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post #41 of 241

I can't find cover flow for movies or sorting movie with art by date added.  Not happy.

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no scrubbing in mini-player = a downgrade in my book
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have you guys noticed the colors on the sidebar (if you enable the sidebar)?

 

That's Ive, isn't it? :)

post #44 of 241
Just upgraded and overall I think its an improvement. But it still bloody well jumbles up tracks on CD's! Just put in a CD I like - to rip and none of the tracks were in order 2-12-4-7 etc...only iTunes seems to do this. Which might not be so bad if you could easily re-order them correctly, but there seems to be no way to do this, just like in previous iterations. Which is why of late I'm ripping new CD's to Windows media player, where this annoying bug doesn't occur! Also as a side bar Safari for Windows is so much slower than other web-browsers...maybe all Apple software for the Windows platform is crap, very frustrating!
post #45 of 241

I just love this view. It's clean, crisp, and really lets me focus on just the artist I want. Yeah, it was there before, but this whole overall look is actually very inviting. 

 

 

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post #46 of 241

I rip my movies and add them.  I don't see the Show rating in the title any more.

 

Not updating this one at home.

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Why offer both? It's needlessly confusing. Get rid of the maximize button and let the green button perform that function. Now I have two buttons on opposite sides of the screen performing roughly the same function.

Ever used OS X Lion or Mountain Lion? Because that fullscreen mode was added to all major Apple applications since Lion shipped. And they usually do quite different things.

 

- Maximise button: Menu bar still there with the application menus and the right side menu bar icons, Dock still there

- Fullscreen mode: In most applications a clearly simplified interface, you can swipe from one application to another

 

If you ever used fullscreen mode in Aperture or iPhoto, you would not mistake fullscreen mode for a maximised window, the UI is very different. The differences between the two modes might be smaller in iTunes but even applications that have fixed window size (like System Preferences) still have the three coloured buttons in the top left corners (though the green one is greyed out). So, for the sake of consistency, the three radio buttons are there in every single app. And if there is a use for a different fullscreen mode, adding it provides utility.

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Sorry, but I'm right on this from the user's perspective. The functional differences are so slight, it is simply ridiculous. Get rid of one, either the green button or the maximize... or put them right next to each other on the left hand side, or all on the right hand side. Wasted motion is bad design. This is poorly thought out on Apple's part.
Seriously? Just because you feel that way you are right and everyone else is wrong?

I'm sorry, but you are outvoted and therefore are obviously wrong. (See , that feels better doesn't it. Now you know you are wrong just because I said so. 1oyvey.gif )
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Why offer both? It's needlessly confusing. Get rid of the maximize button and let the green button perform that function. Now I have two buttons on opposite sides of the screen performing roughly the same function.
Ummm...no. 

Full Screen is completely different from the green button. Maximize keeps you in the same desktop, while Full Screen creates a new space. There is a world of conceptual, and usage differences between the two.

I don't like the maximize option in ML. I can Cmd-Tab to another program but not Cmd-Tab back to the program that is in Full Screen. And don't get me started on the Full Screen mode in Aperture; it used to simply go 'Full Screen' by zooming in the photo; now it does this ML animation where the program shifts to a new workspace and there doesn't seem to be an option to turn it of. But I digress.
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And iTunes is one of the few buttons where the green button even means maximize. In most apps (e.g. Safari) it means best fit. Actually, technically, it means best fit in iTunes also, because the maximized fit is probably best fit for an iTunes library (at least on laptops...not tested it on a desktop).

That seems to be the case: it doesn't maximize the screen (as opposed to Full Screen) but simply restores the last Window Size (which is something different than maximize)
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I feel like I'm missing something really basic here.  I'm playing a playlist.  I click over to another playlist.  Where's the option to return to the currently playing playlist?

Does Cmd-L still work? I haven't downloaded v11; if things I'm used to get broken I'm not gonna like it. But I understand the colored icons are back? If so, bring it back in Aperture as well Apple!

I sure hope they left the tabular order in tact this time. They screw the order up with every-single-release.

