Republican obstructionism has now officially jumped the shark

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Originally Posted by BR 

That was my reaction when Reid denied McConnell's motion to vote on the Obama fiscal cliff proposal.  Reid said the vote was just a political trick, and that the plan didn't even exist.  

Ah! Here they go! A good read and one I'm sure most conservatives are in denial about. The point is if they're really concerned about their agenda they should understand this will kill any support.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/13/15883979-first-thoughts-gop-goes-off-the-image-cliff?lite

Yes it's an opinion piece but it's very correct! Also the polls now are starting to back this up. I wouldn't want to be a Republican congressman right now. Yes both sides will take some blame however the mojority of Americans will be looking at the Republicans as the ones who are not compromising and this is again reflected in the polls.

Oh well.

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

Ah! Here they go! A good read and one I'm sure most conservatives are in denial about. The point is if they're really concerned about their agenda they should understand this will kill any support.

 

 

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/13/15883979-first-thoughts-gop-goes-off-the-image-cliff?lite

 

Yes it's an opinion piece but it's very correct! Also the polls now are starting to back this up. I wouldn't want to be a Republican congressman right now. Yes both sides will take some blame however the mojority of Americans will be looking at the Republicans as the ones who are not compromising and this is again reflected in the polls.

 

Oh well.

I realize you're happy about this, but I can't disagree that's the perception of Republicans.  However, I would caution you against thinking that it's the actual policies people object to. Polling shows that it's not...it's more a stigma around Republicans because they are Republicans.  The polling shows people prefer spending cuts over tax increases to fix the "fiscal cliff," for example.  

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Yes it's an opinion piece but it's very correct!

Translation: It's an opinion piece you agree with.

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Also the polls now are starting to back this up. I wouldn't want to be a Republican congressman right now. Yes both sides will take some blame however the mojority of Americans will be looking at the Republicans as the ones who are not compromising and this is again reflected in the polls.

This whole thing is not nearly as cut-and-dried as you imply.

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Yes it's an opinion piece but it's very correct!

 

Translation: It's an opinion piece you agree with.

 

 

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

Also the polls now are starting to back this up. I wouldn't want to be a Republican congressman right now. Yes both sides will take some blame however the mojority of Americans will be looking at the Republicans as the ones who are not compromising and this is again reflected in the polls.

 

 

 

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If there is no compromise on the fiscal cliff and the automatic tax increases and spending cuts go into effect at the beginning of next year, 24% say they will blame congressional Republicans more, while 19% will point the finger at Obama and congressional Democrats. But a majority of respondents (56%) say they’ll blame both sides equally.

 

This whole thing is not nearly as cut-and-dried as you imply.

If it was you offering support for your argument you'd put it the same way so that's just dumb.

No it's more cut and dried now.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/12/15870087-nbcwsj-poll-public-wants-compromise-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff?lite

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If it was you offering support for your argument you'd put it the same way so that's just dumb.

Huh? WTF are you talking about?

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No it's more cut and dried now.

 

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/12/15870087-nbcwsj-poll-public-wants-compromise-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff?lie

How does your link make it so? Just because you say so? The fact is that polls are actually keeping the issue less cut and dried for both sides.

And that's not even counting the fact that what the public wants may or may not be good policy.

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If it was you offering support for your argument you'd put it the same way so that's just dumb.

 

Huh? WTF are you talking about?

 

 

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No it's more cut and dried now.

 

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/12/15870087-nbcwsj-poll-public-wants-compromise-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff?lie

 

How does your link make it so? Just because you say so? The fact is that polls are actually keeping the issue less cut and dried for both sides.

 

And that's not even counting the fact that what the public wants may or may not be good policy.

I repeat :

That is just an excuse for a small faction of society to control the whole! This is a country where the majority rules by vote. It's been that way since the founding fathers who set things up that way ( you know the guys you keep going back to and I'm sure they wouldn't want a small faction to control the whole ). What you're suggesting is that a small faction can dictate policy to the whole. It's not what the American public wants MJ if you don't like things that way move.

Oh well.

