now I can actually find something on the map when I search.Thank you Nokia! Keep it up and who knows, maybe next year I might give a try to a future Lumia 1020!
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Try this test: Type Cayman Islands in both Apple Maps and Nokia Here Maps. In Apple Maps there is only the airport, NO STREETS AT ALL, but in Nokia Here Maps there are streets and everything! That's the difference! Apple Maps SUCKS if you are not in USA!
post #15 of 58

Took a quick look at HERE.  Like many have said, it is a little backward compared to Apple or Google Map.  Nothing compared to Apple Map in terms of speed.  Search is Google's specialty, but one can get by with the Apple map in the US.  I still prefer Apple map for its speed.  For the time being, the HERE map is here to stay to supplement Apple map for its offline capability.  We'll see what Google brings to the table.  After all the trash talk (Apple won't approve 3rd party map app), they better do the walk and not hold back on functionality.  The hurdle is getting higher and higher for a map app to stay on my devices.  Competition is good for the users.  I am glad that Apple brings out their own map to raise the bar.

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Apple maps, look nicer, apple maps feels more polished. but nokia maps actually has the correct data. mean while applemaps is off target by close to 100km. So yeah apple maps sucks ass where i live compared to nokia and the old google app. I dont give a shit that apples offering works flawless in some US major city 15000km away. What bothers me is the shit experience I am having with where I need to use maps. Which the previous offering by google still solves better
than anyone. I also dont care for the hacky HTML street view which is inferior to the google app for the way i want to use maps.

I don't like it when a company removes a feature that I paid for and really like. I really dont care if 100000 other people love the new app. When I pay for something I like with my money and its removed its all about me!
post #17 of 58
With much trepidation today I updated my iPhone 4 from iOS5.1.1 to 6.0.1. Given the great squawking and clucking(tm) over the last couple of months I was expecting a bloodbath with an unusable phone at the end. NOT THE CASE AT ALL. Not only was the update as smooth as glass, but the dreaded maps worked PERFECTLY in the corner of Sydney that I live in. I even tried a route to the local Westfield and Maps gave me three options: the first of which was closest to the one that I usually take.

I had a quick poke round London and Mumbai (neither of which I know, I have to confess) and the satellite images were perfectly clear. What mosaicing there was CLEARED UP IF I LEFT THE THING TO SETTLE DOWN FOR A FEW SECONDS (rather than having a tantrum and taking a snap of it for online uploading 1wink.gif).

I even "located" family in Adelaide, even with inadvertent misspellings.

For a version 1 (or "1.0.1") I find it to be surprisingly good, and not the pre-alpha disaster that its critics have accused it of being.

I tried the browser version of Nokia Maps last week, and they seem good too, although I was put off by the ad banner (admittedly it can be hidden). I haven't downloaded "Here" yet, but at the moment I don't need to. That may change, of course, and many people will no doubt say that it will.

So far, so good: VERY PLEASED 1smile.gif.
Edited by AlexN - 11/20/12 at 6:11am
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The only thing I am looking for is a really good public transit app, which Google Maps did well.
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Finally I have something that can be called Maps on my iPhone! It's way, way, WAAAY better then that stupid Apple Maps! Although is not as detailed as the old Google Maps, at least now I can actually find something on the map when I search.Thank you Nokia! Keep it up and who knows, maybe next year I might give a try to a future Lumia 1020!

Try this test: type the word 'shill' into your browser.
Wiki definition sound right ?
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Gave it a try and then promptly deleted it. Terrible app.  Everything was fuzzy and blocky (no Retina graphics).  It uses only bitmapped maps which, after using Apple Maps, is joke.  It was choppy in trying to find my location and I felt like I was playing an Atari game.

 

Perhaps the only thing I have found lacking in Apple Maps is a more intelligent search algorithm to make up for my lack of intelligence when searching for things.  For instance, I may just type "FedEx" to find nearby FedEx stores, but it only would find FedEx warehouses or miss out on other business locations that can ship FedEx.  Otherwise, the quality of the maps and routing I've found to be excellent.

