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Apple to restore duplicate song search in forthcoming iTunes 11 update

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Though the ability to identify duplicate songs has disappeared with the release of iTunes 11, Apple is said to be working on reinstitution the feature in a future update.

The departure of the duplicate song finder in iTunes 11 was noted as a "drawback" in Walt Mossberg's review of the software. But the Wall Street Journal tech columnist also noted that Apple officials indicated to him the function will "soon be restored in a minor update of the program."

In previous versions of iTunes, users were given an option called "Display Exact Duplicates." This feature would help users to clean up their music library by displaying songs that had multiple copies.

While that feature will reportedly return to iTunes 11, other functions removed from the latest update are not returning. That includes browsing album covers through the Cover Flow carousel, a feature that Apple told Mossberg was considered useful by "too few users."

Mossberg also experienced some album covers that were missing in the album view option in iTunes 11. He was told by Apple that this "rare bug" has already been solved, and will be fixed in a minor update that will arrive soon.

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Apple is also said to be aware of a bug that can prevent Apple TV users from wirelessly streaming cloud-based movies to the set-top box. A fix for that issue is also said to be on its way.

iTunes 11 was released last week, bringing with it an overhauled user interface that aims to be cleaner and less cluttered than its predecessor. Despite a new look and feel, many of the features found in previous versions of iTunes remain or can be restored, such as the dedicated sidebar.
post #2 of 72
How about adding the cover art back to the bottom left corner when viewing in list view (and have sidebar open). I am not the only person who feels this way. Check out Apple's own forums. Rookie move, Apple, Rookie move.

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I'd like to see a smarter "remove duplicates" that doesn't rely exclusively on the song title but rather matches by rhythm signatures. Apple actually patented something like this quite a while ago - I'm remembering it being in the 2006-ish timeframe.
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I used to find it didnt work properly as it would match ones which weren't the same - different versions, different orchestra but same piece, or quite frankly you would have two tracks which were the same but from two different albums which you wanted to keep in tact. So it's not great loss for me. but for those who like it it was a curious omission.
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I used to find it didnt work properly as it would match ones which weren't the same - different versions, different orchestra but same piece, or quite frankly you would have two tracks which were the same but from two different albums which you wanted to keep in tact. So it's not great loss for me. but for those who like it it was a curious omission.

I think you hit the nail on the head. They only way to remove/prevent bloat is to remove features not widely used.

Add to that, the focus is now on full screen, and that view is less useful in Full Screen, IMO
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Lack of gapless playback option is my biggest concern. That's a step way back in terms of functionality.
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Though the ability to identify duplicate songs has disappeared with the release of iTunes 11, Apple is said to be working on reinstitution the feature in a future update.

 

This sentence is the main one that appears on the home page, not sure the terminology for that, however it is important to note the grammatical error [reinstitution] as opposed to [reinstituting]. Just FYI. Also, I feel like that would be beneficial, especially with a library that has resulted from importing many actual albums, and CD's to the point of filling a 2TB hard-drive, being able to identify when a song is duplicate is important, whether it be by rhythm analysis or by song-title. As long as the option to chose which one, or if both are kept before the song is deleted.

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I'd like to see better aesthetics in the top main control bar.

 

If you compare iTunes 10 and iTunes 11 side by side, you will notice that the aesthetics are much nicer in 10. 

The top control bar looks very busy if you have AppleTVs with the airplay button thrown in there similar to the iPad.

The new LCD also looks so busy that you have to be careful when you drag the window not to push a button or pull down a menu by mistake.

 

The controls no longer look consistent with other Mac applications such as Safari, the Finder, Mail client etc...

The Mac OS X controls should have their own unique aesthetics and not simply made to look like the iPad or iPhone.

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Lack of gapless playback option is my biggest concern. That's a step way back in terms of functionality.

I'm pretty sure I still have that.

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How about adding the cover art back to the bottom left corner when viewing in list view (and have sidebar open). I am not the only person who feels this way. Check out Apple's own forums. Rookie move, Apple, Rookie move.
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I really wouldn't want to see that unless one is using the Side Bar. Still, I think it's nicer when it shows up at the top. You can double-click the small album cover to get a larger one with controls.

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I'm pretty sure I still have that.

 

It's half working...  Any songs that were already setup will still do their Gapless thing, but anything you add from here on out will not have the option to use Gapless playback, and you may not change the Gapless settings on already setup content.

 

Let's hope they are still working on it.

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Any feature that is missing will eventually be added back in, they released this build with all of the essentials and now have time to catch up. I hope they decide to add coverflow back, not everyone's cup of tea but I loved using it.

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I'd like to see better aesthetics in the top main control bar.

If you compare iTunes 10 and iTunes 11 side by side, you will notice that the aesthetics are much nicer in 10. 

