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Here is my wish list:

 

1. Apple need to break its predictable product launch patterns.

2. The Big, the Small and the Ugly: 4.5"+ iPhone 6, 4" iPhone 6 and a low cost emerging markets iOS phone.

3. Much lighter regular ipad, retina ipad mini at 329$ and non retina iPad mini at 249$ or even 199$.

4. 799 and 999 macbook airs.

5. Apple TV set and cable box with full cable partnership.

 

If Apple doesnt do anything, its going to paint itself in a corner just like it did in the 80's Android is becoming the windows of the mobile market, Apple must at least offer something mainstream or its going to lose market share to the point its just a niche market. And then all the apps dev are going to leave the boat.

 

Apple is Doom TM

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March 2013: iPad Mini with Retina display

 

Far too soon. The next two updates will be either a spec bump or maintain current specs with a price drop to start "from $299". I believe apple will hold keep their cards close to their chest here and their strategy will be determined by what others do in this category. The third update from now is conceivably the first that could conceivable offer a 4x pixel (AKA retina) display.

 

 

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June 2013: WWDC brings us previews of iOS 7, and OSX, as well as MacBook Airs with Retina displays. Look for Jony Ive's influence over iOS to start showing up here.

 

 

Macbook Airs with 4x pixel displays will only show up after the 13 inch macbook pro has a dedicated GPU as standard. Otherwise there is too little differentiation between the models. The story in 2013 will be about Apple simplfying to four models - 11 inch air, 13 inch air, 13 inch MBP retina, 15 inch MBP retina. No optical drives and SSD across the board.
 
OSX will shift the focus to refining the user interface experience. New interface appearance is a cheap way of adding value, will offset the comparative lack of new software features. Siri makes strategic advances, first the ability to interface with more apps then wirelessly with other devices and online services. Apple's end game is to make "Ask siri..." become the new "why don't you google...?".
 

 

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September 2013: iPhone 5S, a "modest upgrade" from the iPhone 5. The iPad Mini gets a specs bump, and we get a new iPad, which is totally redesigned to look more like the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini.

 

This is basically on the money.

 

 

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November 2013: An Apple TV comes out. It should cost $1,500-$2,000 and come in sizes from 42-inches to 55-inches

 

 

I don't think an Apple TV set is right. No compelling reason for Apple to compete head to head with on display hardware. Samsung is far more adept - they could just replicate Apple's strategy at 1/3 of the price - content providers would be complicit in Samsung success as this erodes Apple's clout. Talks of disrupting Cable TV reflects america-centricity of analyst viewpoints. Pay TV is not as dominant in international markets. A la carte equates to hara kiri for content providers. Apple could conceivably consolidate multiple cable plans seamlessly into one device. This could make new customers only ever one click away and reduces the complexity for the end user. The television producer/advertiser/cable company triad is too cosy for any meaningful wedge to be driven between them.
 
Next version of Apple TV box features a dedicated App Store. $99 + 99c apps disrupts casual console space despite lack of an official dedicated controller being a major gripe and a missed opportunity. Nintendo tanks financially as Wii U's gimmicky/middle of the road strategy fails to appeal to core or casual gamers.
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You know what? Whatever. They want to build things based on rumors and what people tell them they want, it's their funeral.

 

Hey, Apple is releasing an xMac, too.

Hey, Apple is building a car. 

Hey, Apple is making an iPhone nano.

 

Boom. There goes the company.

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1, 2, and 3: Not in the slightest.

 

Look, we're gonna get one. It's gonna be completely redone. And it's gonna be great. But there won't be any FireWire ports, there won't be any optical drives, and there could very well be no internal PCIe expansion. Just a single, double-wide 16x PCIe 3.0 slot for the graphics card. But it will be great.

 

75% of the existing Mac Pro userbase will whine about it, saying it's the end. The other quarter will immediately buy it and instantly be on the forefront of professional computing across any platform. Half of the 75% will eventually buy it once they see reviews and how well it works where it does, since no other computers from anyone else will be close. A quarter of the 75% will keep their current Mac Pro until it dies, all the while whining on forums about how they refuse to change and how Apple needs to meet their archaic needs. The final quarter will immediately move away from Apple entirely, and half of them will regret it once they see reviews and how poorly the crap from everyone else works.