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Interesting. Is that some sort of argument?

If anyone is burying their heads in the sand, it is Obama, the Democrats (and their supporters) and much of the American public regarding spending and the long-term fiscal outlook. I don't think most people get how serious the long-term outlook is and how it is so totally not going to be solved by taxing the rich.

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Interesting. Is that some sort of argument?

 

If anyone is burying their heads in the sand, it is Obama, the Democrats (and their supporters) and much of the American public regarding spending and the long-term fiscal outlook. I don't think most people get how serious the long-term outlook is and how it is so totally not going to be solved by taxing the rich.

What I like is how you keep talking about specific issue polling on taxes and spending, while jimmac keeps repeating the same polling data on perception/support for the GOP.  

MJ:  Polls show people prefer spending cuts to tax increases.

jimmac:  The GOP’s favorable/unfavorable rating in the poll now stands at 30 percent/45 percent (minus-15 points), which is down from 36 percent/43 percent (minus-7) right before the election.

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Interesting. Is that some sort of argument?

 

If anyone is burying their heads in the sand, it is Obama, the Democrats (and their supporters) and much of the American public regarding spending and the long-term fiscal outlook. I don't think most people get how serious the long-term outlook is and how it is so totally not going to be solved by taxing the rich.

Perhaps if you'd pull your head out of the sand you'd get your answers.

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Perhaps if you'd pull your head out of the sand you'd get your answers.

How cute.

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What I like about you is you're a constant source of the untruth. That was a new poll SDW.

So?  It has nothing to do with specific issue polling.  

Could be.  Again not the point.  

Yes, you could be right about that.  Annnnd yet again, that's not the point.  

First, yeah...you guessed it...not the point.  Secondly, what does "need to grow up" mean?  "Man up?"  You seem to be suggesting that the GOP just needs to cave on everything it stands for and gove Obama his way.  Somehow (you claim) this will help them politically.  

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What I like about you is you're a constant source of the untruth. That was a new poll SDW.

 

So?  It has nothing to do with specific issue polling.  

 

 

 

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You just don't get that the GOP is slowly sinking into the west ( blub, blub ) and they're doing it to themselves.

 

 

 

Could be.  Again not the point.  

 

 

 

 

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In the end they'll capitulate but only after they've done considerable damage to their character.

 

Yes, you could be right about that.  Annnnd yet again, that's not the point.  

 

 

 

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The GOP needs to change and grow up. The sooner they man up to this ( and stop listening to guys like Grover ) the better for them.

 

 

 

First, yeah...you guessed it...not the point.  Secondly, what does "need to grow up" mean?  "Man up?"  You seem to be suggesting that the GOP just needs to cave on everything it stands for and gove Obama his way.  Somehow (you claim) this will help them politically.  

Nope. They just need to compromise ( they haven't been even trying until recently ). That will help them politically as in having a future.

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Originally Posted by BR 

Republican politicians don't want to cave because they know they are full of shit and that what Obama proposes will improve the economy, but at the cost of reducing income inequality (which the Republican donors do not approve of).  That's bad for their 2014 election hopes and post-retirement lobbying careers.

1.  What specifically will improve the economy, and how?  

2.  You are implying that Republicans don't want the economy to improve?  

3.  You'll have a tough time proving Obama's policies will reduce income inequality.  As for whether Republicans support doing so, that's a bigger question.  I suspect many do, but don't want the government using force to do it (redistribution).   

4.  It's probably too early to make those predictions.  I don't know which would hurt them more...caving in, or letting us go over the so-called cliff.   Obviously there are a lot more variables, including the political and economic environments in 2014.  

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Nope. They just need to compromise ( they haven't been even trying until recently ). That will help them politically as in having a future.

I disagree.  They immediately offered $800 billion in revenues (read:  tax increases).  This was a major step.  The WH rejected it out of hand.  How is that not compromise?  