Personal opinion and not universal. I myself prefer the new look.
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The Mac OS X controls should have their own unique aesthetics and not simply made to look like the iPad or iPhone

Again, opinion only.

More folks are likely concerned with getting what they need to get done and not how the controls look. So this 'issue' of the computer looking too 'device' hasn't and won't concern them

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post #14 of 72
I miss cover flow.
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This is kind of obvious isn't it?  I mean there are so many things missing from this iTunes and so many obvious "placeholders" in the design for more features or more control that it's pretty obviously a beta of a whole new version.  The sad little dialogue box for the view options for instance is totally, obviously, completely not finished at all.  Most of the things they took out are sadly things that I used a lot, but as with all Apple software, they wont' tell us why they took these things out, or whether they will eventually find their way back.  The customer just has to deal with it and hope for the best.  That's just the way Apple works.  

 

A few things I noticed missing:

 

- Coverflow

- Black background option

- Genre Art for movies and TV shows (also can no longer be set by user)

- Sorting of TV shows is borked (again)

- Cover art of TV shows for individual seasons (no longer shows)

 

Also, I gave it a good try the last few days, but I must say the new UI is both more confusing and just generally sucky. There are all kinds of dumbass fails all the way through the new software.  For instance to see what's on your attached devices you have to click a button (labelled "iPod" or "iPhone etc.), but this same button ejects the device if clicked slightly differently. There are lots of little places where you can get stuck and your only option is to back out and start looking all over again. 

 

IMO this is pretty obviously a 64bit (finally) beta of a whole new product and won't be much fun to use for at least a few versions.  iTunes is a very important product for Apple so they probably have like five developers working on it, but even so it will take some time before it's all working again because at Apple, it isn't done right, until it's been done very very slowly with as few developers working on it (between fishing trips) as they can possibly manage.   

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I'd like to see better aesthetics in the top main control bar.

 

If you compare iTunes 10 and iTunes 11 side by side, you will notice that the aesthetics are much nicer in 10. 

The top control bar looks very busy if you have AppleTVs with the airplay button thrown in there similar to the iPad.

The new LCD also looks so busy that you have to be careful when you drag the window not to push a button or pull down a menu by mistake.

 

The controls no longer look consistent with other Mac applications such as Safari, the Finder, Mail client etc...

The Mac OS X controls should have their own unique aesthetics and not simply made to look like the iPad or iPhone.

 

I agree.  While aesthetics can be subjective and individual, that gigantic square window in the title bar is just ugly no matter how you look at it.  It's kind of a poor design for other reasons too, but I can't imagine what they could do instead, so maybe they just ran out of ideas also.  

 

It's intended to be like the display on a physical media player, so it's skeuomorphic, but perhaps because they are sensitive to all the nerd complaints about skeuomorphism, they have tried to turn it into something else, but it's sort of stuck half-way now.  It no longer looks like a display from a real-world media player machine, but it's not strictly a programmatic thing either.  It's sort of neither.  It looks especially ugly and especially out of place on a 30" monitor as do most of the new features in iTunes 11.  

 

If you use it full screen on a 30" display, almost all the views in iTunes 11 leave the right hand side of the screen (40% roughly), as a plain white square that cannot even be changed.  This is hideous to say the least.  I think they were so focussed on making the UI work on a small screen that they didn't have time to make it look good on a larger one.  

 

The whole iTunes 11 product seems aimed at a 1024x768 resolution which is the only way it really looks any good.  

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I really wouldn't want to see that unless one is using the Side Bar. Still, I think it's nicer when it shows up at the top. You can double-click the small album cover to get a larger one with controls.


But that extra window either is floating to the side of the main iTunes window and thus by default showing distracting background below and above that square album art window or it is floating above the main which means it disappears behind the main window every time you interact in any way with iTunes by clicking in its main window.

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If you use it full screen on a 30" display, almost all the views in iTunes 11 leave the right hand side of the screen (40% roughly), as a plain white square that cannot even be changed.  This is hideous to say the least.  I think they were so focussed on making the UI work on a small screen that they didn't have time to make it look good on a larger one.  

 

The whole iTunes 11 product seems aimed at a 1024x768 resolution which is the only way it really looks any good.  

Nobody forces you to switch iTunes into fullscreen mode on larger monitors. In fact, a lot of applications don't make much sense in fullscreen mode on 20+" monitors. That does not make them badly designed apps. Would you ever complain that a text editor looks weird when used in fullscreen mode on a 30" monitor?

 

Your point is probably that things like album view would look good if they filled a 30" monitor. I am not so sure, already on a 20" monitor album view looks like a bit too much information.

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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

If you use it full screen on a 30" display, almost all the views in iTunes 11 leave the right hand side of the screen (40% roughly), as a plain white square that cannot even be changed.

 

Well, that's just wrong. Outright.