 

That's a lot of fractions. lol.gif

 

You view things in such a silly manner at times. It's very simple. You look at what is available when combining options from Apple and whatever third parties to see if and how your needs can be met. Either you will or will not have a workable solution there. One thing is that an NVidia gpu option is a necessity. It's a soft requirement for certain markets that have historically purchased the mac pro. I disagree with your analogy on keeping things until they die, or at least the reasoning. If their needs aren't really growing, it doesn't matter, and they were unlikely candidates for a new purchase. I don't personally adhere to a strict upgrade schedule. It just comes down to what I have relative to what I require. I also disagree that everything else performs poorly. Real world testing is not in your favor. When it comes to workstation apps, it's hit and miss. Some things run faster on OSX. It's usually those with large linux followings. Others evaluate faster on Windows. There's no need to insert tribalism into computer purchases.

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1, 2, and 3: Not in the slightest.

 

Look, we're gonna get one. It's gonna be completely redone. And it's gonna be great. But there won't be any FireWire ports, there won't be any optical drives, and there could very well be no internal PCIe expansion. Just a single, double-wide 16x PCIe 3.0 slot for the graphics card. But it will be great.

 

75% of the existing Mac Pro userbase will whine about it, saying it's the end. The other quarter will immediately buy it and instantly be on the forefront of professional computing across any platform. Half of the 75% will eventually buy it once they see reviews and how well it works where it does, since no other computers from anyone else will be close. A quarter of the 75% will keep their current Mac Pro until it dies, all the while whining on forums about how they refuse to change and how Apple needs to meet their archaic needs. The final quarter will immediately move away from Apple entirely, and half of them will regret it once they see reviews and how poorly the crap from everyone else works.

 

That's a lot of fractions. lol.gif

 

I'll put it clearer just in case it wasn't understood:

 

1- New Mac Pro with cube form factor

2- New Mac Pro with cube form factor

3- New Mac Pro with cube form factor

 
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Ours, since that's the price needed for Apple to have its margins.

 

It's also why I don't figure this is ever happening.

ever compare the cheapest iPhone in price with the cheapest Android . Off contract of course. Listen up - there are 30M millionaires in the US, and you don't have to be a millionaire to afford 1-2K, if that were so capitalism would collapse. There is plenty of market in the US and around the world. 

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Hasn't this television been predicted each year for the past 5 years?

I've found references at least as far back as 2008, so 5 years is probably about right.

The interesting thing is that Munster is the one who keeps bringing up the Apple television. He did it in 2009, 2011, and now 2012:
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My feeling is it will be a full-fledged TV...super thin, elegant, app store, etc. I think when stevo said he "cracked" TV, he was alluding to Siri. Instead of inelegant remote control with 87 buttons on it, it would be more like, "Siri, let's here the 'Newshour'" or, "Siri, play 'Prometheus.'"

I agree with the poster above. Apple wants to control the living room...and having a huge Apple TV, (read, Apple monolith) in your living room would be a lot more of a splash than a little black box.

Best.

Yes, I think Siri could significantly change TV. The technical problems seem especially challenging, though. Background noise would be a major problem since you're sitting 10 feet or so from the TV and there are other sounds (including the TV itself, of course). While it might not be too difficult to filter out the TV's sound, you'd need a good microphone and great noise filtering software.

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ever compare the cheapest iPhone in price with the cheapest Android . Off contract of course. Listen up - there are 30M millionaires in the US, and you don't have to be a millionaire to afford 1-2K, if that were so capitalism would collapse. There is plenty of market in the US and around the world. 

That's exactly what many people fail to understand. Apple doesn't need to make cheap devices. The market for premium devices is huge.

Getting into cheaper devices would, of course, expand the market, but would reduce margins and profitability. It would damage the brand, possibly costing them some of the premium sales. And they'd have to cut corners in some places and offer products that are not as great as their existing products.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post
1) No one buys small TVs anymore

2) Even if they wanted such a thing, they'd probably use a computer instead of buying a TV

3) Only fools watch TV in bed (it's actually a very small section of the market)

4) It's not just about "thin and elegant" it's about "simple" (which almost no TVs are at the moment). 

