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The launch of the iPhone 5 has propelled Apple to a 48.1 percent share of U.S. smartphone sales, edging the iOS platform past Google's Android.

The latest data from Kantar Worldpanel revealed that the iPhone 5 launched helped Apple move past Android, which had 46.7 percent of sales over the last 12 weeks. Apple's share is expected to grow even more as availability of the iPhone 5 improves.

"The last time we saw iOS overtake Android in the US was when the iPhone 4S was released and Apple managed to retain its lead for three consecutive periods," said Dominic Sunnebo, global consumer insight director at Kantar Worldpanel ComTech. "This time we predict that Apple will beat its previous high of 49.3 percent and achieve its highest ever share of the US smartphone market within the next two periods."

Most iPhone 5 sales in the U.S ? 62 percent ? were to customers who already owned an Apple product. And customers also indicated they will remain loyal, as 92 percent in America said they will choose an iPhone the next time they upgrade.

The survey of customers, which covered a 12-week span ending Oct. 28, also found that users were most excited by the addition of high-speed 4G LTE connectivity, as well as the larger 4-inch display on the iPhone 5.

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While the data shows the iPhone 5 has given Apple a significant boost in the U.S. market, the company did not see the same level of share gains in Europe. There, Android accounted for 73.9 percent of sales in Germany and 81.7 percent in Spain over the last 12 weeks.

Kantar Worldpanel did find that Apple saw share gains inf our of the five major countries in Europe, particularly in Britain, where iOS accounted for 32.7 percent of smartphone sales.

?Germany remains a tough market for Apple with its share falling by 5.1 percentage points over the past year," Sunnebo said. "The Samsung Galaxy S3 has taken almost a quarter of the country?s smartphone sales over the past 12 weeks to boost Android yet further. In Italy, strong sales of the Nokia Lumia 610, the fourth best selling handset over the past 12 weeks, and the Nokia Lumia 800, the seventh best selling, have helped drive Windows' share up to 11.7 percent ? the highest across Europe."
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So Tim Cook's promise last year to "fix" Europe failed epically.
I guess Europe needs a cheep cutting edge phone (not a 1 or 2 year old models)
I believe s3 is sold around $350 unsubsidized there and that's almost 50% difference for people living in the economically struggling countries.
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BA HA HA HA HA HA HA…

 

Now they don't even have marketshare to whine about!

 


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I believe s3…

 

Oh, I'm sorry. I must have read wrong. I could have sworn you said "cutting-edge", not "giant rubber ball".

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What with the lies the company reps tell the customers at the local cell phone outlet, and the kickbacks the reps get for pushing the Galaxy SIII on every customer, I'm surprised Apple is making any headway at all.
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No offense to Europeans but all I really care about are US results so iPhone is on top. All those statistics about Android blowing away iPhone include a ton of throwaway Android phones in Europe and elsewhere. Apple doesn't make throwaway products and never will. If Android wants that market, it's fine with me.
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BA HA HA HA HA HA HA…

Now they don't even have marketshare to whine about!


Oh, I'm sorry. I must have read wrong. I could have sworn you said "cutting-edge", not "giant rubber ball".

That giant rubber ball seems to be trouncing Apple in sales in Europe.

So maybe you can tell us why the iPhone isn't selling as well as a giant rubber ball.
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Three cheers for Apple...

 

I have an iPhone 5, I had an iPhone 4, an iPhone 3 and my next phone will be an iPhone (assuming the naming isn't changed), so I guess I'm an iSheep.

 

Oh - and SIRI is great, using it more and more.

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No offense to Europeans but all I really care about are US results so iPhone is on top. All those statistics about Android blowing away iPhone include a ton of throwaway Android phones in Europe and elsewhere. Apple doesn't make throwaway products and never will. If Android wants that market, it's fine with me.

I had forgotten... Apple doesn't care about sales.

The damn thing about this is that for every Android phone sold an iPhone is not sold and in parts of Europe it looks like Apple is approaching zero sales. Do you really think that Tim Cook doesn't give a shit about this.
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Three cheers for Apple...

 

I have an iPhone 5, I had an iPhone 4, an iPhone 3 and my next phone will be an iPhone (assuming the naming isn't changed), so I guess I'm an iSheep.

 

Oh - and SIRI is great, using it more and more.


While I love Siri I still haven't gotten over the awkward feeling of using it in public in the couple of months I've had my new phone

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BA HA HA HA HA HA HA…

Now they don't even have marketshare to whine about!


Oh, I'm sorry. I must have read wrong. I could have sworn you said "cutting-edge", not "giant rubber ball".


I guess you did not get my point. Apple needs a second iPhone line to address Europe. This starts smelling like Mac vs PC of 90s except for the fact that iPhone is down to platform choice #3 in some countries. Not good.
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That giant rubber ball seems to be trouncing Apple in sales in Europe.
So maybe you can tell us why the iPhone isn't selling as well as a giant rubber ball.