 

The whole iTunes 11 product seems aimed at a 1024x768 resolution which is the only way it really looks any good.  

 

iTunes and Aperture are the only applications I have take up my entire screen. They both work marvelously that way.

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How about adding the cover art back to the bottom left corner when viewing in list view (and have sidebar open). I am not the only person who feels this way. Check out Apple's own forums. Rookie move, Apple, Rookie move.
I've already downgraded.

Too trigger happy, lamewing. 

 

When you play a song click once on the thumbnail in at the top of iTunes (or in mini player) and the album art will pop up like a quickview image. This image will update as the songs change. You can also control the music by mousing over the image.

 

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Too trigger happy, lamewing. 

 

What do you expect from him?

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The roll-out of iTunes to a few new countries may be causing some user issues today. According to tweets there's some global outages of both iTunes and the Appstore. The addition of porn links in the Russian iTunes store is just a bonus.1devil.gif

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-screws-up-its-itunes-launch-in-russia-shows-users-porn-sites-2012-12

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post #23 of 72

So let me get this straight...iTunes 10 was a horrible mess that needed to be fixed ASAP and now iTunes 11 is a horrible mess that needs to be fixed ASAP.  Is anyone ever happy?  Have we lost sight of the adapt and overcome part of life?

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I miss the grid view option. I'm sure it's only available in selected views (e.g. playlists and albums).
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Yeah, no spin in any of those related stories, I'll say. None whatsoever.

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When you rip classical CDs (and some of us do - today physical CDs of classical music are cheaper than file downloads, and gives you an automatic backup), iTunes usually can't find the album art (or it finds the wrong art). If it finds the album art, it will be embedded in the library file, and not in the music file, which means that the album art is lost if you move the file to another library, or play it through another system (like Sonos wireless).

In iTunes 10 you could use the field in the bottom left corner to copy and paste album art that would be embedded in the file, not in the library file. I cannot find a simple way to do that any more. The only way now is to find the album art on the internet, select the album (or work - I usually group music by work, not album - each album typically consists of many works) or albums, choose Show Info, and paste it in the info-window. This is a lot of extra work that was not necessary in iTunes 10.

Also - some times iTunes would find the album art for one work on the album, but not on the others. In iTunes 10 you could just copy the album art from the field in the bottom left corner, in iTunes 11 you can't.

Any workarounds?

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If it finds the album art, it will be embedded in the library file, and not in the music file, which means that the album art is lost if you move the file to another library, or play it through another system (like Sonos wireless).

 

That… doesn't make sense. Did it just start doing that?

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No. It has been doing that all along as far as I know. Whether the album art is conserved across systems depends on how it is imported in the first place. I have 3 copies of my library on different Macs, and some times the album art doesn't survive when I copy from one library to another.

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No. It has been doing that all along as far as I know.

 

Never happened to any of my files.

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Happens all the time here.

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When you play a song click once on the thumbnail in at the top of iTunes (or in mini player) and the album art will pop up like a quickview image. This image will update as the songs change. You can also control the music by mousing over the image.

 

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And now that cover art is covering part of iTunes window and it is (a) an extra click to get to these covered controls and (b) after accessing any extra controls that cover art window is hidden behind the main iTunes window and requires an extra click to be visible again.

 

I've tried it but bringing that window back into the foreground after every single interaction with iTunes beyond start/stop and skip becomes tired very quickly. And while just browsing your library (in list mode), there is no visual feedback at all anymore (this extra window only shows playing songs, not selected ones).

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So let me get this straight...iTunes 10 was a horrible mess that needed to be fixed ASAP and now iTunes 11 is a horrible mess that needs to be fixed ASAP.  Is anyone ever happy?  Have we lost sight of the adapt and overcome part of life?

 

Why should we have to adapt and overcome?   Why does Apple keep taking away functionality and making applications worse instead of better?   If they can't make it better, then they shouldn't change the UI.   I've written separately (probably in the thread about the iTunes 11 release) about all the things I find bad about the iTunes11 UI.  It's not that I can't use it.   It's not that it's that important to me either way because the main thing I do with it is to simply add tracks and then sync to the iPhone.  But from a UI design and from an aesthetics standpoint, I think it's really pretty bad.   And while aesthetics are subjective, it looks to me more like an ugly enterprise product (which I'm forced to work on every day) that's built on a grid toolbase than anything that would be associated with Apple.   Apple used to be the best of anyone at this.    Now I frequently see better UI from the competition.    (I used to say at work, "Apple would never build an app that looks like this."  Now I can't say that anymore.)

 

Personally, I don't think this UI could be used by a neophyte user without specific instruction.    Since you have to place a library track into a playlist in order to move that track to another device, it made sense to always have the library and playlist display in the left hand navigation.    Now you only have it in certain views.  There are tons of other problems.