 

1) Lies

2) Lies

3) Lies

4) Doesn't have to be the TV that does it.


Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
Actually, Tesla uses Android…

 

And that bothers me to no end.


Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post
For some people, and for some movies, yes.

 

Until I don't have to wear glasses to view the content, it will be useless. 


Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
Yeah, because don't you just know Jony Ive just LOVES his dangly boxes and Samsung TV setup.

 

He released the Apple TV. I have physical proof that your sarcasm is meaningless.


You shouldn't need multiple devices.

 

You don't. You need a TV and one device. The Apple TV. Period. Swap out the stupid screen any time you want. Want it bigger, get it bigger. Want it in LCD or plasma? Get it in LCD or plasma. Get it in OLED, even. But your UI and ecosystem remains the same. Not that hard to get.

 

People should be able to pop the TV out of the box, enter their Apple ID and be off to the races. Boom!

 

Sounds exactly like the experience of anyone who has ever owned an Apple TV already.


The writing is on the wall, it's only a matter of time, they're going to make a TV not for rumors, but because that market is ripe for genuine revolution…

 

It is, absolutely. But not from a stupid, marginless panel.


Sooner I later you'll have to open your eyes to all of this.

 

Heard that about the iPhone nano and the xMac, too.


Seems that the things that "Apple has to do" are the things that it should be avoiding the most.

 

Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post
"TV turn on"

"TV what's on tonight?"

"TV change to Channel x"

"TV switch to Blu-ray"

"TV record xxx while I'm out"

"TV turn off"

 

"Sorry, I can't hear you over the content. Because TV has sound, too."


Originally Posted by Prima Kingu View Post
…so what could be the iPad Mini Retina's resolution

 

2048x1536. They aren't going to magically change the ratio.


Originally Posted by herbapou View Post
1. Apple need to break its predictable product launch patterns.

2. The Big, the Small and the Ugly: 4.5"+ iPhone 6, 4" iPhone 6 and a low cost emerging markets iOS phone.

3. Much lighter regular ipad, retina ipad mini at 329$ and non retina iPad mini at 249$ or even 199$.

4. 799 and 999 macbook airs.

5. Apple TV set and cable box with full cable partnership.

 

1. Really? When's the new Mac Pro coming out? How about the new iPhone? The new iPad? CHECK.

2. They already have that without silly sizes. CHECK.

3. I can't understand why anyone would want a non-retina device of anything, but this is obviously going to happen. WILLCHECK.

4. They don't need to.

5. Sure hope so.


Originally Posted by hmm View Post
I disagree with your analogy on keeping things until they die, or at least the reasoning. If their needs aren't really growing, it doesn't matter, and they were unlikely candidates for a new purchase. 

 

What do you mean, "unlikely candidates"? They WERE going to buy what is new if it was exactly the same, it wasn't, and so they didn't. That's how the pro world operates: Whine about everything that changes in the slightest from what they already know. Or at least it's what they'd have you believe. Which is why it's only a fraction of my projection.


Originally Posted by asdasd View Post
ever compare the cheapest iPhone in price with the cheapest Android . Off contract of course. Listen up - there are 30M millionaires in the US, and you don't have to be a millionaire to afford 1-2K, if that were so capitalism would collapse. There is plenty of market in the US and around the world. 

 

I don't get it; what's your point? As many people can afford a forced-data iPhone plan as cannot. The phone is meaningless.

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The move to 16:9 aspect ratios in the iPhone 5 and iPod Touch is something I hope does not happen with the iPad. 16:9 may be fine for video but it is really lacking with almost ever other use. It's as though they want us to read books on legal paper. The 4:3 aspect ratio of the iPads give you more useable space and can be used in both portrait and landscape modes in a reasonable way. Unfortunately almost every tablet has gone 16:9. It's really a step backwards.

