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"Oh my god.. how awesome are we? We have out shopped everyone."

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but Android is winning because Google is activiation 1 Billion devices a month! Just goes to show you the "raw" OS data doesn't mean crap.  a great majority of iPhone users use it as more than a phone while a great number of Android users use it primarily as a phone.

 

If the vast majority of Android users are using their devices primarily as phones, then that doesn't bode all that well for the platform, now does it?

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The world is going to hell in a hand basket, but while only discerning clients buy Ferraris, Ferrari is owned by Fiat. I am sure Tim Cook et Cie. do not share your smug attitude -- apple almost went out of business once, and they know very well that they need to address the low end penetration (lascivious as it does sound) problem.
 

It is easy to draw extremes however unlike Ferrari, many discerning clients select BMW 328i or even the 128, which are not all that expensive. They would rather select premium brands than a Hyundai or Kia even though those autos are pretty fine copies of the original german designs. If Apple ever delivers a device that is clearly outclassed by the competition just to target the low end of the market then the brand will become tarnished. Thankfully that has not happened although I still worry that they might release some bargain basement version of iOS to appease the peasants who long for the shiny Apple logo on the cheap.

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Except for the fact that WhatsApp is not the only app of its ilk (there is, for example, Skype, which is very popular), whereas iMessage IS used on every iDevice. Point being, I am not sure what the numbers say, and neither are you.
 

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I guess I must be one of the "5.5%" as I purchased a Samsung Note 2 on the weekend. I'm loving the huge 5.5" screen and widgets in android. I don't miss my iPhone 3GS _at all_.
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Notice that the iPad mini is an attempt to go after the low end, but Apple clearly compromised (no Retina, no GPS...) 

No GPS? Oh no! I bought the LTE version thinking I would get GPS. Let me go research this. I'll be back.

 

Edit: Assisted GPS and GLONASS as per Apple tech specs.

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I guess I must be one of the "5.5%" as I purchased a Samsung Note 2 on the weekend. I'm loving the huge 5.5" screen and widgets in android. I don't miss my iPhone 3GS _at all_.

 

Sounds like you never wanted a phone in the first place. The Note 2 isn't even marketed as one. Talk about a true identity crisis. Too small to be a tablet, too big to be a phone!

 

It's around the same size as a Newton, yeah? Or a Palm Pilot. And has the stylus of one, too!


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No GPS? Oh no! I bought the LTE version thinking I would get GPS. Let me go research this. I'll be back.

 

Wi-Fi doesn't have it, which is expected. Cellular does.

 

Interesting that the "compare" page for iPads doesn't show the iPad 2 as having GPS… But… it totally did/does, right? Even the first iPad had it.

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Interesting that the "compare" page for iPads doesn't show the iPad 2 as having GPS… But… it totally did/does, right? Even the first iPad had it.

It mentions A-GPS.

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...even so the device is not much cheaper than the iPad. It is, apparently selling well, though I was at BestBuy yesterday, and they had stock up the wazoo.
 

Well, the rumor on the street was they ordered 10 million minis for the holiday season so they probably expect to sell them all. We'll have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
It mentions A-GPS.

 

Weird.

 

         iPad Mini                                iPad 2                                iPad 4

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Almost seems like a purposeful omission…

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AI was dead all weekend, but this story has caused everyone to come out of the woodwork. Nothing seems to pi$$ people off as much as a story painting Apple or Apple devices in a good light.

 

And as I (and others) have said over and over, most Android devices being sold are low-end units that people don't even use as smartphones. No wonder developers continue to favor iOS.

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It mentions A-GPS.

 

Weird.

 

Almost seems like a purposeful omission…

Perhaps it has something to do with no GLONASS support although it would seem logical to mention that only in Russia, Right?.

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Weird.

         iPad Mini                                iPad 2                                iPad 4


Almost seems like a purposeful omission…

The iPad 2 doesn't have GLONASS but it is odd they wouldn't include a mention of the GPS it has.


PS: I don't think I knew Sprint had the iPad (4) and iPad mini.

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It's crazy that 10% of all internet shopping is attributed to a single product line of one company.
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I was thinking of the WiFi version. I believe the full-size iPad has it in both version.
 

This is very simple. GPS is in all the products Apple makes that also include cellular HW.

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This makes perfect sense, and it hardly comes as any surprise to me. I've written this many, many times before, but a great many Android users are cheapskates, and that is part of the reason why their whole eco-system sucks monkeyballs. All of the data out there supports this conclusion. We hear about gazillions of activations every day, yet Android people apparently use their phones and tablets mainly as dummy phones, since their presence on the web and on e-commerce sites is embarrassingly low and laughable.

 

In spite of what delusional Fandroid trolls might claim and lie about, it's pretty clear that almost everybody who has money to spend, belongs to the Apple eco-system. 

 

If somebody willingly chooses to buy an Android device, I believe that there are only two main explanations, one is that the person is an Apple-hater and their hatred is so extreme that they willingly choose to use crappy Android devices running an inferior OS, and the second explanation is that the person is simply flat broke. I believe that most Android users are part of the latter category.