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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

Tried out their Here maps on my 5 and they are dire. Did a side by side with Apple Maps and Google Maps and the Nokia service is terrible, no detail satellite maps for my location and no POI's. I will stick to the Apple Maps and Co-Pilot for navigation thanks.

Deleted and 1 starred in the App store now.

That's some thorough review you did there...
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Originally Posted by ecs View Post

From a user point of view, having several Maps apps is a loss of time and also increases the risk of cluttering. The way Apple should have fight against Google Maps is exactly the way they dropped PowerPC: They only released Intel support when it was 100% ready and it matched all the 100% of functionality of the PowerPC versions. For maps, they should have followed the same approach: develop Apple Maps in secret, until it matches -or surpasses- the 100% of Google Maps functionality, and in the mean time continue supporting Google Maps as the official maps app for iOS. Then, one morning you announce Apple Maps, and the same afternoon the app is ready for download. End of story. That's the way Apple always played these games, and that's how they should have done it now.

Instead, they argued you had lots of maps apps as alternatives to Apple Maps and Google Maps. That's bad, you don't need cluttering alternatives, you want Google Maps, and -when it's ready-, Apple Maps. Just keep it simple.

Now let's wait until we also get Sony Maps, McDonalds Maps, and Barbie Maps.

I guess that you never read that Maps apps, regardless of who makes them, NEED user interaction in order to improve. Google has a 10 year head start, 5 years on iOS, with all the data that they have collected.

No Map app is going to reach Google's level of expertise, if people don't use them. So as user, if you like competition to force Map app makers to improve, please try various Map apps.

BTW
Did you you miss the 680x0 to PowerPC transition, where it took time for many app developers to optimize code for the faster PPC platform.
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Try this test: type the word 'shill' into your browser.
Wiki definition sound right ?

 

Yeah, sure, I'm a lying and there are actually STREETS in Apple Maps if you go to Cayman Islands, right?
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
That's some thorough review you did there...

 

I'm sorry, what part of "it only matters if it works for me" is unclear?

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post #25 of 58

Their data is probably impressive, but their maps are ugly.

Can someone tell me if it updates the search results as you pan around the map? That's one feature Maps is lacking.

post #26 of 58

No Integration with Contacts??? Pretty useless if you ask me Charlie. I stay with iOS Maps and Waze.

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Apple maps, look nicer, apple maps feels more polished. but nokia maps actually has the correct data. mean while applemaps is off target by close to 100km. So yeah apple maps sucks ass where i live compared to nokia and the old google app. I dont give a shit that apples offering works flawless in some US major city 15000km away. What bothers me is the shit experience I am having with where I need to use maps. Which the previous offering by google still solves better
than anyone. I also dont care for the hacky HTML street view which is inferior to the google app for the way i want to use maps.
I don't like it when a company removes a feature that I paid for and really like. I really dont care if 100000 other people love the new app. When I pay for something I like with my money and its removed its all about me!

 

Re: bolded--

 

It was well documented that the new Apple Maps was loosing streetview.  If this is a critical feature for you; frankly, you shouldn't have upgraded.  Period. End of story.  Apple isn't forcing anyone to upgrade.  If you stuck with iOS 5, it would've performed exactly as it did the day before.

 

It's getting tiring listening to a few people gripe about the lack of streetview.  Two words: don't upgrade.  The new Maps represents the biggest change in iOS, there frankly isn't all that much more that you'd be missing by not upgrading.

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Don't plan to even give it a try. Very happy with Apple Maps.

+1

 

I'm certainly not denying others that find shortcomings with Maps but I love it. I won't be installing this nor Google Maps if/when it's available.

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Originally Posted by ecs View Post

From a user point of view, having several Maps apps is a loss of time and also increases the risk of cluttering. The way Apple should have fight against Google Maps is exactly the way they dropped PowerPC: They only released Intel support when it was 100% ready and it matched all the 100% of functionality of the PowerPC versions. For maps, they should have followed the same approach: develop Apple Maps in secret, until it matches -or surpasses- the 100% of Google Maps functionality, and in the mean time continue supporting Google Maps as the official maps app for iOS. Then, one morning you announce Apple Maps, and the same afternoon the app is ready for download. End of story. That's the way Apple always played these games, and that's how they should have done it now.