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I said iPhone and iPad mini not iphone and iPod touch. And I said design, not aspect ratio. And I agree with everything else you said. 1smile.gif

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What do you mean, "unlikely candidates"? They WERE going to buy what is new if it was exactly the same, it wasn't, and so they didn't. That's how the pro world operates: Whine about everything that changes in the slightest from what they already know. Or at least it's what they'd have you believe. Which is why it's only a fraction of my projection.

People say a lot of things. It doesn't mean they'll actually buy it. They just think they will buy it. If they absolutely needed a new machine, they would have bought one when it became clear that Apple would not update the line for a while.

 

I see it as coming down to growth. If they're looking to leverage desktop users from older mac pros or windows users, the important parts are modernized storage, OpenCL/CUDA options, and cpu options. I think ignoring good gpu choices alone would be enough to kill any future viability for the platform. Thunderbolt wouldn't be a bad thing, but it's hardly necessary here. If they had a better way to route it than embedded graphics, that would work. I don't see embedded graphics as a good mac pro solution, as you can't really push them any higher than the latest imac. I don't think embedded solutions really exist with the 200W cards Apple has been using, and doing anything involving a lot of custom engineering seems out of focus for one of their lowest volume product lines. What do you think would attract people to an update at this point?

 

Marvin showed me this link a few days ago. While you can see the option without CUDA support took way longer than any of the others, this is partially because it's not well optimized to run on the cpu. The huge point of performance growth in a lot of these areas is pushing gpu based solutions. Now if you look at the smaller bars in context with each other, you still have an incredible difference between the 650m and the GTX580. One of the remaining issues is memory. Unless you have a Tesla in there, there's a large range of problems that aren't solvable in this manner. That won't change by next year, but it's an important factor for the health of the platform if it relies on being a workstation, given that this would be a strong use case. Some of the benchmarking tests run on anything, but if you're talking about multiple 4k seamless texture maps to a variety of attributes, you can just hose the available ram on these lighter video cards. I mention this because CUDA and OpenCL represent the best cost to performance ratio at the moment when it comes to computing gains if they can be leveraged.

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You know what? Whatever. They want to build things based on rumors and what people tell them they want, it's their funeral.

 

Hey, Apple is releasing an xMac, too.

Hey, Apple is building a car. 

Hey, Apple is making an iPhone nano.

 

Boom. There goes the company.

Some sort of desktop Mac positioned between the iMac and the Mac Pro is the only product I want from Apple. I do not want an all in one but I don't need the overkill of the Mac Pro. Apple has nothing for the user that needs more than the mobile components mini and the Mac Pro.

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MacBook Air with retina display and 756 gb hard drive? I can't wait! Then again, MacBook Pro with the option for more ram would also do the trick.
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I agree but how does one monetize content management?

 

You monetize content management by selling Apple HDTVs used to manage content.

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I understand why Apple has the Apple TV- and I love my ATV.
The margins are small on hardware I'm sure- this is a simple intro to get iTunes easier and promote other product with functionality.
It's 8gb. Introduce apps, give us 16gb, and charge more. More margins on hardware to offset some of the apps that will canabalize itunes, but most of the Same other benefits. But at what price- $149, $199? Because I'm telling you now-- I find it highly, highly unlikely we get 16gb (which you'd need), apps, an A6 single core, and it stay at $99...

As I have said on another post it will probably be up to $150, but that would mean it to be a iPod without a screen and battery, with other ports, were also talking about $50 less to build the iPod touch 4 with they could do A5X dual core(graphics better for a tv). Plus minor improvement in speed. Cheaper materials and no need for as small so let's see here.

$70 off a Apple TV vs a iPod touch 4, Ot would estimate $30 more but in a year that could half.
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I have the mini(32 gig wifi only) and I love it. But when that beast goes HD I'm selling it. The retina display mini will be a phenom!!!
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Is it just me that at first glance at this article you thought "Apple to release Triple Core TV". Hah.
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MacBook Air with retina display and 756 gb hard drive? I can't wait! Then again, MacBook Pro with the option for more ram would also do the trick.

But the MacBook Air design was supposed to be "the future". It is the most, absolutely most, beautiful laptop design in the world, ever. To me, and I'm sure to many. The MacBook Pro Retinas seem a little... compromised. Their hardware and screens are off-the-charts amazing, but imagine that in the MacBook Air form factor... need not be as thin, but that sliver/wedge/triangle style... Absolutely perfect.