 

Apple users are happily surfing on their devices, using tons of money and buying up stuff online, taking advantage of great Black Friday sales, while most Android users are not ordering much at all through their devices, and they're merely sitting at home in their parent's basements, filled with blind rage and jealousy, trolling Apple forums, like the losers that they are. Android users are also technically ignorant, as many of them suffer from spec-syndrome derangement, and they totally fail to recognize that the end user experience is about a whole lot more than just a bunch of numbers on a piece of paper or on a web site. Anybody with two, normally functioning eyes can easily see the superiority of Apple's devices.

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And just to add one thing.

 

I sure feel sorry for any kids out there who might wake up on Christmas morning and they excitedly run to retrieve their packages under the tree and after opening them, they find out that their parents cheaped out and they find some sort of Android tablet in the box.

 

I was reading this one thread on the Anandtech forum about some guy whose daughter wished for an Apple device and the father was thinking about getting some Android tablet instead. That is going to be one disappointed child, come Christmas, and it will have ramifications that will last for years, perhaps a whole lifetime.lol.gif

 

I almost liken buying an Android tablet for a child as child abuse. I would never in my wildest dreams ever give any kid of mine an Android tablet, if I had any kids. You are setting them up for low expectations and failure later on in life, in my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by igriv View Post
Point is, having a closed system (iOS) is good, in that you get to keep out the riffraff, and bad, since no one company can keep up with all the cool stuff going on in the tech world. So far, the closed system has won out in the top end, who knows what the future will bring.

 

Viruses, malware, all manner of intrusions, many of which will be able to affect your voice, message, and data bills, and SOFTWARE designed to slow down your PHONE to combat these threats.

 

But not on my platform! 

 

We already know what the future will bring. Played out in the late '80s and early '90s. Seen that movie. Don't need to see the reboot (neat, a cross-profession reference) to know how it one ends.

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And just to add one thing.

 

I sure feel sorry for any kids out there who might wake up on Christmas morning and they excitedly run to retrieve their packages under the tree and after opening them, they find out that their parents cheaped out and they find some sort of Android tablet in the box.

 

I was reading this one thread on the Anandtech forum about some guy whose daughter wished for an Apple device and the father was thinking about getting some Android tablet instead. That is going to be one disappointed child, come Christmas, and it will have ramifications that will last for years, perhaps a whole lifetime.lol.gif

 

I almost liken buying an Android tablet for a child as child abuse. I would never in my wildest dreams ever give any kid of mine an Android tablet, if I had any kids. You are setting them up for low expectations and failure later on in life, in my humble opinion.

 

IMO it's the opposite, you can't let your children just have something because he/she wished for it. Get him/her an android device and make him/her work for an iOS device after he/she showed maturity of handling a (worse) device. That would actually help the children's future.

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IMO it's the opposite, you can't let your children just have something because he/she wished for it. Get him/her an android device and make him/her work for an iOS device after he/she showed maturity of handling a (worse) device. That would actually help the children's future.

I'd agree with you if the Apple device were insanely expensive or out of reach. Something like an iPad Mini is not something that is unreasonable for a kid to ask for, IMO, especially when many of their friends and people in school will have such devices.

 

When I was a kid, I fantasized about getting an Apple ][ for my birthday or for the holidays one year, but I knew that it was so out of the question, that I never even made my parents aware that I wanted one, since I might as well have been asking for a Ferrari or something. I asked for an Atari 800 instead, and I got it, and I was extremely happy with that.

 

I wouldn't buy my kid (if I had any kids) a Mac Pro, if they asked for one, but something like an iPad Mini? Sure.

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Apple users are happily surfing on their devices, using tons of money and buying up stuff online, taking advantage of great Black Friday sales, while most Android users are not ordering much at all through their devices, and they're merely sitting at home in their parent's basements, filled with blind rage and jealousy, trolling Apple forums, like the losers that they are. Android users are also technically ignorant, as many of them suffer from spec-syndrome derangement, and they totally fail to recognize that the end user experience is about a whole lot more than just a bunch of numbers on a piece of paper or on a web site. Anybody with two, normally functioning eyes can easily see the superiority of Apple's devices.

You know what? We are not far apart on this one, ironically. The only exception I might make is that only a small percentage of Android users are militant basement dwellers. The large majority of the Android users are hard working low income people whom I know you distain. Nevertheless they choose Android phones over iPhones because they can procure them for no money down with month to month payment options on third tier networks. Of course there are also the super tech nerds who make up a small but vocal minority, but that is a different discussion.

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IMO it's the opposite, you can't let your children just have something because he/she wished for it. Get him/her an android device and make him/her work for an iOS device after he/she showed maturity of handling a (worse) device. That would actually help the children's future.

I dunno... would you really spend a couple hundred dollars on a "practice" Android tablet?

Even if butterfingers run in your family... it might be better to put that money into an Otterbox for the iPad... rather than buying an Android tablet (they don't even want) to test their handling skills.

Maybe get some juggling lessons first instead of wasting money on an Android tablet 1cool.gif
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That article is from 2010...

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That article is from 2010...

What are you talking about?

 

The AI post links to an allthingsd article, which is from Nov 25, 2012.