 

Instead, they argued you had lots of maps apps as alternatives to Apple Maps and Google Maps. That's bad, you don't need cluttering alternatives, you want Google Maps, and -when it's ready-, Apple Maps. Just keep it simple.

 

Now let's wait until we also get Sony Maps, McDonalds Maps, and Barbie Maps.

 

Got it!

 

 

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post #30 of 58

I don't know what you are looking at, but the graphics on this Nokia app are scary...low res bit mapped graphics, the app is slow, it functions like a web app, isn't attractive, tapping with two fingers doesn't even zoom out...too hard to navigate.  The Apple map app looks first class by comparison.  I do hate losing street view, but the Google app is a solution to this.  Once Apple gets all the kinks out of the Maps app it will be above all the rest...it works better than the Nokia app now.

I guess Nokia regrets all the lost time it spent laughing during their official response when asked about the first iPhone...should have been doing research instead of wasting their precious time, now they are practically history.

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From a user point of view, having several Maps apps is a loss of time and also increases the risk of cluttering. The way Apple should have fight against Google Maps is exactly the way they dropped PowerPC: They only released Intel support when it was 100% ready and it matched all the 100% of functionality of the PowerPC versions. For maps, they should have followed the same approach: develop Apple Maps in secret, until it matches -or surpasses- the 100% of Google Maps functionality, and in the mean time continue supporting Google Maps as the official maps app for iOS. Then, one morning you announce Apple Maps, and the same afternoon the app is ready for download. End of story. That's the way Apple always played these games, and that's how they should have done it now.

 

 

This view lacks an understanding of how great maps are created. Maps require a lot of data. It would be very hard for Apple to create a great map application while keeping it secret. Perhaps you remember when Apple first released OSX. It was slow and buggy as hell. Yet, after six months Apple released a version 10.1, which was a huge fix.  Sometimes you just have to ship the product to put it in users hands, and then fix the bugs based on feedback. Now OSX is a great OS. You can also point to Final Cut Pro X, where it built the app from the ground up, but left out a lot of features. People gave criticisms, and Apple quickly addressed the complaints and now it is becoming a great application as well. 

 

Maps really rely on public data. The only thing Apple did wrong was not declare the product a beta out the gate. Apple should of from the git go issued a statement highlighting the great features of Maps - turn-by turn, vector graphics, speed, etc. Then is should have said the product was currently a beta, and told everybody there would be some errors in mapping data, but with community input the errors would be corrected quickly. 

 

Apple made the right decision in ditching Google. I for one never used the Google based Maps App. It stunk with no turn by turn. Mapquests free app is better. I paid for Navigon, but now use Apple's Maps. Apple knows most people are going to use Apple's Maps because for most people they are a big improvement over what Google was offering before. . Moreover, Apple  needs the user data to quickly make it better, and it has forced Google to provide a better Maps App than it was offering Apple without having to give Google anything. 

post #32 of 58

HERE --> Tried it out and didn't like it one single bit!!!!

 

Then... (after completely abandoning Apple's native map app for weeks) went back to Maps to make comparisons and was amazed on how much the maps had improved in my area!!!! YAY!!!! :-) :-) :-)

 

Maps is finally Apple worthy!!!!

post #33 of 58
It makes Apples app look good.
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I don't know what you are looking at, but the graphics on this Nokia app are scary...low res bit mapped graphics, the app is slow, it functions like a web app, isn't attractive, tapping with two fingers doesn't even zoom out...too hard to navigate.

I'm looking at an app that actually works as advertised, has plenty of information in my area including traffic and spoken walking directions, and can be pre-cached. I care about functionality, not bling.
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I care about functionality, not bling.