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Originally Posted by BR 

It is in Republican politicians' personal interests for the economy to tank under Obama's leadership.  And let's stop pretending that Republicans should get any cuts "in exchange" for the top 2% having their marginal tax rates increased--the people have already spoken on that one.  When Republicans have "offered" things the vast majority of the populace demand "in exchange" for repealing Obamacare, gouging Social Security, or anything else equally ridiculous, it is obvious that Republicans either aren't living in reality or don't want to deal--or maybe both.

 

How about passing Obama's jobs program?  The stimulus worked, but we needed more.  

 Oh god people are still pushing the "stimulus"? DC has a spending and borrowing problem and we're told more spending, borrowing and taxing is the solution. FML.

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Republican politicians don't want to cave because they know they are full of shit and that what Obama proposes will improve the economy, but at the cost of reducing income inequality (which the Republican donors do not approve of).  That's bad for their 2014 election hopes and post-retirement lobbying careers.

 

1.  What specifically will improve the economy, and how?  

 

2.  You are implying that Republicans don't want the economy to improve?  

 

3.  You'll have a tough time proving Obama's policies will reduce income inequality.  As for whether Republicans support doing so, that's a bigger question.  I suspect many do, but don't want the government using force to do it (redistribution).   

 

4.  It's probably too early to make those predictions.  I don't know which would hurt them more...caving in, or letting us go over the so-called cliff.   Obviously there are a lot more variables, including the political and economic environments in 2014.  

 

 

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Nope. They just need to compromise ( they haven't been even trying until recently ). That will help them politically as in having a future.

 

 

I disagree.  They immediately offered $800 billion in revenues (read:  tax increases).  This was a major step.  The WH rejected it out of hand.  How is that not compromise?  

Because they understand who won the election and what the polling indicates what the American voter wants. That is the Bush era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 are not a question. They have to be removed. Then they will get their compromises from the Democratic side. And like I've said it's what the people want. Not just the Democrats.

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Because they understand who won the election

If Obama has so much more power as a result of being re-elected president, then he should just come up with a budget on his own and pass it.

P.S. Other people besides Obama won also. People who represent a different views and positions on these issues.

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

and what the polling indicates what the American voter wants.

They want spending cuts also. You (and the Democrats) seem to not care about that part of what they want.

Besides all of that, what the American people want may not be the best thing.

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

That is the Bush era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 are not a question. They have to be removed.

Why?

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Originally Posted by BR 

It is in Republican politicians' personal interests for the economy to tank under Obama's leadership.  

Make the case.  Be specific.  

By returning the GOP majority?  And even if we accepted your premise, does that mean its good policy?  

Such as?

What offer on Obamacare are you referring to?  Who is proposing "gouging" Social Security?  I understand you oppose repealing Obamacare and reforming Social Security, but do you honestly feel both ideas are "ridiculous?"  

  The stimulus did not work, certainly not to the point where it brought more good than bad.  Really, the notion that you're arguing for more "stimulus" (read:  government spending) is just absurd.  

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Because they understand who won the election and what the polling indicates what the American voter wants.

No, that is what you are ignoring.  

Ahh.  I believe the polling supports raising taxes "on the rich."  I don't know what the specific question is (i.e. what defines rich).  

Why?  

People do favor "raising taxes on the rich."  That doesn't make it a good idea.  And the GOP has already offered to raise taxes on the rich.  The White House just rejected such a plan today.  It even included rate increases on those over $1,000,000.  What's the excuse now, jimmac?  

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And what ridiculous nonspecific cuts did the Repubs offer in exchange?  

I don't know what you mean by that.  

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And what ridiculous nonspecific cuts did the Repubs offer in exchange?  

 

I don't know what you mean by that.  

He's getting a bit hard to understand isn't he.

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He's getting a bit hard to understand isn't he.

Quite.  First he criticized the GOP for wanting spending cuts in exchange for tax increases.  Then he said they offered spending cuts in exchange for...well who knows.  

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Originally Posted by BR 

It is in Republican politicians' personal interests for the economy to tank under Obama's leadership.

Why, is Obama planning to run for a third term?

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

Because they understand who won the election

 

If Obama has so much more power as a result of being re-elected president, then he should just come up with a budget on his own and pass it.

