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That's pretty much damned near everyone.... But you. And I sincerely doubt when Apple finally decides to add it that it'll be pay.
And yes, before anyone mentions it could be HBO holding it up- Apple is the hold up. Unless someone has information that HBO hates Apple but loves Microsoft, roku, boxee, and every single other set top box.

Obviously they don't because one can get HBO GO on their iPhone/iPod/iPad, and the iPad is shown on it's commercials.
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How do I fix Mountain Lions long boot times?

 

Fusion drive.

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post #43 of 60
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That's one way to fix Windows' long boot times, just leave it on constantly.

My parents do that. I wish I could get them to stop.

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How do I fix Mountain Lions long boot times?

Is this sarcastic? ML doesn't seem to take noticeably longer time than previous releases. An SSD can easily cut the time down to a third. I went from about 60 seconds to maybe 15-20 seconds.
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It gets hot rendering game graphics, I'm sure power usage goes way down when streaming video.

 

 

Again true (I just checked as I am streaming an video from my Mac to the X-Box now). Still quite warm though. :o)

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All very wise, except for Siri. Are there not enough drunk guys yelling at their TV already?
 

 

 

LOL. Yes, but Siri could single handedly reinvigorate the TV market as drunk guys throw crap at the TV because she is being a smart ass. 

 

Voice recognition on the X-Box using Kinnect isn't that good. Truth be told, compared to Google's new voice recognition on the iPhone, Siri needs some work. Google's voice recognition goes to work immediately and you get the answer much quicker then Siri. Siri of course is integrated much tighter with the OS. 

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That would solve Windows 8's problem with being too stupid to remember that I have the WDDM 1.1 driver installed, kicking my screen back to 640x480 every time I boot into it.

 

Power draw, noise, 60% hardware failure rate…

 

What long boot times?

 

The first part is incorrect, the second part is completely irrelevant except to the Anti-Apple Brigade who has to pat themselves on the back any way they can to feel special.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3774/welcome-to-valhalla-inside-the-new-250gb-xbox-360-slim/3

 

XBox slim: Less than half the noise of the original XBox and less than half the power cosumption.  A measured 87W watts to play Halo 3.  Pretty good value cost wise, I'd say.  The failure rate is around 10-15 %.

 

I still have one of the ultra noisy, power hungry Xbox 360s from 2007.  The failure rate was terrible.  It failed within 12 months, was repaired under warranty, Microsoft then extended the warranty and it failed again, 12 months later.  Microsoft again fixed it under warranty and it has been working fine since that last repair in 2009.

 

Now this might sound odd, but my 'customer experience' with Microsoft's handling of these issues has been every bit as good as my experience with Apple's customer experience, if not superior.  I find it surprising to say this as I am not a Microsoft fan, but it is the truth.

 

What matters to me is that I have not had to pay a cent more than the original purchase price of the XBox and have had a good five years use out of it.

 

Microsoft's handling of the situation with the design defects was exemplary, and superior to my corresponding experience with Apples handling of design defects in their products.

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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

XBox slim: Less than half the noise of the original XBox and less than half the power cosumption.

 

Same hardware as six years ago. Call me when they actually release a new console. lol.gif Same with Sony. Why they think people will still want to be playing a PS3 in 2017, I'll never know.

 

And yeah, I know we're talking about it in the home media center sense, but buying an Xbox without the intention of playing games on it is, in my mind, incredibly silly. Particularly when you'd be consciously choosing to contend with its interface.

 

The failure rate is around 10-15 %.

 

The failure rate was terrible.

 

Wait, wait… was terrible?!

 

You must be too accustomed to Microsoft's legendary quality to notice how bad this is. 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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Microsoft should be spending a lot of time figuring out how to use the X-Box to sell its other products. 

It has limited scope because XBox represents gaming. If you attach it to things that don't represent gaming like a media center, the XBox brand can start to get a bad association. At least a confusing one, even if it does allow you to play casual games.

It sorta works for these products though:

- Xbox TV = casual games + movies
- Xbox Surface = casual to mid-resource games + tablet/touch
- Xbox = full on gaming with Kinect

I personally think the full Xbox is becoming a bit redundant. I think they should stop at the tablet. $299 8" tablet sold at a profit, very fast GPU, maybe a larger one that is the same speed. I think they should slim down the controller too like so:



Clickable capacitive glass pads vs analog sticks, d-pad and buttons around the pads with colours no letters rather than the other way round, micro-USB connector, Li-Ion battery - very thin, around the width of the top shoulder buttons so it's portable. Works with both Surface and TV box although I'd say the TV box should basically be a Kinect with an Apple TV inside so the controller is optional and obviously the Surface has touch input that can mirror the controller layout.

The Surface would be around the same performance as a current Xbox and the TV about half. All profit-making hardware that can be updated regularly.

XBox Surface beats the Wii U because it can operate as a tablet and has better games.
The PS4 won't be out for a while and the value isn't there in a big console any more.



