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Developers on Monday were provided with the third pre-release beta of iOS 6.1, Apple's forthcoming software update for the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.

The update is available through Software Update in the iOS Settings application. People familiar with the software said it is identified as build "10B5117b." It arrives three weeks after the second beta was issued.

One person testing the software shared with AppleInsider that users are now asked to enter security questions for iCloud once their device boots up. This feature was not in previous betas of iOS 6.1.

The iOS 6.1 beta is compatible with the fourth-, third- and second-generation iPad, iPad mini, iPhone 5, iPhone 4S, iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, and the fifth- and fourth-generation iPod touch. Apple informed developers that the beta "contains bug fixes and improvements."

Earlier betas of iOS 6.1 added the ability to purchase movie tickets through Fandango with Siri.

iOS 6.1


The first two betas of iOS 6.1 also featured an enhanced Map Kit framework that will allow developers to search for map-based addresses in points of interest. In one example provided to developers, users could search the term "coffee," and the system would return the location of local coffee bars along with information about each one.
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Must have JUST rolled out, it's still not available via OTA update on the phone itself yet.
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I'm happy that an update is coming but does anybody know if the update app is getting fixed? Update is just flaky on both the iPad and their phone.
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iOS is seeming old fashioned to me. More and more is annoying me. Like why am I always getting n's and m's between words. Can't the OS learn to give me one more millimeter on those letters? Or for God's sake, when I type, "thisnisnreallynannoying" how hard is it to see that the n's should be spaces?

Also, the icons on the home screen -- I hate the way they act when you're trying to move them around.

And the auto-dimmer. In the initial iOS 6 it was all the way sensitive, now it seems like it doesn't even work.

No contrast, white balance, saturation, sharpness in the photo app? And don't get me started on iOS iPhoto.

And why can't I send files quickly back and forth from mac to iOS and vice versa? I really have to email myself a photo to get it from one device to the other? Doesn't Lion have feature where it senses other devices nearby... Airdrop? Why can't I airdrop back and forth?

And I'll tell you what, after the bajillionth time of pulling out of an app in a folder or an app in the Newstand and then thinking I'll be on the home screen, but I have to bust out of the fence with the home button one more time to be there I feel like I'm about to smash this thing into the wall.

I know, I know, the OS is great in so many ways, I know: If you don't like it don't use it, yada, yada, yada. I'm griping because these are obvious usability issues that have been in place for YEARS. If kicking Forstall to the curb means stuff like this gets fixed then THANK YOU.

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Originally Posted by Shogun View Post
Or for God's sake, when I type, "thisnisnreallynannoying" how hard is it to see that the n's should be spaces?

 

10001000

 

Fairly.


Doesn't Lion have feature where it senses other devices nearby... Airdrop? Why can't I airdrop back and forth?

 

AirDrop forces all devices in question to BE IN AirDrop to even see devices available for AirDrop. I think that's total crap, but that's me.


And I'll tell you what, after the bajillionth time of pulling out of an app in a folder or an app in the Newstand and then thinking I'll be on the home screen, but I have to bust out of the fence with the home button one more time to be there I feel like I'm about to smash this thing into the wall.

 

Maybe treat your devices better and the Home Button won't break?

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Maybe treat your devices better and the Home Button won't break?

Sorry, perhaps I misspoke.  The home button is fine.  But when you're in a newspaper app through Newsstand, when you hit the home button to get out of the newspaper and into the app page it dumps you back into newsstand.  You have to hit it again to get to the home screen of apps.  So we've been taught that no matter what app you're in you can hit the home button to get back to your home screen of app icons, except now there's this subset of apps that BY DESIGN do not function that way.  It's seriously annoying.  I see no functional purpose for this behavior and it ticks me off every time it happens.

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Perhaps the update will fix the bizarre charging problem I have with my iPhone 4....have to plug connector in, then remove, then plug back in, for my phone to charge.  Never happened on iOS 5, started immediately after upgrading to iOS 6.  

 

Really not a big issue at all as I do it without thinking now, but just sort of bizarre.  

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Originally Posted by Shogun View Post
But when you're in a newspaper app through Newsstand, when you hit the home button to get out of the newspaper and into the app page it dumps you back into newsstand.  You have to hit it again to get to the home screen of apps.

 

Well, yeah. That's how it works for folders, too. Newsstand is a folder. Think of it as such and it makes sense. It operates like a folder in that it drops down within the Springboard, it can't be put into a folder (can't nest folders), and no content outside it is accessible without closing it.

