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In a court filing on Friday, Apple asked a federal judge to add six Samsung products, including the Galaxy S III running Android 4.1, to an upcoming infringement lawsuit, with each party asserting a number of utility patents against the other.

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Samsung's Galaxy S III mini has been added to Apple's suit. | Source: Samsung


The new claims come just days after Samsung filed a motion to augment its counterclaims by adding the iPad mini and fourth generation iPad to the case, both of which were not released when the case was originally filed in February.

If approved by U.S. Magistrate Judge Paul S. Grewal, Apple's latest assertions will bring the South Korean company's Galaxy Note II, Galaxy S III with Android 4.1, Galaxy S III mini, Rugby Pro, Galaxy Tab 8.9 Wi-Fi and Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 into the case scheduled for 2014. Apple noted that the Galaxy S III mini has not yet been officially introduced in the U.S., but the device is available through various retailers.

Earlier in November, Judge Grewal allowed Apple's motion to add the Galaxy S III to the suit, however Samsung has since updated the phone's Google Android operating system to 4.1 Jelly Bean, a version of which is now being claimed as infringing on the Cupertino tech giant's intellectual property. Samsung's version of Android 4.1 Jelly Bean is already part of the case as it pertains to the Galaxy Nexus.

As for Samsung's claims, the company recently added Apple's flagship iPhone 5, asserting infringement of certain UMTS wireless patents, after promising to do so in September.

The case is being heard by the same California court as the landmark Apple v. Samsung patent trial that resulted in a $1.05 billion verdict against Samsung in August.

There will likely be further device additions for both parties as fact discovery is scheduled to run through July 8, 2013, ahead of a trial currently set for March 31, 2014.

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When are these two children going to grow up? I'm so sick of hearing about Apple and Samsung and lawsuits. This is getting beyond ridiculous now.
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You know how you have a front page and a back page? Could you please instead have a tech page and a legal page.

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The next disputed item will be probably the kitchen sink (it has rounded corners), rolls eyes 1rolleyes.gif
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When are these two children going to grow up? I'm so sick of hearing about Apple and Samsung and lawsuits. This is getting beyond ridiculous now.

 

Apple is hoping for some justice. Do you know that in programming/engineering, once the product, output or just an idea is out any TYPICAL programmers that have sufficient skills even WITHOUT much TALENT/CREATIVITY can copy it? That’s why I support patents.

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When are these two children going to grow up? I'm so sick of hearing about Apple and Samsung and lawsuits. This is getting beyond ridiculous now.
You'll stop hearing about lawsuits when you stop reading blogs

It's not childish to protect ones IP. But what is childish is going to the effort to click into something about a lawsuit just yo gripe about how you dont want to read about them anymore. Just don't read it.

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You'll stop hearing about lawsuits when you stop reading blogs
It's not childish to protect ones IP. But what is childish is going to the effort to click into something about a lawsuit just yo gripe about how you dont want to read about them anymore. Just don't read it.
well I'm sorry but its pretty sad that one has to stop reading blogs or tech sites because they don't want to hear about stupid lawsuits.

I can't wait until the day Apple can be completely rid of Samsung, And I wish HTC or Nokia would step up and provide Samsung some real competition. I know the iHaters love Samsung because they decided to take on Apple, but doesn't it bother them at all that, outside of Apple, Samsung has basically zero competition in the mobile space? Are Samsung phones really that much better than HTC or Nokia phones? Or Motorola for that matter?
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Apple is hoping for some justice. Do you know that in programming/engineering, once the product, output or just an idea is out any TYPICAL programmers that have sufficient skills even WITHOUT much TALENT/CREATIVITY can copy it? That’s why I support patents.
I'm not against patents but this is getting ridiculous now. I mean does either company really think they're going to stop the sales of the other's flagship devices? Also, isn't Samsung suing over FRAND patents? And something Apple shouldn't be responsible for since Qualcomm has already paid the licensing/royalty?
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I see your proposed ban and raise you three more products. 

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well I'm sorry but its pretty sad that one has to stop reading blogs or tech sites because they don't want to hear about stupid lawsuits.
I can't wait until the day Apple can be completely rid of Samsung, And I wish HTC or Nokia would step up and provide Samsung some real competition. I know the iHaters love Samsung because they decided to take on Apple, but doesn't it bother them at all that, outside of Apple, Samsung has basically zero competition in the mobile space? Are Samsung phones really that much better than HTC or Nokia phones? Or Motorola for that matter?

Stop reading blogs related to IP disputes.