Next-gen games will use all the power they can get but if they bring out new hardware every year, developers just have to scale the graphics down for older models.
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And yeah, I know we're talking about it in the home media center sense, but buying an Xbox without the intention of playing games on it is, in my mind, incredibly silly. Particularly when you'd be consciously choosing to contend with its interface. 

 

 

I hate Windows, but Microsoft has done a good job with the X-Box interface. I think with the last overall of the Apple TV interface, Apple took a step backwards. With that said, I agree the X-Box would be an expensive investment just for media consumption. I got mine as a gift, and that is pretty much all I use it for. I still pull out Splinter Cell occasionally. 

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Some good points. I like the ideas for the controller. Integrating the surface into the X-Box experience is a no brainer.

 

Microsoft should have ditched the name Windows for its Touch based OS all together. I think Surface would have been a decent name to call its Touch based OS. Calling it Windows stinks. Even Metro was good. The name Windows doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings. 

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Obviously they don't because one can get HBO GO on their iPhone/iPod/iPad, and the iPad is shown on it's commercials.

The iPad is different than Apple TV. In fact, Apple blocks certain apps- HBO go, Showtime, amazon instant video, etc from AirPlay working on Apple TV. While other apps they allow it. It's an apple thing... I understand why- it competes with iTunes. But amazon isn't any different than Netflix and HBO go is such a small select group... They're just being sticklers.
Again- it's on every single other streaming box- except ATV. You do the math.

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That's one way to fix Windows' long boot times, just leave it on constantly.

How do I fix Mountain Lions long boot times?

With Windows, I wouldn't want to reboot and risk that it doesn't boot anymore. With OSX, what long boot times? Even if so, get a SSD.
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It won't matter since Apple will come out with their own HDTV next year with Apple TV box built into it.

Wait, there's another company named Apple?
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Apple should put a bunch of HDMI ports, USB ports and more onto it so it will be the one HDTV to rule them all.
You really don't know Apple. They don't do 'a bunch of ports'
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That would solve Windows 8's problem with being too stupid to remember that I have the WDDM 1.1 driver installed, kicking my screen back to 640x480 every time I boot into it.

WOW. Just WOW. Hey, that could work as their new name; WaitingOnWindows
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Windows 8 boots ups faster than OSX which is used only by a small number of computers.

The first part is incorrect, the second part is completely irrelevant except to the Anti-Apple Brigade who has to pat themselves on the back any way they can to feel special.

After reading "used only by a small number of computers" I thought 'which' referred to Windows
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With Windows, I wouldn't want to reboot and risk that it doesn't boot anymore. With OSX, what long boot times? Even if so, get a SSD.

1998 called, they want their excuses back
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With Windows, I wouldn't want to reboot and risk that it doesn't boot anymore. With OSX, what long boot times? Even if so, get a SSD.

1998 called, they want their excuses back

You've said it! There is no excuse to be weary of such a simple thing as a reboot; yet some dread to do it because they had a bad experience. Even from before 1998, I believe.
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You've said it! There is no excuse to be weary of such a simple thing as a reboot; yet some dread to do it because they had a bad experience. Even from before 1998, I believe.

Yes, how very true. I am scared about purchasing another Apple product as I have had an iMac and MacBook both fail requiring system board, and RAM replacements, then I had to deal with Apples terrible non US support. I don't want that experience again.
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Get a SSD drive. :O)

I just installed one on my late model 2009 aluminum Macbook running Mountain Lion. It boots in about 20 seconds. The Macbook is much faster than when I bought it. 
That's still around double the time Win8 takes to boot with a SSD.

My 4 year old iMac boots Win8 on boot camp in 15-20 seconds. Mountain lion is closer to a minute. People can critisize Win8 in many ways, a lot of it is just opinion, but it has to be said the boot times are impressive on any level.
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When I read the phrases: "may compete", "will run", and (most iportantly) "hardware specs not fully locked down", it leads me to belive majorcrap has nothing tangible. They just want to have their name in print and lead folks to beleive they "have something". Sounds like another Zune in the making...

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That's still around double the time Win8 takes to boot with a SSD.
My 4 year old iMac boots Win8 on boot camp in 15-20 seconds. Mountain lion is closer to a minute. People can critisize Win8 in many ways, a lot of it is just opinion, but it has to be said the boot times are impressive on any level.

I guess those figures are about right. With MacOS on a desktop, I don't think booting is as necessary if sleep will do the task. I checked my iMac, sleep takes power consumption down to 2 watts and wakes up in a couple seconds.
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Yes, how very true. I am scared about purchasing another Apple product as I have had an iMac and MacBook both fail requiring system board, and RAM replacements, then I had to deal with Apples terrible non US support. I don't want that experience again.

So I take it you are not using any Apple product since a purchase is already scaring you. But at the same time not scared to read all the positive stories Apple users are sharing here?
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So I take it you are not using any Apple product since a purchase is already scaring you. But at the same time not scared to read all the positive stories Apple users are sharing here?

I didn't say that, using your logic, if you have a bad experience you would be weary of repeating it, so I said I was weary of purchasing "another" Apple product, I didn't say I have stopped using my current ones.

And I don't read "all" the stories on this site, some of the authors take fiction to a whole new level.
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