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I just love this view. It's clean, crisp, and really lets me focus on just the artist I want. Yeah, it was there before, but this whole overall look is actually very inviting. 

 

 

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Sorry, but I'm right on this from the user's perspective. The functional differences are so slight, it is simply ridiculous. Get rid of one, either the green button or the maximize... or put them right next to each other on the left hand side, or all on the right hand side. Wasted motion is bad design. This is poorly thought out on Apple's part.


Have you been using fullscreen mode with other applications in Lion or Mountain Lion? There so many things that are hidden in fullscreen mode that a lot of people would not like use fullscreen mode for iTunes. Do you want to take the maximise function away from all those people to have one green disk less in the UI?

post #52 of 241

I like the fact that it is very reminiscent of the iOS version (iPad especially.) It feels like an "Apple family" product. There's a sense of continuity and familiarity that, again, I just find *comforting*. Actually, this continuity is what I would naturally expect, insofar as it's possible, from app to app on device to device. So really, the "iOS-ification of OS X" (in certain areas) sits very well with me.

post #53 of 241

I love the new interface. Just one minor thing, has anybody figured out to separate the different seasons of a TV Show. The default setting for the expanded view is to take the colour from the first season's artwork, even if say the artwork is completely different for the second season.

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Originally Posted by ombra2105 View Post
I love the new interface. Just one minor thing, has anybody figured out to separate the different seasons of a TV Show. The default setting for the expanded view is to take the colour from the first season's artwork, even if say the artwork is completely different for the second season.

 

See, I really don't think there is. If you'll notice, the season selector's on the top right of the dropdown. That it has a selector built into it makes me think that there's zero way of going back to the old one.

 

And that SUCKS, since they give so much frigging space to each episode's "button". A lot more scrolling that we wouldn't have otherwise had to do, plus the reasons you stated.


Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

I like the fact that it is very reminiscent of the iOS version (iPad especially.) It feels like an "Apple family" product. There's a sense of continuity and familiarity that, again, I just find *comforting*. Actually, this continuity is what I would naturally expect, insofar as it's possible, from app to app on device to device. So really, the "iOS-ification of OS X" (in certain areas) sits very well with me.

 

On the other hand, this is yet another application that I'm upset I can't touch to control… 

 

What happened to iTunes here is what will happen to Music in iOS (6.1? 7?), so take note of that, too.

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Does Cmd-L still work?

 

It does, but I'm a visual person.  I always used the tiny icon that was (until now) at the right of the currently playing song at the top of iTunes.  Click to return to the currently playing song in the currently playing playlist.  Now, that's gone.

 

And the playlist order doesn't change to reflect the order it's playing in?  OY!  Click random/shuffle.  The playlist playes in a shuffled order, but the tracks aren't shown in the order they'll play in.  You have to look in the new Up Next dropdown for that - unless I'm missing something?  Hopefully I am because it's annoying to see a playlist but not be able to see the order it'll play in if shuffled.

post #56 of 241

For the record, there's a LOT to like in the new iTunes, but I can't help thinking they should have held off until January 1st to finish polishing it off.

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Ummm...no. 

 

Full Screen is completely different from the green button. Maximize keeps you in the same desktop, while Full Screen creates a new space. There is a world of conceptual, and usage differences between the two.

 

And iTunes is one of the few buttons where the green button even means maximize. In most apps (e.g. Safari) it means best fit. Actually, technically, it means best fit in iTunes also, because the maximized fit is probably best fit for an iTunes library (at least on laptops...not tested it on a desktop).

 

Sorry, but I'm right on this from the user's perspective. The functional differences are so slight, it is simply ridiculous. Get rid of one, either the green button or the maximize... or put them right next to each other on the left hand side, or all on the right hand side. Wasted motion is bad design. This is poorly thought out on Apple's part.

 

Not from my perspective. I agree with addicted44 that maximize and full screen are very different functions, and used for different purposes. Now whether they should be grouped better is a different question - possibly they should.

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I love the new interface. Just one minor thing, has anybody figured out to separate the different seasons of a TV Show. The default setting for the expanded view is to take the colour from the first season's artwork, even if say the artwork is completely different for the second season.