The MacBook Pro 15" Retina should have been more of a MacBook Air 15". In fact, the Airs should have replaced most of the MacBook Pro models this year, or at least the MacBook Pros should have become very, very much more Air-shaped.
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But the MacBook Air design was supposed to be "the future".

 

That is taking a figurative statement out of context.

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Take the design direction of the latest iMac, thinned down to a few millimeters at the edges… remove the computer components warranting the extra depth in the back and the frontside 'chin' (which is also missing from the Apple Display)…  What we end up with is a 16:9, millimeters-thick 'slab', 42" ~ 60" in size. That's what I imagine an Apple iScreen (or whatever they call their television) will look like.

 

Rather like a giant 'widescreen' iPad on a stand. Or wall mounted.

 

Probably the biggest challenge will be keeping the frame strong enough, but the lamination technique used for the new iMac display apparently adds quite a bit of tensile strength to the structure...

 

ThIs assumes there will be a television at all. I'm still not 100% convinced… only, 90%-ish...

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Take the design direction of the latest iMac, thinned down to a few millimeters at the edges… remove the computer components warranting the extra depth in the back and the frontside 'chin' (which is also missing from the Apple Display)…  What we end up with is a 16:9, millimeters-thick 'slab', 42" ~ 60" in size. That's what I imagine an Apple iScreen (or whatever they call their television) will look like.

 

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Most digital television sets, including all smart TVs, are dedicated all-in-one computers with integrated tuners. Several manufacturers, including Sony and Samsung, base their sets on embedded versions of Linux. [The GPL license is included in the owners documents.] Apple will not use Linux because its iOS is Unix behind the scenes. If Apple introduces its own HDTV, then you can expect it to be an enhanced AppleTV with integrated display. The extent to which it is enhanced is the subject of some speculation. In the USA, the Apple HDTV will include a ClearQAM, and [legally required] ATSC tuners. Because so many cable providers and many power-power broadcasters transmit analog signals, there is a small demand for NTSC for the foreseeable future. It is anyone's guess whether the Apple HDTV will include an NTSC tuner. Each international model will be localized to conform with the national laws of the country in which it is sold.

 

As for physical dimensions, we can expect each Apple HDTV to be comparable in size but slightly thinner than smart TVs of comparable screen size for other manufacturers. There is no reason to even think of the iMac because [most] Apple HDTVs will have substantially larger displays. 

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There's already a network app called Hulu. Why would I pay $.99 a show when for $7.99 a month I can watch shows from ABC/NBC/Fox and a multitude of other networks?

 

No ads?

 

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The three most needed core product launches:

Most needed by whom? You? The 0.001%?

Like it or not but Apple isn't focused on you anymore. They haven't been since they took Shake off the market. Hell they basically said that the Pro market was no longer their major concern when they did that. It's consumer/prosumer as that is where the money is. If the Pros can find use for their stuff, great. If not, oh well. Even when this hinted Mac Pro comes out, you and yours will likely hate it anyway because it won't have some nifty processor that just it the market, won't be upgradable enough, blah blah. So why don't you just go buy that Windows/Linux box you keep threatening to buy and stop off topic trolling with your Mac Pro whining
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Slightly related, I noticed Sears has a 50" LCD HDTV from LG on Black Friday for, get this: $299!! How low will decent to good quality 42"+ HDTV's  be by next year? How Apple would expect to grab any significant market share for a $2000 TV is questionable IMHO.

You assume that that is the game plan. You, and Munster etc, could be way off. Assuming that Apple is working on an All in One Monitor/Apple TV set up perhaps the reason this has been vaporware for the past 3+ years is that they are waiting for the component prices to come down enough that they can build what they want at the size and quality they want and keep it at no more the $999 of the current Cinema Display. 

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There's already a network app called Hulu. Why would I pay $.99 a show when for $7.99 a month I can watch shows from ABC/NBC/Fox and a multitude of other networks?

 

$7.99 a month with ads, dependent on having a network connection and Hulu drops episodes and shows based on contracts all the time. 