 

I think I can see why you're a Hermit. On an Island.  ;-)

 

Market share doesn't mean squat to me.  Sales, profits, even "up selling" to other Apple products, these are the numbers I care about as an investor.  I have no doubt that Android will be the dominant OS on the world market, and I'm ok with that.  Are Samsung and Google as profitable?  Nope. Will they ever be?  As long as Apple continues to refine their product and focus on the user experience, while protecting their IP, I feel safe saying that Apple will be #1 for a long time.

 

Not to mention the decline of the PC and the rise of the iPads

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As Steve Jobs once said, " You can please some of the people some of the time."
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Never believe any statistic unless you faked it yourself. The way these numbers are fluctuating, one could think that people in the States change their handset every 3 months. I don't believe any of this projected crap.
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I think I can see why you're a Hermit. On an Island.  ;-)

Market share doesn't mean squat to me.  Sales, profits, even "up selling" to other Apple products, these are the numbers I care about as an investor.  I have no doubt that Android will be the dominant OS on the world market, and I'm ok with that.  Are Samsung and Google as profitable?  Nope. Will they ever be?  As long as Apple continues to refine their product and focus on the user experience, while protecting their IP, I feel safe saying that Apple will be #1 for a long time.

Not to mention the decline of the PC and the rise of the iPads

One more smart ass in the crowd.

I don't give a shit about market share either... as long as some product is being sold.

So Apple ends up with 2% (or less) of sales in Europe and you are satisfied with that.

At least we have schools on my island.
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Tim Cook needs to worry about how to make more iphones first.

 

Even if Apple is worried about sales in Europe, the company cannot make iphone fast enough to sell to the Europeans.

 

Don't forget, outside of US, it is not just the European markets..

 

Got to say I am a little surprised.  With so many manufacturers on the Android camp and dumping their phones at cost or at a loss, and combined together they could not outsell Apple in the US?

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
So maybe you can tell us why the iPhone isn't selling as well as a giant rubber ball.

 

Price, laziness, cheapness. Same reasons PCs outsell Macs.

 

How do you not know this?


Originally Posted by jason98 View Post
Apple needs…

 

I don't recall a time when someone has said this and been right.

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Hahaa 1smile.gif Brightened my day up!
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Screw Europe. 

 

Apple can not do anything about the miserable economic situation in Europe. If and when it improves, then more people there will have more money to buy iPhones with. Until then, they are free to use bottom of the barrel Android junk. Apple should never sacrifice quality for quantity, and they should not release some crappy, cheaper model, just to make a few more sales.

 

I was taking the subway yesterday, and I was playing my usual, guess what smartphone people own game, which I happen to be real good at by the way. I saw this one real ghetto looking, trashy woman with a fat ass and a big mouth, and I just knew that she would be pulling out an Android phone, and sure enough, I was 100% correct. I saw this other woman, a decent looking Asian woman, and not only did I guess her phone before she pulled it out, I also guessed the color correctly, she pulled out a white iPhone 4S. lol.gif

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I don't recall a time when someone has said this and been right.

I have.
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Price, laziness, cheapness. Same reasons PCs outsell Macs.

Keep thinking this is the same as the PC vs Mac days.
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One more smart ass in the crowd.
I don't give a shit about market share either... as long as some product is being sold.
So Apple ends up with 2% (or less) of sales in Europe and you are satisfied with that.
At least we have schools on my island.

 

Haha!

 

It was a joke, lighten up.  None of this matters, really.

 

I didn't say I want Apple to have 2% of sales in Europe.  But I'll leave that to the big boys at Apple to worry about.  If I want to invest, I do. I I want to sell, I do.  In the meantime, I enjoy my iPhone, iPad, Mac, etc etc etc because they're a vastly superior experience (to me).

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
Keep thinking this is the same as the PC vs Mac days.

 

Let's see, Apple creates an industry, creates a category-defining and -leading product, sells a lot of said product, and then someone comes along and straight up steals everything that Apple has done and sells it to the lowest bidder, who punches out bargain bin crap to flood the market and atrophy Apple's sales of quality product.

 

YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

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I had forgotten... Apple doesn't care about sales.
The damn thing about this is that for every Android phone sold an iPhone is not sold and in parts of Europe it looks like Apple is approaching zero sales. Do you really think that Tim Cook doesn't give a shit about this.

I believe Mr. Cook cares about all sales but Apple isn't going to create a cheap version of anything they produce. If that's what it takes to put an iPhone in every German's hand, Apple isn't going to do it. The Android phone manufacturers don't care about their products, that's obvious. As for Android, lumping all Android phones together means nothing since I doubt Google gets any income from the OS. Therefore, this whole analysis is bogus since it doesn't compare iPhones to other phone manufacturers. 

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Haha!

It was a joke, lighten up.  None of this matters, really.