 

Whether Newsstand SHOULD be a folder is another argument, though. I'm of the belief that Newsstand (and iTunes U) should be merged with iBooks as simply a category therein. iTunes U would have its same background of darker, richer wood, and Newsstand would be given a background of metal shelving, similar to, you know, an actual newsstand. I like this idea, but hey.

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Well, yeah. That's how it works for folders, too. Newsstand is a folder

 

This is a UI usability nightmare, I suggest.  

 

It's like teaching people the power button will turn power on or off, unless the clock is within five minutes to the hour, in which case your power button will activate an ear piercing siren noise...   How is it like this?  Well, are you going to check the clock every single time you want to power down or power up your computer?  No.  Your mind is on other things.  And you know how the power button works.  You've internalized the function and memorized its use.  So you get ticked every time you get the siren because why are there two different functions for the same UI?

 

If you're teaching us that the home button leaves your app and sends you back to the app screen where you can open another app -- and this is not only the 6-years-and-running teaching, but it's still true for 90+% of your apps, then why does it sometimes send me to a crazy intermediate screen?  Either the folder, or the newsstand.  This is dumb.  

 

I don't want to constantly be thinking, "Oh wait, I'm about to hit the home button.  What app am I in?  Okay, now is this a newsstand app?  No.  Okay, but wait, is it in a folder?"

 

Thus my initial rant.  I think iOS has some clunky vestiges in it that make it annoying to use.  So let's soften the rough edges.  Methinks version 6 is plenty advanced enough to expect as much. 

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Any sign of multi-user log-in coming to iOS?

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Originally Posted by kevt View Post
Any sign of multi-user log-in coming to iOS?

 

Of course not.

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Well, yeah. That's how it works for folders, too. Newsstand is a folder.

 

Trouble is, I can delete other folders. I can't delete Newsstand.

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Ohh, I am guessing that it will be public in January or March.
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I'm happy that an update is coming but does anybody know if the update app is getting fixed? Update is just flaky on both the iPad and their phone.

The update app is not flakey. It works fine.

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Any sign of multi-user log-in coming to iOS?

 

Why?

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Any sign of multi-user log-in coming to iOS?

Why?

Because of the iPad as well as to be able to manage work and home profiles.
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"Any sign of multi-user log-in coming to iOS?"

in a .x version ? of course not.

and I hope never and to forget that all complexity !

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When some people speak about how much to go back to folder (or newstand) is usability nightmare, I _DO_ hope we will see NEVER the coming back of "multi user" complexity.
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Or for God's sake, when I type, "thisnisnreallynannoying" how hard is it to see that the n's should be spaces?

I don't get why you would type an 'n' instead of using the space bar and then complain that the system doesn't pick up on your code to have certain 'n's replaced with spaces.

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While we are creating a wish list. I would like to be able to set which Calendars I see in the Notifications dropdown and get alearts for. I have many shared calendars that I like to follow in the Calendar app but I don't need alerts for all of them. This has been an issue since of the iOS 5 versions. How can it not be resolved yet. :/

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File a bug report guys.
I'm a iOS developer and the engineers at apple really look at the reports.
http://techtips.salon.com/report-bug-iphone-3668.html
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This is a UI usability nightmare, I suggest.  

 

It's like teaching people the power button will turn power on or off, unless the clock is within five minutes to the hour, in which case your power button will activate an ear piercing siren noise...  

 

The home screen UI follows a pretty simple principle:   When you open an app from the home screen, pressing Home takes you back to the page and folder that you were looking at.  (Search is an exception.)

 

Why is this a good design?

  • When you accidentally press the Home button, it's very easy to correct your mistake.  Just tap the app again.  No need to find the folder again.
  • When you open a folder and tap the wrong app, it's very easy to correct your mistake.  Just press Home and then tap on the correct app.  No need to find the folder again.
  • When you're working with related apps, this reduces the amount of work required to switch between them.  For example, I have a "News" folder with a bunch of the news apps (Hourly News, Reeder, etc.) that I check on a regular basis.  I can easily open the News folder, open Hourly News, play the news, press Home, then open Reeder.  This would be more tedious if home screen folders closed automatically.
  • It prevents the Home button from being disorienting.  You can immediately recognize where you are.  Same page, same folder open.  (It sounds like you're asking for "same page, no folder open" which doesn't sound clearly better or less confusing.)
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The home screen UI follows a pretty simple principle:   When you open an app from the home screen, pressing Home takes you back to the page and folder that you were looking at.  (Search is an exception.)