 

But you do raise a good point. Pricing in iTunes (as well as quality and timing of releases) could use a vast improvement. Especially the whole season pass thing. It's absurd that a 'half hour' sitcom costs the same as an 'hour long' drama or that any of them are as much as $5 an episode. Even the standard $2.99 of the broadcast realm is too much. And the $1 off season passes is a huge no way.

 

I noticed that the CW did something wacky, probably as a test. They released their Beauty and the Beast remake show for a season pass of $10 right off the top of the season. I wouldn't be shocked if they did that to entice viewers to buy it to see how many folks get the show that way (they can likely see download numbers week over week) to supplement the standard ratings from Nielsen. If I'm right that is an awesome move. Nielsen counts a tiny fraction of folks so they could see some interesting numbers and the price is totally in line with what folks, especially the 18-25 crew that the CW skews to, would pay for a show. If it makes it all 22 eps it will be a huge bargain. I'd say even double that is a more reasonable price for a 22-26 ep season. but not any higher. If this goes well the CW could try this with other shows and it might spread to other networks. 

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Are people going to line up with their 50" TVs to use the genius bar?

 

Nope. Because Apple does have in home options. Even for their iMacs. It's dependent on there being a 3rd party shop in your area that does in home but if there is then Apple Care has the option to arrange for that company to come to you if your product is still under warranty/Apple Care. They would use that for the TVs if such a product exists. 

 

And even if someone did bring in their TV to the genius bar they would treat it like they treat the current products. Check it in for overnight testing. Replace faulty hardware components, restore the software if that is the issue. It's really not a huge deal. 

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Yep.  I love my Apple TV but they're behind on content thus far because developers haven't had access.  Roku has done quite well on this.

 

 

 

I wouldn't be so sure it's the developers that are the issue. It's also possible that it's contractual. Apple might be more than willing to put HBOGO on the Apple TV but they might be demanding that users be allowed to subscribe directly and not have it tied to having cable service from a select list of companies, same as the other paid services on the ATV. Time Warner might be saying no way to that. Thus no HBOGO. 

 

And remember that any app can be on the Apple TV via Airplay, which isn't an issue for the vast number of apps since they are games and you'd need a controller anyway (which would be your iphone, ipad etc). The only apps that would be potentially useful in an independent sense are media playing apps like HBOGO, Pandora etc which are all tied to contracts. 

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Price will stay $99 entry.
 

 

I wouldn't count on that. If they expanded the on board memory for more caching of rentals etc to say 64GB, added more HDMI and even coaxial for plugging in BluRay players and cable boxes for some new controller API, added bluetooth for using those clone "Nintendo" controllers then I could see the price going up to $149, even $199. But not likely more than that. 

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Apple TV is not simple either. You have to use the TV remote and change the external input selection, then turn on Home Sharing on your computer or type in your Apple ID and password which are usually long and complicated using a horribly awkward interface or type in your Netflix username and password. I often make a mistake entering the text and have to start over again. Then, far too often it fails to remember your account settings or loses connection with iTunes requiring you start troubleshooting and reboot each device, rinse and repeat. It sometimes takes literally 10-15 minutes to get the thing up and running.

 

You might want to restore your Apple TV cause I know dozens of folks with an ATV and they put in that info once and haven't again since they bought it. 

 

You are correct about the TV remote issue, which is why I wonder if perhaps Apple might be working on some kind of API for controlling outside devices via the ATV. Rather like how many video cameras can be controlled during importing from inside iMovie and Final Cut. Then you could just grab that old ipad you are using as a remote, fire up the remote app, turn on the tv etc and have at it. Even being able to type when needed via the soft keyboard instead of that annoying click wheel in the silver remote. 

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My guess is that 3d will always be a gimmick. 

 

In live action I agree. Outside of heavy CGI things like Avatar which were filmed from the start for 3D it is just a gimmick. 

 

But in that CGI and in Annies, if it is used right it can be very good. The trick is to be subtle and use it mostly for adding inner depth, not doing cute stunts (although the post credit stuff in Despicable Me still cracks me up). 

