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Microsoft on Thursday announced the pricing for its forthcoming Surface Pro tablet, starting at $899 for the entry-level 64-gigabyte version with an Intel processor and the full Windows 8 operating system.

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Customers will be able to double their storage to 128 gigabytes for $100 more with the $999 Surface Pro model, the Windows maker announced via its company blog. Both models of Surface with Windows 8 Pro will be available in January 2013.

All Surface Pro models will come with a Surface Pen, Microsoft's proprietary stylus, with Palm Block technology. The hardware also features 4 gigabytes of RAM, a USB 3.0 port, and the full Windows 8 operating system.

Like the ARM-based Surface RT, Surface Pro features a Dark Titanium VaporMg casing, dual 2x2 MIMO antennas, and a built-in kickstand. The professional-level machine will also weigh less than two pounds and be less than 14 millimeters thick.

The Intel-based Surface Pro will also feature a Core i5 processor with integrated graphics to power a 10.6-inch display running at 1,920-by-1,080 pixels in a 16:9 aspect ratio. It also has a Mini DisplayPort that can power an external display up to 2,560-by-1,440 pixels.

The Surface Pro is Microsoft?s attempt at creating a hybrid between a full-fledged PC and its currently available Surface RT operating system, which runs on low-powered ARM processors. Given the price points and features of the Surface Pro, Microsoft's high-end tablet hardware may be targeted as more of a MacBook Air competitor than something positioned to take on Apple's iPad.

In comparison, Apple?s entry-level 11.6-inch MacBook Air, with some similar specs, costs the same as Microsoft?s higher-end Surface Pro ? though consumers of the latter will have to pay at least $120 more for one of the compatible Surface keyboard covers, which are not included with Microsoft's tablet.

Microsoft's announcement arrived Thursday on the heels of a rumor from hit-or-miss publication DigiTimes, which claimed that Microsoft is drastically scaling back orders for its RT tablets after a soft start.

"Microsoft originally expected to ship four million Surface RT devices by the end of 2012, but has recently reduced the orders by half to only two million units," the report said.
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That price suggests this thing is DOA

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64 GB? More like 32 after the bloatware known as Windows is installed.
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64 GB? More like 32 after the bloatware known as Windows is installed.

And let's not forget, unless I'm mistaken, this version will NOT come with MS Office pre-installed.

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1) I wonder how much usable storage you get with that if an Intel version of WIn 8 is installed?

2) I'm sure there are some use cases that can made for this product but I think most would fair better with a proper laptop for enterprise work.

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A laptop you cannot use on your lap. All for more money than MB Air when you add the keyboard. Hard to see how this is a winner.
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A laptop you cannot use on your lap. All for more money than MB Air when you add the keyboard. Hard to see how this is a winner.

 

Because it has a stylus?   lol.gif

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It's *already* DOA, but this time in a more expensive version. 

 

Bravo, Microstupid. Maybe your *next* CEO (if there ever will be one any time soon) will actually have vision that is less than 3 years out of date, and more than 5 feet beyond his personal space. 

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What's the battery life? 2 hrs?

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How about a positive post? The upgrade from 64 to 128GB for $100 seems cheap (then again, everything MS does feels that way) Oops
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+ warranty, support, keyboard?
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Fat, ugly, ugly stupid OS, will not feel any faster than the iPad, worse tablet experience, worse battery life, AV needed, will run very hot.

 

Stupid device for stupid people. the worse of both worlds.

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How about a positive post? The upgrade from 64 to 128GB for $100 seems cheap (then again, everything MS does feels that way) Oops

MS has had to eat some profit on the NAND by starting with more capacity than what other vendors use for mobile devices. The Surface RT at $499 has 32GB which seems like 2x as much capacity than the 16GB iPad but Surface RT needs about 16GB for the OS and pre-installed apps.

I expect the Surface Pro to come in at about 20GB which would give the remaining capacity for a 32GB model around 10GB of usable space. A 64GB and 128GB Surface would then have around 39GB and 100GB of usable capacity, respectively.

For those prices (which you also have to include an additional $129 for the TypeCover) I would rather just get a MBA. Or for those that really hate Apple then any Ultrabook would probably be a better fit overall.