 

P.S. Other people besides Obama won also. People who represent a different views and positions on these issues.

 

 

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

and what the polling indicates what the American voter wants.

 

They want spending cuts also. You (and the Democrats) seem to not care about that part of what they want.

 

Besides all of that, what the American people want may not be the best thing.

 

 

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

That is the Bush era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 are not a question. They have to be removed.

 

Why?

Well you keep asking questions you should already know the answer to!

Aside from all of the other reasons it's what most of the American public want. This is reflected in the polls. Now you can harp on the " But is it the right thing to do " rhetoric but who's version of right are you talking about? In this instance it's what most of the voting public wants. And by the way that's how this country is run. Any other scenario is like I've already said. It would be a small faction dictating policy to the whole. That's just wrong. It's not the way this country is run and it's not what the founding fathers intended.

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Well you keep asking questions you should already know the answer to!

I see, you want to play games.

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Aside from all of the other reasons...

What reasons are those?

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 it's what most of the American public want.

So whatever a majority of Americans want, we should just do?

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This is reflected in the polls.

As are their desire for spending cuts, but you seem to be conveniently and consistently ignoring these.

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Now you can harp on the " But is it the right thing to do " rhetoric but who's version of right are you talking about?

Well, first, there aren't multiple versions of right and wrong. Second, I'm speaking specifically about what would be best for the country, economy and Americans as a whole.

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In this instance it's what most of the voting public wants. And by the way that's how this country is run. Any other scenario is like I've already said. It would be a small faction dictating policy to the whole. That's just wrong. It's not the way this country is run and it's not what the founding fathers intended.

Actually, you're wrong, that's not what the founding father intended. They intended a constitutional federal republic with elements of representative democracy (apparently with a limited central government also) in which the will of the majority (or minority) is constrained and limited by a written constitution.

But we've pretty much discarded all of that by now anyway.

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Because they understand who won the election

 

If Obama has so much more power as a result of being re-elected president, then he should just come up with a budget on his own and pass it.

 

P.S. Other people besides Obama won also. People who represent a different views and positions on these issues.

 

 

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and what the polling indicates what the American voter wants.

 

They want spending cuts also. You (and the Democrats) seem to not care about that part of what they want.

 

Besides all of that, what the American people want may not be the best thing.

 

 

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Originally Posted by jimmac 

That is the Bush era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 are not a question. They have to be removed.

 

Why?

Well you keep asking questions you should already know the answer to!

 

Aside from all of the other reasons it's what most of the American public want. This is reflected in the polls. Now you can harp on the " But is it the right thing to do " rhetoric but who's version of right are you talking about? In this instance it's what most of the voting public wants. And by the way that's how this country is run. Any other scenario is like I've already said. It would be a small faction dictating policy to the whole. That's just wrong. It's not the way this country is run and it's not what the founding fathers intended.

I wonder how many hits a search for the terms "Jimmac" and "tyranny of the majority" would turn up from during the Bush years?

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Well you keep asking questions you should already know the answer to!

 

Aside from all of the other reasons it's what most of the American public want. 

Does that make it the right thing to do?  

That depends on the issue.  Yes, they support higher taxes on the rich (even though that makes no sense).  But they support spending cuts, too.  Funny how you've ignored that.  

Uh, the version that works mathematically?  

Again, you're referencing only that part you want to hear.  They want a lot of things.  Funny how you focus only on raising taxes for the rich.  People also want less government, less spending, less involvement in their lives, etc.  

No, it's not actually.  See the previous comments on a representative Republic.  We don't live in a pure democracy. 

That is incorrect, because we have another scenario...we have the aforementioned Republic.  The majority rules, but only as consistent with the Constitution (well..at least that's how it was intended to work).   