 

And I amstrongly for passive 3D not active. Those shutter glasses kill my eyes. I get migraines and I know many others that do. It's just not worth it for the gimmicks the movies tend to have. In my opinion, The Avengers showed that passive 3D is fine for a live action movie. I could even see Apple eventually trying to get some of the 3D annies etc into the store via their connections to Disney. It might be technologically possible now that we are moving into h.265. And if they let folks pay up via an iTunes Plus kind of deal to add the 3d to previous HD purchases, folks could bite. Might be an interesting experiment. I am loathe to pay $30 for a movie on iTunes right now but if it was that price to get access to the SD, 720p, (slightly higher quality) 1080 and 1080 3D I might go enticed. 


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Hilarious. He actually forgot the launch of the new Mac Pro, the only core product launch that is actually confirmed.

 

He didn't. Munster is focused on Apple making scads of money and thus raising their stock value. The Mac Pro will not sell the units needed to fall into that focus. Thus he isn't talking about it. 

 

I would be careful about saying that the Mac Pro is 'confirmed'. Tim's letter and phrasing were just vague enough that he could be confirming a new Mac Pro or he could be saying they didn't talk about the Mac Pro because it is being nixed but the new thing isn't ready to talk about yet. We could be about to see the end of the Mac Pro as we know it in exchange for a more powerful iMac or even Mac Mini (with lack of user updating). 

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Re Apple TV set. Implement complete voice control (Siri).

"TV turn on"
"TV what's on tonight?"
"TV change to Channel x"
"TV switch to Blu-ray"
"TV record xxx while I'm out"
"TV turn off"

That's the differentiator. Screw a 55" LCD with an iPod Touch as a remote.

Asking it to record an arbitrary program would be its strong suit. For the rest of that, pressing a button would be quicker, though voice control would be a nice fallback.

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I have the Panasonic VT 65" plasma (with stunning 3D).

Once you get used to modern plasma, you can't go back to LCD (or what passes off for LED).

If Apple does not offer at least 65", plasma, and 3D, I'd stick with an @TV driving my Panasonic. (Although, the one slight hitch might be that after its recent, gargantuan loss, Panasonic may not be around all that much longer as a maker of TVs).

Plasma fans don't seem to notice the swimming of static in the image. I don't understand that.

It's also unfortunate the best home 3D requires the bulkier glasses.
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Asking it to record an arbitrary program would be its strong suit. For the rest of that, pressing a button would be quicker, though voice control would be a nice fallback.
Plasma fans don't seem to notice the swimming of static in the image. I don't understand that.
It's also unfortunate the best home 3D requires the bulkier glasses.

That swimming static is only visible up close. If the viewer is at the correct distance for the given screen size he/she doesn't see it.
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You know what? Whatever. They want to build things based on rumors and what people tell them they want, it's their funeral.

 

Hey, Apple is releasing an xMac, too.

Hey, Apple is building a car. 

Hey, Apple is making an iPhone nano.

 

Boom. There goes the company.


The one change I believe Apple need to be prepared for is a change of form factor for the iPad. Nothing terribly radical, but an enclosure adapted for use with a keyboard. A bit over a year ago Asus came out with a tablet with an optional keyboard that had a cradle to hold the tablet. The form factor was very interesting. M$'s surface is a variation on this. Neither system IMO is anything near being a substantial competitor for the iPad, but sooner or later they may become one. Apple would be well served in my view to come out with their own integrated (removable) keyboard that maintains the slim profile of the iPad. I am aware that there are third party adaptations which succeed in varying degrees, but I think Apple could do better. There are times when a keyboard is necessary.

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The one change I believe Apple need to be prepared for is a change of form factor for the iPad. Nothing terribly radical, but an enclosure adapted for use with a keyboard.

 

That's what external cases are for. You want a laptop, buy a laptop.

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That's what external cases are for. You want a laptop, buy a laptop.


No! This is a "both" option. You can buy the table by itself and, if you so desire, you can buy the keyboard that integrates with it, but is removable for those occasions when you don't need it. Take a look at the Asus and you will see that it is not a laptop at all and it is much more elegant than any of the "cases" for the iPad I have seen.