That might be one way to stop whining.
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The next disputed item will be probably the kitchen sink (it has rounded corners), rolls eyes 1rolleyes.gif

I have a patent on eye rolling - see you in court.
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Apple is hoping for some justice. Do you know that in programming/engineering, once the product, output or just an idea is out any TYPICAL programmers that have sufficient skills even WITHOUT much TALENT/CREATIVITY can copy it? That’s why I support patents.

While I agree that a decent programmer can materialize an idea.... The last I remember Samsung has not copied any of Apples software it was more on the cosmetics side. Where as Samsung is protecting an actual invention not technological makeup. 

 

However I too am over this rubbish I will but a phone from whom ever meets my needs... for the time being its not Apple however I am always interested in what they do as maybe at some point they are the option for me. I do not believe in locking oneself into any company.

 

PS : As a software engineer myself I borrow ideas and functions all the time from industry related forums and post my own stuff for others to use too. As developer one relies heavily on the knowledge of the broader community to get things done. If everyone kept there ideas and source to themselves we would still be in the computing darkages.

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Stop reading blogs related to IP disputes.
That might be one way to stop whining.
If you don't care for my "whining" you could skp over my post. 1wink.gif
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While I agree that a decent programmer can materialize an idea.... The last I remember Samsung has not copied any of Apples software it was more on the cosmetics side. Where as Samsung is protecting an actual invention not technological makeup. 
If I remember correctly in the lawsuit that Apple won it was the design patents that were thrown out as not infringing (or Apple not sufficiently proving infringement). So no it's not about rounded rectangles, as much as Samsung and the tech press would like everyone to believe.
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When are these two children going to grow up? I'm so sick of hearing about Apple and Samsung and lawsuits. This is getting beyond ridiculous now.

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You know how you have a front page and a back page? Could you please instead have a tech page and a legal page.

It's easy to ignore pages or articles you don't want to read. Just admit that this is feeding your inner need to be critical.e ar

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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

You'll stop hearing about lawsuits when you stop reading blogs
It's not childish to protect ones IP. But what is childish is going to the effort to click into something about a lawsuit just yo gripe about how you dont want to read about them anymore. Just don't read it.

Exactly. Not only are they reading the articles, they go on and on commenting in them.
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Here in US the patent and court system is broken, apple started this crusade against everyone that brings true innovation to the smartphone industry, so I make Apple responsible of the anti-apple trend generated because of this.

The anti Apple band wagon is here before you learn to suck milk and it will still be here you and I are long gone.

 

I agree that it is time to talk about tech and not legal issues of tech. It is tech that makes the world and not these legal issues which are getting boring.

 

But one thing I can say about them they are guranteed hits of those desperate for hits like Forbes, Business Insider but i don't think Appleinsider is one of the,

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well I'm sorry but its pretty sad that one has to stop reading blogs or tech sites because they don't want to hear about stupid lawsuits.

Here's a tip: There are these things called "headlines" that provide a short description of the article. Under that, there's often (always on AI) a longer, but still short, summary of it as well. Read the headline. If you still aren't sure what it's about, read the summary. Then, if it's not something you are interested in reading about, don't click on it and, voilà!, you won't be reading the article. This all works pretty much the way it did in the newspapers of yore. It's really very simple, give it a try.

Although, for someone sick of reading about lawsuits, you certainly seem to have a lot to say about them, or at least the need to say it over and over again. Frankly, the rest of us are sick of hearing you whine about it.
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If you don't care for my "whining" you could skp over my post. 1wink.gif

Probably a good suggestion, but I still don't understand why you spend so much time posting about something you are so sick of.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
When are these two children going to grow up? I'm so sick of hearing about Apple and Samsung and lawsuits. This is getting beyond ridiculous now.

 

I'd say you have some growing up to do first if you 1) don't understand that property deserves protection and 2) don't understand that you don't have to read any of these.


Originally Posted by AlexN View Post
The next disputed item will be probably the kitchen sink (it has rounded corners), rolls eyes 1rolleyes.gif

 

Do you want to keep perpetuating this lie? Really? Think hard now.

 

Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
I mean does either company really think they're going to stop the sales of the other's flagship devices?

 

Yes. Apple probably can. Apple knows its right, whereas Samsung is just, well, copying everything Apple does… by suing back. Regardless of the suit's legality.

 

Originally Posted by Soulbearer View Post
Here in US the patent and court system is broken, apple started this crusade against everyone that brings true innovation to the smartphone industry, so I make Apple responsible of the anti-apple trend generated because of this.