You can't beat Apple Maps for functionality. Despite the inaccuracies and poor satellite imagery, it is integrated into iOS like no third party app is allowed to be. It is also integrated with Siri and provides other apps with a framework to access MapKit, making it clearly the most functional of all Map apps. Just as Google has the upper hand in data due to their search business, Apple will ultimately have a better user experience due to their core iOS integration - that is once they fix some of the shortcommings. I do like Apple's 3D models of buildings quite a lot, but the satellite imagery could be a lot better in my opinion.

 

I don't think I'll bother with Nokia 'Here' but I might try Google Maps once released. For now I get my transit info and any high-res imagery I need from the web version.

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post #36 of 58
Even though i can't find anything at all on Apple maps i hate everything else and i realise that i LOVE Apple maps.
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Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post

If you don't understand it, you are hopeless.

Condescension only works when someone smart is saying something so clearly superior and others are really not getting it. What you say and how you say it is never superior. You are not smart enough. Save it or you just look like a Kia owner tossing his keys to a valet.

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Re: bolded--

It was well documented that the new Apple Maps was loosing streetview.  If this is a critical feature for you; frankly, you shouldn't have upgraded.  Period. End of story.  Apple isn't forcing anyone to upgrade.  If you stuck with iOS 5, it would've performed exactly as it did the day before.

It's getting tiring listening to a few people gripe about the lack of streetview.  Two words: don't upgrade.  The new Maps represents the biggest change in iOS, there frankly isn't all that much more that you'd be missing by not upgrading.

I have not upgraded my iPhone but have tried the apple maps on my iPad mini. Here is the problem with what you are saying updates to more and more of my apps require iOS 6, so my choice is to keep google maps and have no more upgrades to any of my software or upgrade and loose functionality.

If you cant understand how that is not a good thing well, you cant fix stupid. Either way google will release its superrior mapping app at which point I can upgrade. Five years down the road apple will have decent data and the google maps up will be redundant.

More than likely apple will be irrelevant like microsoft and we will hate on whoever is not using whatever we decided to buy.
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You can't beat Apple Maps for functionality. Despite the inaccuracies and poor satellite imagery, it is integrated into iOS like no third party app is allowed to be.

I have Google Maps for that (still using iOS 5.1.1), and my use of apps doesn't have to be mutually exclusive (except in the case of Apple Maps because they forced me to make a choice).

How's that relevant when I can't even trust the data? The thing about both Nokia and Google Maps for me is that I trust both of them to provide me with consistently accurate information everywhere in the world. I don't need maps to find my way around where I live; I need maps to find my way around in places that I am not familiar with, and I simply don't trust Apple for that. Nokia's app's ability to pre-cache maps, for example, is extremely reassuring, because it guarantees me that I will have map data even if cell coverage fails, and it guarantees me that if I travel abroad and disable cellular data (because it's expensive in roaming) I can still use maps.
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How's that relevant when I can't even trust the data? The thing about both Nokia and Google Maps for me is that I trust both of them to provide me with consistently accurate information everywhere in the world. I don't need maps to find my way around where I live; I need maps to find my way around in places that I am not familiar with, and I simply don't trust Apple for that. Nokia's app's ability to pre-cache maps, for example, is extremely reassuring, because it guarantees me that I will have map data even if cell coverage fails, and it guarantees me that if I travel abroad and disable cellular data (because it's expensive in roaming) I can still use maps.

Here is a test I made. I have mentioned this before that "Apple Store Fashion Island" shows up in the wrong location in Google Maps which pins it where it used to be 2+ years ago. I have submitted a correction but it is still in the same wrong spot. When Apple Maps first came out it also displayed the same incorrect location. I submitted the correction and it was fixed a couple weeks. Just recently, I tried the same search on the Nokia web based map and it pins the store in a completely different location twice as far off as Google and in a location that the Apple store has never been located. In this particular instance Apple Maps is the only correct map. I always test map data around locations I am familiar with to get a sense of the accuracy. 

 

As far as not having cell coverage, I can understand that and if I was concerned about it I would carry my dedicated GPS, but I'm not worried since I have my iPad and I always use a local sim when abroad. I have not been without cell coverage in a very, very long time.

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