 

I've also noticed that in the episode listings, some shows will display the ratings and/or the HD tag while others will not.

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Weird.  I also don't see a way to see the randomized track order in a playlist.  Previously, clicking random included the ability to see the playlist in the random order by clicking the far left column of track numbers.  Now, order doesn't change to match the randomized order.

The randomize button is identical to what you get in iOS. It's to the right of the playback timeline (top center of the GUI) directly after the track 'end' time.

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So how do I get rid of the black background in the grid now? It was nice in iTunes 9/10, but in this version 11, the text is a mess and hard to read. There is no option for Preferences/General/Grid View anymore. I can't find anyplace else to change the background color. Any ideas?
post #61 of 241

Not bad. After going through visual options, turning sidebar back on, and getting rid of the icons in favor of list view it's actually useable. Perhaps it's because of my familiarity with DOS, but I've always preferred list view over icons. My brain doesn't organize in icons, so it all looks like a jumble mess to me.

 

Anyway, seems to be loading faster, and that annoying lag that was prevalent everytime I plugged in my iPhone or iPad seems to be gone completely, which I appreciate.

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Originally Posted by Kavok View Post
So how do I get rid of the black background in the grid now? It was nice in iTunes 9/10, but in this version 11, the text is a mess and hard to read. There is no option for Preferences/General/Grid View anymore. I can't find anyplace else to change the background color. Any ideas?

 

Wait, I have a white background.

 

Maybe it keeps the setting you had when you switched, meaning if you edit the plist manually, you would be able to change it (if it's there).

 

WAITAMINUTE I didn't have a white background in the old one. So it changed my setting. How's yours black? Was yours white before? 


Edited by Tallest Skil - 11/29/12 at 2:49pm
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So far my biggest gripe is the lack of easy access to Playlists, which has prompted me to turn the sidebar back on. If someone uses iTunes to focus on one specific type of media, this will vastly simplify their experience. They made an odd choice of hiding the playlist button for all except for music. That button then in turns shows all playlists for Music, Movies, Podcasts, etc. What they should have done is logically shown a playlist button if you have playlists for the associated media type.

That said, I like the unified top of iTunes, which is pretty much identical in most aspects to iOS.

 

Maybe with some future tweaking I won't have to rely on the sidebar.

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Will the miniplayer show the track's progression (time elapsed & time remaining of a song). I really like that on the current iTunes but I don't see it on the picture of the new miniplayer? Instead all I see are bigger play controls. Also, the volume controls are missing - I also like them. I know I can control the system's volume with the keyboard but contolling just the iTunes volume is very useful too. What about the name of the track playing? It's nice to see a small pic of the album art though. So, I'm not impressed at all with the new look of the miniplayer if this is what it will look like.
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The randomize button is identical to what you get in iOS. It's to the right of the playback timeline (top center of the GUI) directly after the track 'end' time.

Yes, I know, but the playlist order doesn't change to show the shuffled song order anymore.  I'm currently listening to a smart playlist with over 3,000 songs.  With iTunes 10 and previous, you could see the shuffled song order.  That's gone in iTunes 11...  unless I'm really missing something here.

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I agree that it's snappier. Also cleaner. Nice update.
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So Album view stands out as a prominent feature. Too bad iTunes can't find art for 90% of my collection and half of what it does find is utterly and completely wrong.

 

Oh wait, I know the problem: I'm not supposed to have any music that wasn't purchased from iTunes.

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I feel like I'm missing something really basic here.  I'm playing a playlist.  I click over to another playlist.  Where's the option to return to the currently playing playlist?


Hover your mouse over the song name at the top. A small right arrow fades in. Click it, select 'Go to <current song>'. Takes you to the current playlist.

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So Album view stands out as a prominent feature. Too bad iTunes can't find art for 90% of my collection and half of what it does find is utterly and completely wrong.

 

Oh wait, I know the problem: I'm not supposed to have any music that wasn't purchased from iTunes.