 

Post is deleted, left it here as an example of what never to post. The whole thing is pure FUD, but the bold are examples straight from my List. Hilarious.


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Probably a good suggestion, but I still don't understand why you spend so much time posting about something you are so sick of.

 

His post is no different than those of the Anti-Apple Brigade in this regard, and as such would probably be infraction-worthy under a strict reading of the rules. 

 

Now who's sick of reading about lawsuits? Oh, wait, still him. lol.gif

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If you don't care for my "whining" you could skp over my post. 1wink.gif

Thats the rub. If I see a headline for a subject I'm not interested in I can skip the article and forum thread altogether. But when someone posts in the thread of an article I'm interested in there is no subject line, there is no warning. We get the whining and can't skip over until it's too late.

The only other solution is to put an entire poster on ignore but that would suggesting that nothing they say ever has any merit. I don't think you'd say your posts never have anything to add to the conversation..


edit: Doh! Pipped by anonymouse but I'll leave my comment in to help drive home the point.

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I'd rather that Apple fixes Facetime. This has been plaguing my mom's computer: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3388112?start=165&tstart=0 since FT got out of Beta (Beta worked perfect). Apple's solution is to "upgrade to Mountain Lion", which is out of the question in this case.

 

But obviously, ducking it out in courts with Samsung is a better use of their profits, than fixing bugs for faithful consumers. I guess that Samsung guys are fixing bugs and Apple doesn't know what to do about it (fixing bugs? without pushing some new revolutionary amazing hardware out? what's the point?) and their response is "filing in couts" instead of "dealing with bug repots filed".

 

Yeah, I'm annoyed tonight with Apple.
 

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Post is deleted, (...) the bold are examples straight from my List. Hilarious.

TS, I never noticed that posts saying that the English court/judge were biased/bought/broken were wrong in your opinion... England is a democracy just as the USA are, so why the double standards?

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I'd rather that Apple fixes Facetime. This has been plaguing my mom's computer: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3388112?start=165&tstart=0 since FT got out of Beta (Beta worked perfect). Apple's solution is to "upgrade to Mountain Lion", which is out of the question in this case.

But obviously, ducking it out in courts with Samsung is a better use of their profits, than fixing bugs for faithful consumers. I guess that Samsung guys are fixing bugs and Apple doesn't know what to do about it (fixing bugs? without pushing some new revolutionary amazing hardware out? what's the point?) and their response is "filing in couts" instead of "dealing with bug repots filed".

Yeah, I'm annoyed tonight with Apple.

1) FaceTime on Lion isn't broken. They ending the beta. It's that simple.

2) You honestly think Apple had a meeting saying do we pay to protect our IP from thieves or do we fix bugs in our software? Do you know how crazy that sounds?

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TS, I never noticed that posts saying that the English court/judge were biased/bought/broken were wrong in your opinion... England is a democracy just as the USA are, so why the double standards?

Seriously? You can't see the forest for the trees. There is a major difference between saying you don't like something over the comment that was removed. If you can't see the difference I doubt there is anything I can say that will make you understand.
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I'd rather that Apple fixes Facetime.

You do understand that FaceTime is an engineering concern and not a legal one and their lawyers are not also their engineers. So they can do both things and likely are.

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1) FaceTime on Lion isn't broken. They ending the beta. It's that simple.
2) You honestly think Apple had a meeting saying do we pay to protect our IP from thieves or do we fix bugs in our software? Do you know how crazy that sounds?

1) Who says it's Lion? I'm talking of the last really good OS Apple pushed out, Snow Leopard, not of Apple's Vista.

 

I'm SO HAPPY that it's not broken on Lion, it's fabulous. Who would have expected that Apple's FaceTime would _also_ work on Apple's Lion?

/irony

 

 

Facetime is broken on SL. However, it's SOLD on the AppStore for Snow Leopard and hence it SHOULD work on Snow Leopard.

As far as I'm concerned, unless Apple starts advertising the iPhone, iPad, iPad Mini and all Macs as "With FaceTime, you might be able to talk for a few minutes with some of your family and friends, if our servers are not down and no bugs plague you and everyone has the latest hardware and software", then it's Apple's fault if my Mom cannot use her Snow Leopard iMac with her bought-on-the-AppStore-Facetime.