 

Apple used to be brilliant at improving UI over time.   They were brilliant at making sure that apps worked property and that instructions and error messages to users were perfectly constructed to convey what they were supposed to convey.    I have an Apple doc from decades ago demonstrating all the research they did just to find the right phrase to ask users as to whether or not they were using a color monitor so that there would be no misinterpretation.   I have seen so many incomprehensible instructions and error messages from Apple lately that I feel like programmers are writing the error messages with no supervision instead of people who understand language and syntax.    

 

It's not that its unusable, it's just terribly disappointing.  

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There are a few things that I find really annoying. 

Moving the artist browser to the top instead of the left takes up tons and tons of unnesseasry screen space.

These little arrows that pop up when you hover over songs - I keep clicking them on accident, and they don't show any more info than a simple right click does.

Getting a bit tired of Apple trying to fix what isn't broken, and not giving more options to customize the simple features. The new style is a step in the right direction, but the update overall feels like form over function. 

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Why should we have to adapt and overcome?   Why does Apple keep taking away functionality and making applications worse instead of better?   If they can't make it better, then they shouldn't change the UI.   I've written separately (probably in the thread about the iTunes 11 release) about all the things I find bad about the iTunes11 UI.  It's not that I can't use it.   It's not that it's that important to me either way because the main thing I do with it is to simply add tracks and then sync to the iPhone.  But from a UI design and from an aesthetics standpoint, I think it's really pretty bad.   And while aesthetics are subjective, it looks to me more like an ugly enterprise product (which I'm forced to work on every day) that's built on a grid toolbase than anything that would be associated with Apple.   Apple used to be the best of anyone at this.    Now I frequently see better UI from the competition.    (I used to say at work, "Apple would never build an app that looks like this."  Now I can't say that anymore.)

 

Personally, I don't think this UI could be used by a neophyte user without specific instruction.    Since you have to place a library track into a playlist in order to move that track to another device, it made sense to always have the library and playlist display in the left hand navigation.    Now you only have it in certain views.  There are tons of other problems.

 

Apple used to be brilliant at improving UI over time.   They were brilliant at making sure that apps worked property and that instructions and error messages to users were perfectly constructed to convey what they were supposed to convey.    I have an Apple doc from decades ago demonstrating all the research they did just to find the right phrase to ask users as to whether or not they were using a color monitor so that there would be no misinterpretation.   I have seen so many incomprehensible instructions and error messages from Apple lately that I feel like programmers are writing the error messages with no supervision instead of people who understand language and syntax.   

How can you say with any authority that the old design was better? You simply cannot know whether the new design works better for the majority of people or whether it works less good. We can express opinions, we can discuss individual aspects and features but we cannot state it as a fact that, eg, 'Apple is making applications worse instead of better'. That is imposing one's own opinion as a non-debatable fact.

 

And why should we adapt? Because otherwise we just get stuck in the echo chamber of our own whining. While that might be appealing initially, I don't think it is really helpful or rewarding in the longer term.

post #35 of 72

Gapless playback is gone?! WTH

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I'd like to see real progress; like displaying looked-up song lyrics that can be displayed as a song is playing, or an artist bio like is seen in Pandora. Or how about a tour schedule for bands as you play them. And the visualizers could be mush better, perhaps displaying the items I've suggested.Lots of stuff could be added to enhance the iTunes player.

 

With all the employees and cash that Apple has, it seems they let a lot of stuff languish.

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I'd like to see real progress…

 

You mean subjective progress.


…an artist bio like is seen in Pandora. Or how about a tour schedule for bands as you play them.

 

Sounds like Ping before people killed it. lol.gif


…the visualizers could be mush better…

 

Meaning?

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post #38 of 72
The iTunes Player looks and seems great but the cover flow should be a setting or just a box in corner because its bigger for people needing that more informational and could be designed better.
post #39 of 72
The gapless field was removed because it is for the most part needlessly redundant. For some time now, the iTunes application and Apple's iDevices playback as gapless by default already, regardless of whether the gapless field is checked.

In fact, for some time it's been difficult or impossible to disable gapless playback. But this is an entirely different complaint.
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And now that cover art is covering part of iTunes window and it is (a) an extra click to get to these covered controls and (b) after accessing any extra controls that cover art window is hidden behind the main iTunes window and requires an extra click to be visible again.

I've tried it but bringing that window back into the foreground after every single interaction with iTunes beyond start/stop and skip becomes tired very quickly. And while just browsing your library (in list mode), there is no visual feedback at all anymore (this extra window only shows playing songs, not selected ones).

I don't see why this is such an issue. How many people really feel as you do insofar that thumbnail size is too small but the single-click of the larger one is too big, despite being able to resize it to a 250x250 image.

I don't care for the MiniPlayer and the fact this isn't just a pic of the album cover but a resizable one with overlay controls means I don't have to have the entire window dedicated to my iTunes app.

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