Why is this a good design?
  • When you accidentally press the Home button, it's very easy to correct your mistake.  Just tap the app again.  No need to find the folder again.
  • When you open a folder and tap the wrong app, it's very easy to correct your mistake.  Just press Home and then tap on the correct app.  No need to find the folder again.
  • When you're working with related apps, this reduces the amount of work required to switch between them.  For example, I have a "News" folder with a bunch of the news apps (Hourly News, Reeder, etc.) that I check on a regular basis.  I can easily open the News folder, open Hourly News, play the news, press Home, then open Reeder.  This would be more tedious if home screen folders closed automatically.
  • It prevents the Home button from being disorienting.  You can immediately recognize where you are.  Same page, same folder open.  (It sounds like you're asking for "same page, no folder open" which doesn't sound clearly better or less confusing.)

Great first post!

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Well, yeah. That's how it works for folders, too. Newsstand is a folder. Think of it as such and it makes sense. It operates like a folder in that it drops down within the Springboard, it can't be put into a folder (can't nest folders), and no content outside it is accessible without closing it.

 

Whether Newsstand SHOULD be a folder is another argument, though. I'm of the belief that Newsstand (and iTunes U) should be merged with iBooks as simply a category therein. iTunes U would have its same background of darker, richer wood, and Newsstand would be given a background of metal shelving, similar to, you know, an actual newsstand. I like this idea, but hey.

 

You people and your "skeumorphism".  Fake wood, geez.  It should all be on a background of sterile white.  That is design!

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I don't get why you would type an 'n' instead of using the space bar and then complain that the system doesn't pick up on your code to have certain 'n's replaced with spaces.

Because it's a virtual keyboard that is supposed to obsolete physical keyboards. Since the virtual keyboard does not provide the ability to touch type, it might as well run some heuristics in order to identify potential typos, such as people occasionally touching N or M rather than space. This problem annoys me as well, because I find it unproductive to look at the keyboard as I type, especially if I have one or more fingers covering it. Ideally one shouldn't even have to look at the keyboard; the software should be able to recognize what we want to type based on the relative position of our taps, by comparing what could possibly be there in a QWERTY keyboard to what makes sense in the context of the word that we're typing.

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and I hope never and to forget that all complexity !

What complexity? All UNIX clones, Darwin (and thus, iOS) included, have a privilege system built into the kernel!

EDIT: IOS even borrows code from TrustedBSD to implement its sandbox!
Edited by Vaelian - 12/4/12 at 2:37am
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iOS needs webOS style multitasking.
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Originally Posted by iSteelers View Post
You people and your "skeumorphism".  Fake wood, geez.  It should all be on a background of sterile white.  That is design!

 

White text. White drop shadow behind the text to make it stand out.


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iOS needs webOS style multitasking.

 

No.

 

Er, I mean, why?

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Any sign of the myriad of bluetooth problems using iPhones in cars being fixed?
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Why so dismissive? I think this would be a great idea on a family iPad. Each family member has their own user, their own apps and their own customisations. If one account gets corrupted or, God forbid, infected by malware, you login to the admin user and delete the account. Each account would also be able to sync with it's own iTunes library/Apple ID.

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Why so dismissive? I think this would be a great idea on a family iPad. Each family member has their own user, their own apps and their own customisations.

 

The idea is to have your own device. You'll notice Android doesn't even do this. Wonder why.

 

 If one account gets corrupted or, God forbid, infected by malware…

 

Except that won't be happening… at all. And if it did, the entire device would be compromised.

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Why so dismissive? I think this would be a great idea on a family iPad. Each family member has their own user, their own apps and their own customisations. If one account gets corrupted or, God forbid, infected by malware, you login to the admin user and delete the account. Each account would also be able to sync with it's own iTunes library/Apple ID.

 

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The idea is to have your own device. You'll notice Android doesn't even do this. Wonder why.

Tallest, Android does offer multi-user support so no need to wonder about it. I meant to set this up on a Nexus7 last evening but got side-tracked.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/android/21327/android-42-multiuser-support

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"Any sign of multi-user log-in coming to iOS?"
in a .x version ? of course not.
and I hope never and to forget that all complexity !
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When some people speak about how much to go back to folder (or newstand) is usability nightmare, I _DO_ hope we will see NEVER the coming back of "multi user" complexity.

It doesn't have to be complex. See the link in the preceding post. Personally I think it would be a great convenience to a lot of iPad users who could put a wall between their children's apps and such and those meant for the adult in the house. So Apple might not sell a few multiple iPads to a single household. Overall I think it would actually increase sales, being more attractive to families on a budget with multiple potential users. 

 

That's beside the fact it would fit right in with Cooks and Ive's declaration that it's not about the money anyway but instead the best possible user experience, right?


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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post
Tallest, Android does offer multi-user support so no need to wonder about it.

 

Huh. And that's fairly recent, too. Thanks!

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