 

 
 
 
And the allthingsd article links to an IBM holiday benchmark infrographic, which is called BF 2012.
 
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IBM: Apple's iOS dominated holiday shopping, 330% greater than Android




Is it just me or do these AI writers need to re-think how they write headlines? It's quite often that the headline doesn't match the meat of the content. It wasn't until I read the article that I realized D.E.D. was not talking about Apple selling 3.3x more iOS devices than Android-based devices over the weekend.

The inference is through probability that it is more than 3.3: 1 likely with that ratio of point of sales via iOS devices to those of all other devices makes it highly probable that their purchases in electronics will be for more iOS devices and not Android devices.
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suffer from spec-syndrome derangement

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Love the "spec-syndrome derangement" comment 1cool.gif
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…some still going to argue it's because Android users change their User Agent?

"Dude, I, like, totally just got this new phone, bra."

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"I dunno, man, but I totally just changed my user agent."

"What does that even meeeeeeeeean?!" "I know, bra!"

Bra? What's this "bra"? Is that like some sort of pectoral mammary support garment? 1wink.gif
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I find it so stupid when Apple still cannot keep up with demand and this guys are talking about market share, like if it matters or has any meaning. The iOS ecosystem is extending the lead (developers interest, decent apps, music/tvshows/etc), iOS devices are the ones being used, Apple cannot keep with demand on any iProduct.

 

Android has 0 influence right now (on iOS).

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Strange that a stolen product has been altered in such a way that it simply is hardly used.
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...selling 250 per hour from 12 am to 8 am Pacific Time."

People stay up all night to do their holiday shopping because iOS is so difficult to use¡
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Another piece of data that confirms Android's 'sales' numbers are largely made up.
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Everybody talked about this "closed" vs "open" issue between Android and Apple as if they really know a thing about it.

 

The Gsheeps are so gulliable to buy into all the false marketing and begin to think that the other camp of users are the sheeps.

 

Android is 'open' if we are talking about the hardware.  But since when is this an advantage?  Buy the wrong Android hardware and you will never get future OS updates.

Just look around, are there even many good alternatives for Android hardware to choose from?  Other than Samsung, is any Android hardware manufacturer making any profit?  If what they manufactured are decent enough, why do they have to sell at cost or at a loss to move their hardware?

 

The most important and key advantage of an 'open' system is the ability to get 3rd party applications. 

 

Windows won over mac PCs (the last time when Apple was close to bankruptcy) because of 3rd party applications and prices.

 

If Android is so open, why am I seeing so many Android users begging developers to port the numerous IOS apps to their platform on so many websites?

 

All mobile device can play video, read ebook, check email and surf the web.  The differentiation in the range of usage and the user experience come from 3rd party Apps.

 

Android, due to lack of developer's support, is in truth more 'closed' than IOS.  Is this so difficult to understand?

 

I feel sorry for the Gsheeps.


Edited by Wisely - 11/26/12 at 6:40am
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Seems like several people need to read the story. This is not about the sales of Apple devices.
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IMO it's the opposite, you can't let your children just have something because he/she wished for it. Get him/her an android device and make him/her work for an iOS device after he/she showed maturity of handling a (worse) device. That would actually help the children's future.

Yes, that would help the children's future IF your objective is to bring up your kid to think that they should always buy the cheapest garbage they can find without regard to quality, support, longevity, and retained value.

OTOH, if you want to give your kids a REAL lesson, you can teach them discernment and the value of buying a quality product even if it costs a little bit more.

Your first statement ("you can't let your children just have something because he/she wished for it") is silly, too. If your child wants something and you can afford it and it fits with your goals and plans, why not let them have the one they want rather than foisting the cheapest crap on them?
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I guess the smart people were shopping

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Bizarre.

 

Perhaps there is something to this 'shipped vs sold' stuff.

 

What else could explain such huge 'sales' of Android devices and such a low turnout on the internet?

 

Or maybe folk buy Android devices just to make phone calls, then zip round the corner and buy an iPad for everything else.

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A good analysis of this data (along with ComScore) from Horace Dediu:

http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/
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Bizarre.

Perhaps there is something to this 'shipped vs sold' stuff.

What else could explain such huge 'sales' of Android devices and such a low turnout on the internet?

Or maybe folk buy Android devices just to make phone calls, then zip round the corner and buy an iPad for everything else.
Just like the data that shows iPads having 90+% of web traffic. Of course the Fandroids will say that's because they use custom browsers that change their identification but I think that makes up a small percentage of Android users.
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I'm beginning to actually hate Android users. The amount of bullshit I have had to correct this week has reached fever pitch. These gullible idiots are deluded and incapable of rational thought.

Due to the lack of grey matter, the likelihood of them succeeding in life is pretty slim, therefore they will have no disposable income. 

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Windows won over mac PCs because of 3rd party applications and prices.

 

 

Sorry? How's that?

 

Apple makes more money from makes than all OEMs from PCs.

How do you define "wining"?

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I don't mean at the present moment. I mean the 'won' at the time when Steve Job returned to Apple and Apple was close to bankruptcy.

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