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MS has had to eat some profit on the NAND by starting with more capacity than what other vendors use for mobile devices. The Surface RT at $499 has 32GB which seems like 2x as much capacity than the 16GB iPad but Surface RT needs about 16GB for the OS and pre-installed apps.
I expect the Surface Pro to come in at about 20GB which would give the remaining capacity for a 32GB model around 10GB of usable space. A 64GB and 128GB Surface would then have around 39GB and 100GB of usable capacity, respectively.
For those prices (which you also have to include an additional $129 for the TypeCover) I would rather just get a MBA. Or for those that really hate Apple then any Ultrabook would probably be a better fit overall.

for now.. then you have OS updates, etc.

 

win7 easily goes over 30gb.

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I actually like windows 8. I don't say nice things about Windows very often, but I actually like what Microsoft has been doing lately.
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If Microsoft can add another 64 Gb by $100 why does Apple charge that much for an extra 16 Gb.
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Good luck.
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for now.. then you have OS updates, etc.

win7 easily goes over 30gb.

I'm basing mine estimate on their system requirements for WIn8: "Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)." That doesn't include Office or any other apps that might come standard on the device, but it also doesn't include any code or drivers that might be removed because it's not needed on the Surface Pro, so I left it at 20GB.

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Are they serious? Lol
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If Microsoft can add another 64 Gb by $100 why does Apple charge that much for an extra 16 Gb.

or... they charge the same for doubling memory.

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It cannot be stressed enough...

 

DOA
 

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If Microsoft can add another 64 Gb by $100 why does Apple charge that much for an extra 16 Gb.


Because it can?

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MS has had to eat some profit on the NAND by starting with more capacity than what other vendors use for mobile devices. The Surface RT at $499 has 32GB which seems like 2x as much capacity than the 16GB iPad but Surface RT needs about 16GB for the OS and pre-installed apps.
I expect the Surface Pro to come in at about 20GB which would give the remaining capacity for a 32GB model around 10GB of usable space. A 64GB and 128GB Surface would then have around 39GB and 100GB of usable capacity, respectively.
For those prices (which you also have to include an additional $129 for the TypeCover) I would rather just get a MBA. Or for those that really hate Apple then any Ultrabook would probably be a better fit overall.

I get all the criticism- but everyone comparing this with the MacBook Air is missing the point. They are trying to replace the MacBook Air and also have it double as your tablet. Only having 1 device instead of two. So to get an accurate price, you need to add an iPad WITH the MacBook Air price. This is a tablet- let's remember.
Just trying to be fair.

Me? I'd rather (and do) have an air and an iPad and would prefer the two. 1smile.gif

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Because it can?

Well so far it can.  They did lose one mini sale though because of it.  My son wants an ereader.  I considered spending a bit more and getting him a mini.  But a 16 Gb iPad is about as useless as a 64 Gb Surface and the price of the 32 Gb model is a bit much so he's getting an e-ink kindle.

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It cannot be stressed enough...

DOA

 
But but but it has a stylus and a touch screen. That kicks the MBA's ass don't you know? /s

Seriously why is this thing being compared to the MBA. Shouldn't it be compared to Wintel Ultrabooks?
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But but but it has a stylus and a touch screen. That kicks the MBA's ass don't you know? /s
Seriously why is this thing being compared to the MBA. Shouldn't it be compared to Wintel Ultrabooks?

who is buying them?

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Well so far it can.  They did lose one mini sale though because of it.  My son wants an ereader.  I considered spending a bit more and getting him a mini.  But a 16 Gb iPad is about as useless as a 64 Gb Surface and the price of the 32 Gb model is a bit much so he's getting an e-ink kindle.

what about when your son wants to listen to music, play games, show his tablet to his girl, use tablet apps instead of phone apps, etc. will you be ok with it?

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I get all the criticism- but everyone comparing this with the MacBook Air is missing the point. They are trying to replace the MacBook Air and also have it double as your tablet. Only having 1 device instead of two. So to get an accurate price, you need to add an iPad WITH the MacBook Air price. This is a tablet- let's remember.
Just trying to be fair.
Me? I'd rather (and do) have an air and an iPad and would prefer the two. 1smile.gif

But that's just it, I think most people will be served better by two devices that are designed to excel with a UI and HW for the intended I/O. This is just not it. It's like only having a Swiss Army Knife for being a lumberjack and a handyman. Sure, the SAK has a saw and screwdriver and I guess you can use it to bash in nails but it's not exactly a great tool for any specific occupation. Unfortunately what has MS been telling us is that Surface is the ideal tool for notebook and tablet users... but it's not. It's only great for very specific use cases and because of that it won't ever sell a lot of units.

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post #29 of 120
Looks cheap, thick and ugly and the user interface is full of wasted space.