I didn't say I want Apple to have 2% of sales in Europe.  But I'll leave that to the big boys at Apple to worry about.  If I want to invest, I do. I I want to sell, I do.  In the meantime, I enjoy my iPhone, iPad, Mac, etc etc etc because they're a vastly superior experience (to me).

I notice that you've changed your story a bit.
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Let's see, Apple creates an industry, creates a category-defining and -leading product, sells a lot of said product, and then someone comes along and straight up steals everything that Apple has done and sells it to the lowest bidder, who punches out bargain bin crap to flood the market and atrophy Apple's sales of quality product.

 

YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

Apple cannot keep up with demand, it's irrelevant. Who cares...

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Let's see, Apple creates an industry, creates a category-defining and -leading product, sells a lot of said product, and then someone comes along and straight up steals everything that Apple has done and sells it to the lowest bidder, who punches out bargain bin crap to flood the market and atrophy Apple's sales of quality product.

YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

Oh, yes, that's exactly how it is... lol.gif
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People forget that Europeans are for the most part, poorer than the average person in the USA. Even in Germany, people look for less expensive products. And in many places, the SIII is now going for $99 with a contract, and is cheaper than the iPhone 5 off contract.

So for people wanting the latest phone, Samsung has a better fit if money is an issue. Unless Apple does something about this, they will not have the kind of marketshare outside the US, and possibly Canada and England that they would like.

But how does Apple bring out a top model for considerably less money? It's difficult to see. They've committed themselves to expensive materials, and expensive manufacturing methods. If they drop back from that, how will consumers react?
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I believe Mr. Cook cares about all sales but Apple isn't going to create a cheap version of anything they produce. If that's what it takes to put an iPhone in every German's hand, Apple isn't going to do it. The Android phone manufacturers don't care about their products, that's obvious. As for Android, lumping all Android phones together means nothing since I doubt Google gets any income from the OS. Therefore, this whole analysis is bogus since it doesn't compare iPhones to other phone manufacturers. 

Lumping all Android phones together?

I think you better reread the story.
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I notice that you've changed your story a bit.

 

Not a bit, friend.  I'm just correcting your assumption that I care NOTHING about market share.  I just said I care MORE about profits and the bottom line.  If you'll read above, you'll see that I stated that Google WILL dominate the market, worldwide.  Attribute that to multiple hardware companies choosing Android because of it's openness and easily customize-able OS.

 

Doesn't change the fact that Apple's profits are doing quite well and will continue to do so, as long as they continue to make a quality product/experience.

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
Oh, yes, that's exactly how it is...

 

So either explain how I'm wrong or bow to the truth.

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All this crap talk about Europeans and people seem to forget about one particular detail: we don't have subsidized iPhones in many places here, Apple isn't willing to walk the extra step to work with carriers, and carriers don't care enough because most people here prefer prepaid services. As I write this, I'm still waiting for tethering support on the iPad. I've instructed my carrier (Vodafone) on the exact steps that they must take in order to enable it, but from what I'm told, they can't update the profiles to a version that supports the iPad (12.1) without Apple.
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I believe s3 is sold around $350 unsubsidized there
Are you kidding?
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Are you kidding?

both have similar prices.

 

the only justification is that people are stupid, since the iphone is superior in every single way.

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People in China think I'm rich because I have an iPhone. They are very surprised when I tell them that in the U.S. whether you get an iPhone or another smartphone, it's basically the same price. In most of the world, if you want an iPhone, you're going to be ponying up a lot more than for your genetic Android device.

How many Americans would buy an iPhone for $700 if they could get a different phone for $200 or $300?
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both have similar prices.

the only justification is that people are stupid, since the iphone is superior in every single way.

Maybe the app support in Europe is not as big as in the US, so they probably have no need to go for the higher priced device.
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Maybe the app support in Europe is not as big as in the US, so they probably have no need to go for the higher priced device.

No, nothing like that. Samsung is everywhere around here. TV, adverts, football ads, microwaves, washing machines, fridges... and people fall for their hype, so: S3 buyers are stupid, there's 0 logic for buying a s3.

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When your the best, you don't give it away. 

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The other thing is that around the world, Android is still on more carriers. Not so much in Europe anymore though. But look at China. 700 million people with China Mobile. The other two big carriers together just have 400 million. That's a big unbalance. And the 5 hasn't reached them yet either.
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
Apple isn't willing to walk the extra step to work with carriers…

 

BZZT. Nope. You don't have subsidized phones because… that's the carriers' choice. It's ALL on them. The phones are unlocked because your laws require it. There's nothing preventing carriers from subsidizing.

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I guess you did not get my point. Apple needs a second iPhone line to address Europe. This starts smelling like Mac vs PC of 90s except for the fact that iPhone is down to platform choice #3 in some countries. Not good.

 

Just because people in Europe are looking for bargain basement technology so that they can continue to afford European-produced luxury cars and artisanal food in the face of economic downturn doesn't mean that Apple should change the quality of products they produce.  Should Mercedes Benz try to compete with GM or Ford for North American market share?

 
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