 

And none of these albums have their artwork available anywhere else on the face of the Internet?

post #70 of 241

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> The gradient on the top center display is hurting my eye. Cant see the song name as well as earlier. The antialiased font here (Helvetica I think) is worse than the Lucida Grande earlier.
> The background and font color choice in the app store makes reading the app category VERY hard.

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FYI, the new Home Movie option is another media type under your library, which is a welcome addition. You can tag a movie as a 'Home Movie' instead of just 'Movie'. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to show up under the sidebar list of categories under Library, but it does access them from the new horizontal 'Home Movie' button.

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Hover your mouse over the song name at the top. A small right arrow fades in. Click it, select 'Go to <current song>'. Takes you to the current playlist.

Yeah.  I found that.  A one click button is now buried in a menu only shown when you hover over the top window (whatever that area is called).  Bummer.

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There is one thing I already deeply miss:

 

Live updating of the list or icon view while typing in a search. To me that was how I selected any music 95% of the time. Yes, there is the pop-up but it is not the same. When I search for an artist, I focus on the artist list while typing. Having the rest disappear while you type is really the best way to focus on something, not a new window popping up which has a different layout than the list (or grid) of artist.

 

The same in any other asset library application. In Mail, I type a search term into the search box and don't watch the list of suggestions, I watch the list of e-mails until as it narrows down enough that I can spot the e-mail I am looking for. By searching the system should remove visual clutter until you can find what you are looking for, it should not add visual clutter with a pop-up window.

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Yes, I know, but the playlist order doesn't change to show the shuffled song order anymore.  I'm currently listening to a smart playlist with over 3,000 songs.  With iTunes 10 and previous, you could see the shuffled song order.  That's gone in iTunes 11...  unless I'm really missing something here.

You can view the next 20 tracks by clicking the playlist button right to the right of the randomize button. Probably not exactly what you're looking for, but it gives you a decent glance at upcoming tracks.

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There is one thing I already deeply miss:

 

Live updating of the list or icon view while typing in a search.

Whoa.  They removed the ability to search within a playlist?  Yikes.  That new search popup is a huge step backward.

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So Album view stands out as a prominent feature. Too bad iTunes can't find art for 90% of my collection and half of what it does find is utterly and completely wrong.

 

Oh wait, I know the problem: I'm not supposed to have any music that wasn't purchased from iTunes.


No, if you have shown the capabilities to get music from other sources, googling for the album art should be something very easy for you (and over the years there have been little tools like Fetch Art that should have helped you with this).

post #77 of 241

Hmm.. the Home Videos isn't really a new Category in your LIbrary. They still show up under 'Movies', so I'm not sure what value it has. Was really hoping they offered a new category. If someone can come up with a reason for this one I'd be curious about it. About the only benefit I see is that it just has a different Media Kind for smart lists which might make some easier, but other than that, not very useful.

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Whoa.  They removed the ability to search within a playlist?  Yikes.  That new search popup is a huge step backward.


Yeah, instead of being limited to the context, the search tool has become dumb again and instead of finding something in the context you are in (eg, a playlist), it now throws mobile apps into the search results. Apparently some people are too dumb to switch to the Apps section when they want to find an app.


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Yeah, instead of being limited to the context, the search tool has become dumb again and instead of finding something in the context you are in (eg, a playlist), it now throws mobile apps into the search results. Apparently some people are too dumb to switch to the Apps section when I want to find an app.

Click the dropdown in the search field and deselect 'Search Entire Library'

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No, if you have shown the capabilities to get music from other sources, googling for the album art should be something very easy for you (and over the years there have been little tools like Fetch Art that should have helped you with this).


Correction: A little bit of searching on the interwebs found a partial solution. Click on the little disclosure triangle inside the search box and remove the checkbox next to 'Search Entire Library' and it defaults back to searching only in the currently selected context and it does almost live updating but it has a noticeably hesitation when updating the search results.

 

This ironic, iTunes 11 is faster generally but the thing that was lightning fast in basically ALL previous versions of iTunes was the searching (I never felt bothered much by any slowness of iTunes previously because what mattered most was to get to the content I was looking for fast and the search always delivered). Now what matters, the search, is slow.

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