I don't think Microsoft understand the rules of the game they are playing.
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Sheesh! A laptop without the lap!
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This thing called Surface Pro has identify crisis. On the 1 hand, you're somewhat a tablet and run some tablet apps (won't be a lot compared to iPad), on the other hand you're kinda a laptop/desktop by running those win 7 desktop apps, except those apps won't be usable with touch, so you'd need a mouse/keyboard combo for those. Seems like anyone using it will switch btw tablet mode and desktop mode a lot, especially if you want to mulit-task Office work and then some casual stuffs. It's a confusing product.

 

The Specs are ok for the price, but i think consumers will return this thing in high %.

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for now.. then you have OS updates, etc.

win7 easily goes over 30gb.

Including the Windows page file, the backup files for patches, and registry? I expect 30gb to be rather limiting. When I build modern PCs, I make sure there is at least 100GB of free space on the C: drive, and I don't install applications there, because each application will install shared DLLs, dot net assemblies in the GAC or runtime libraries in WinSxS, all eating away at the C: drive. You can detach a keyboard from an Ultrabook and call it a tablet, but that doesn't create a post-PC experience.

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Well so far it can.  They did lose one mini sale though because of it.  My son wants an ereader.  I considered spending a bit more and getting him a mini.  But a 16 Gb iPad is about as useless as a 64 Gb Surface and the price of the 32 Gb model is a bit much so he's getting an e-ink kindle.

 

If your son wanted an eReader, then why would even consider a tablet? The Kindle is $79.

 

How exactly is a 16GB iPad useless?

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They should advertise that as a 48GB model. MS doesn't count the space taken by the Surface OS (Windows RT), which takes up some 12 GB..lol

They've already been hit with a lawsuit over it.
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They should advertise that as a 48GB model. MS doesn't count the space taken by the Surface OS (Windows RT), which takes up some 12 GB..lol
They've already been hit with a lawsuit over it.

I disagree with that lawsuit. It's foolish for anyone to expect the capacity of HW storage to be the same as the capacity after formatting with an OS and numerous apps installed. That has never been how drives were sold in the past.

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I get all the criticism- but everyone comparing this with the MacBook Air is missing the point. They are trying to replace the MacBook Air and also have it double as your tablet. Only having 1 device instead of two. So to get an accurate price, you need to add an iPad WITH the MacBook Air price. This is a tablet- let's remember.
Just trying to be fair.
Me? I'd rather (and do) have an air and an iPad and would prefer the two. 1smile.gif
Good luck to MS or any other PC OEM in marketing that. I'd be curious to know how many people actually use Surface as a tablet since most, if not all of MS marketing shows it landscape with the keyboard connected. And most of the reviews I've read give it poor marks when using it in portrait mode. When I think of a tablet I think of something thin and light. That's NOT what I think when I see the Surface Pro.
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I disagree with that lawsuit. It's foolish for anyone to expect the capacity of HW storage to be the same as the capacity after formatting with an OS and numerous apps installed. That has never been how drives were sold in the past.

that's totally different from advertising something with X amount of memory but giving only X/2 memory.

 

that's a scam right there. 32-16.

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But that's just it, I think most people will be served better by two devices that are designed to excel with a UI and HW for the intended I/O. This is just not it. It's like only having a Swiss Army Knife for being a lumberjack and a handyman. Sure, the SAK has a saw and screwdriver and I guess you can use it to bash in nails but it's not exactly a great tool for any specific occupation. Unfortunately what has MS been telling us is that Surface is the ideal tool for notebook and tablet users... but it's not. It's only great for very specific use cases and because of that it won't ever sell a lot of units.
But Sinofsky said it's not a tablet but its the best tablet he's ever used and its not a laptop but the best laptop he's ever used. Really they should have called it Unicorn instead of Surface. 1cool.gif
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Good luck to MS or any other PC OEM in marketing that. I'd be curious to know how many people actually use Surface as a tablet since most, if not all of MS marketing shows it landscape with the keyboard connected. And most of the reviews I've read give it poor marks when using it in portrait mode. When I think of a tablet I think of something thin and light. That's NOT what I think when I see the Surface Pro.

It's actually a huge pain switching to portrait mode. I assume you'd also lose the ability to use ClearType (something MS has touted as a feature) because that relies on sub-pixel rendering.

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post #40 of 120
$899 if MS makes it with minimum profit it would probably cost more if any other company tries to make it adding some profit margin.
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