 

2) Of course that's crazy, it's called "irony". But I really am sad they do not seem to care about users who want to NOT upgrade to a new version of the OS, for whtever reason. One, of course, could be that people don't want to pay extra for having things that should just work, actually work. Another could be that older persons are afraid of having massive changes. Both are very good reasons, and I expect you can respect the fact that people may have other reasons. None of these justify the fact that Apple sells lots of iMacs on a false premise, because they don't care enough for their customers that they would solve a two years old issue. They have enough money to put an engineer on this issue for two years. How come they cannot solve it? remember: the beta worked fine, so then why don't they just push back the beta's code, only for SL users? They're Apple. If they were Samsung, I'd just go "well, that was to be expected". From Apple, not so much.

 

 

When Apple sells software, it should just work as advertised. "It's that simple".

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1) Who says it's Lion? I'm talking of the last really good OS Apple pushed out, Snow Leopard, not of Apple's Vista.

The last really good OS they pushed out was Mountain Lion. In many ways it's what I expected Lion to have but at less than $20 it's fine that they are doing a tick-tock method of updating their desktop OS.
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But I really am sad they do not seem to care about users who want to NOT upgrade to a new version of the OS, for whtever reason

When such a high percentage of their user base updates their SW so quickly you have to expect this. As someone who embraces the future I am quite happy that Apple isn't taking their developers off current projects so they can continue to add functionality to SW that was released over 3 years ago.

In a way I feel for you because I understand what it's like to want something in the tech world but being the odd man out. I was wishing for Apple to get rid of the ODD in their Pro machines years ago. I wasn't complaining they still included this larger, power-hungry component that goes unused. Instead I found a solution that suited my particular needs. If FT is that important to you I trust you'll find a solution.
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I have a patent on eye rolling - see you in court.

 

Actually, sad as it is you're not far from reality.  Samsung got sued by a purely patent troll company (they don't make a product) for adding emoticon buttons on some of their phones and Samsung has (had?) a suit against Apple for something similar.  Emoji or something?

 

The current system of micropatenting every trivial thing is horribly broken.

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1) Who says it's Lion? I'm talking of the last really good OS Apple pushed out, Snow Leopard, not of Apple's Vista.

 

FaceTime does work on Snow Leopard, at least it is supposed to. What problems are you experiencing? Perhaps you could try to delete it and reinstall. You do have to be running SL 10.6.6. The current SL is 10.6.8 I believe.

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FaceTime does work on Snow Leopard, at least it is supposed to. What problems are you experiencing? Perhaps you could try to delete it and reinstall. You do have to be running SL 10.6.6. The current SL is 10.6.8 I believe.

I thought he was talking about iMessage, hence my Lion comment. I completely misread his comment to mean something that is actually an issue for some users who can't upgrade to ML because their HW is too old.

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Secondary discussion moved hereI think it's testament to the "winding down" of all this patent talk, but then again, we all knew Apple would win in the first place. Now we just have to wait for the second round.

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That was a lot of posts being deleted.

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That is a great idea to separate legal on another page. I'm honestly getting turned off visiting appleinsider because of the loads of legal crap.

 

When are these 2 kids gonna grow up? Ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by bigmike View Post
When are these 2 kids gonna grow up? Ridiculous.

 

 

Probably when everyone starts playing fair.

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I have a patent on eye rolling - see you in court.

Very good 1smile.gif. It looks as though my feeble attempt at "humour" backfired on me - at the very least I guess that I should have added the "/s" pseudo-tag 1wink.gif (carefully avoids rolling eyes /s). Meanwhile I'll also scrabble through my files and see if I have a patent on seeing you in court 1biggrin.gif.

I do understand the seriousness of the problem, however, and sometimes worry that Apple might have a tiger by the tail. But if they didn't do something the tiger would get 'em anyway (e.g., cf. SONY, Panasonic, Sharp, etc.). Samsung's apparent "government backing" which makes things even more worrying. Which is why Apple has lawyers, of course - I just hope that they're good enough.
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It's easy to ignore pages or articles you don't want to read. Just admit that this is feeding your inner need to be critical.

There's no need to get psychomological, I was just suggesting that there are clearly 2 objective categories of articles on this site, and it would make sense to leverage that as an organising principle at a high level, not make it simply another tag. "Front Page" and "Back Page" is far less objective and clear than Legal and Tech.

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wow i think toshiba missed an opportunity. my old T1000 laptop had hinges first with a display on one side and a keyboard and cursor controls on the other side. it was made of plastic and metalwowi need to buy toshiba stockright nowthey have a windfall ofpatent infringement dough coming their way based on these lawsuits. compaq and palm should get bunches of dough from apple for the round-ish centrally located button used in all iPhones and iPads.I better buy their stock too.
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