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Tallest Skil was absolutely correct. "If you want a laptop, then you should buy a laptop." You may be salivating for the Microsoft Surface with their flipping/folding covers that convert the tablet into a laptop or the new Windows 8 laptops with the rotating display panel that converts them into incredibly thick tablets. Check back in 6 months. They will make Windows Me look like a roaring success.

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…the new Windows 8 laptops with the rotating display panel that converts them into incredibly thick tablets.

 

Ooh! I saw a full-page ad for one of those in a magazine! "How horrid," I thought to myself, "they didn't learn from the last set of these in 2004?"

 

I mean REALLY. NO ONE wanted to use it then, no one will use it now. Quit shoving this filth down our throats and actually come up with something that people would want for once in your miserable existences. 

 

1000

 

Hey, here it is! I imagine one side carries power to the screen and the other side carries data. How long before both of them just BREAK right off, would you guess? lol.gif

 

Or you read on a forum "I thought it was a tablet, so I snapped it out. Now the screen part doesn't work and the laptop part doesn't work. And Dell won't give me a new one for free! This is so unfair. I deserve a new one."

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This is the current version of the Asus Tablet to which I referred. It uses a Tegra SoC and runs on Android, not Win 8 or such. You will note that the hinge assembly of the keyboard serves as a docking station. I spoke with the person who had it at some length and it had a number of shortcomings, such as poor battery life and nothing like the number of apps available for the iPad. The form factor, however was good. It was, IMO, much more elegant than any of the (third party) iPad keyboard solutions I have seen. These affairs come off as "second best" whether there really is an available product that is better or not.

 

This is a tablet, not a laptop. There are a lot of people dragging around all manner of make to keyboard solutions for the iPad. Apple could be selling their own keyboard and making money on it. Even if there were not direct electrical connection between the keyboard and the iPad, this solution would be entirely workable with a Bluetooth connection as is the case with most of the current offerings. One difference that is apparent between the Android and iOS systems is the provision for a touchpad which, of course would not work with the current renditions of iOS...which is no big deal,  but the keyboard is.

 

When the one I saw was closed, it looked a lot like the old Titanium MBP, except very, very thin.

 

If you will read my original post, I commented only about the form factor, explicitly stating that I did not view this to be an effective competitor for the iPad, but that, sooner or later (most likely later), there will probably be someone who comes up with a reasonable competitor for the iPad.

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Apple could be selling their own keyboard and making money on it.

 

They are. It's called the Apple Bluetooth Keyboard. You can even get cases that have slots for both the iPad and the Apple Bluetooth Keyboard, and there are plenty of cases that have their own Bluetooth keyboards built in. 

 

But if you're doing this, you want a laptop. Your computing needs are basically suffering an identity crisis. This is to be expected, obviously, during this transition phase. Nothing wrong with it other than when people don't acknowledge that this is what is happening to them.

 

By the end of the decade, laptops will basically be phased out, and only bargain bin manufacturers (like Dell or HP, if they're even still making computers at all by then) would be making laptops.

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If those things weren't so sad, then they would be funny.

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He released the Apple TV. I have physical proof that your sarcasm is meaningless.
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You don't. You need a TV and one device. The Apple TV. Period. Swap out the stupid screen any time you want.

That's already two devices, I don't like that right off the bat. And right now you need a third device if you want to game on your TV. And throw in a universal remote to get it all working right, and that's after you set the whole thing up. You, meaning Joe.

I'm the type of guy where my ideal would be an Apple branded TV I can take out of the box, put in the living room, plug it in, enter my wireless network password, followed by my Apple ID and everything is set up and ready to go. One remote!

Followed by a bonfire in the garden for all the other crap it takes the place of.

Even with the set up you're on about you've two remotes. Right away that's a bad experience.

One of these days, if they can somehow manage to get the TV show content, via a subscription package, they'll be able to sell an Apple caliber AIO TV at a decent price, and people will buy it. It's that simple. I expect than they'll likely continue to sell the Apple TV box, but when the TV is release it'll be the only device that gets an App Store. My wish on the gaming front for iTV, is an optional hardware controller with real, physical buttons - which you can add on at checkout. Are you a gamer? Then add on a controller, or two, or three.
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