Strawman.  No one is arguing that the founding father intended us to me ruled by a tiny minority.  In fact, how you fail to see the irony if your statement is beyond me.  Our founding fathers would be horrified and deeply saddened at what our government has become.  Do you honestly think they envisioned the government we have?  Do you honestly think they wanted a cradle-to-grave entitlement system?  Do you honestly think they meant for the 1st Amendment to prevent public expression of religion?  Do you honestly think that they would have sanctioned a health care bill that requires the populace to buy a private product?  Do you honestly think they would support trillion-dollar "stimulus" programs, bailouts, etc?  And how can you argue for simple majority rule while 1) ignoring what the majority is actually saying and 2) arguing to get back to the founding fathers' intent (i.e. the Constitution)?   

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Because they understand who won the election

 

If Obama has so much more power as a result of being re-elected president, then he should just come up with a budget on his own and pass it.

 

P.S. Other people besides Obama won also. People who represent a different views and positions on these issues.

 

 

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and what the polling indicates what the American voter wants.

 

They want spending cuts also. You (and the Democrats) seem to not care about that part of what they want.

 

Besides all of that, what the American people want may not be the best thing.

 

 

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That is the Bush era tax cuts for people making more than $250,000 are not a question. They have to be removed.

 

Why?

Well you keep asking questions you should already know the answer to!

 

Aside from all of the other reasons it's what most of the American public want. This is reflected in the polls. Now you can harp on the " But is it the right thing to do " rhetoric but who's version of right are you talking about? In this instance it's what most of the voting public wants. And by the way that's how this country is run. Any other scenario is like I've already said. It would be a small faction dictating policy to the whole. That's just wrong. It's not the way this country is run and it's not what the founding fathers intended.

 

 

I wonder how many hits a search for the terms "Jimmac" and "tyranny of the majority" would turn up from during the Bush years?

Why don't you try that search and see what you get?  Although I can already tell you since I've never claimed anything remotely like that. If you want to contend that statrement trumpy why don't you prove me wrong.

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Well you keep asking questions you should already know the answer to!

 

Aside from all of the other reasons it's what most of the American public want. 

 

Does that make it the right thing to do?  

 

 

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This is reflected in the polls.

 

That depends on the issue.  Yes, they support higher taxes on the rich (even though that makes no sense).  But they support spending cuts, too.  Funny how you've ignored that.  

 

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 Now you can harp on the " But is it the right thing to do " rhetoric but who's version of right are you talking about?

 

Uh, the version that works mathematically?  

 

 

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In this instance it's what most of the voting public wants

 

Again, you're referencing only that part you want to hear.  They want a lot of things.  Funny how you focus only on raising taxes for the rich.  People also want less government, less spending, less involvement in their lives, etc.  

 

 

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And by the way that's how this country is run.

 

No, it's not actually.  See the previous comments on a representative Republic.  We don't live in a pure democracy. 

 

 

 

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Any other scenario is like I've already said. It would be a small faction dictating policy to the whole.

 

That is incorrect, because we have another scenario...we have the aforementioned Republic.  The majority rules, but only as consistent with the Constitution (well..at least that's how it was intended to work).   

 

 

 

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 That's just wrong. It's not the way this country is run and it's not what the founding fathers intended.

 

Strawman.  No one is arguing that the founding father intended us to me ruled by a tiny minority.  In fact, how you fail to see the irony if your statement is beyond me.  Our founding fathers would be horrified and deeply saddened at what our government has become.  Do you honestly think they envisioned the government we have?  Do you honestly think they wanted a cradle-to-grave entitlement system?  Do you honestly think they meant for the 1st Amendment to prevent public expression of religion?  Do you honestly think that they would have sanctioned a health care bill that requires the populace to buy a private product?  Do you honestly think they would support trillion-dollar "stimulus" programs, bailouts, etc?  And how can you argue for simple majority rule while 1) ignoring what the majority is actually saying and 2) arguing to get back to the founding fathers' intent (i.e. the Constitution)?   

What's this your special polls again?

Everything I've seen says the majority wants congress to approve the rich ($ 250,000 and above ) tax cut roll back. Maybe you can show me something different but from what I've seen and read that's what they support. I'll tell you what they'd ( the founding fathers ) be horrified over. The smaller minority at the top getting big breaks while the average person ( the middlel class ) is struggleing to keep up They'd go " Why did we even leave England? We have the signs of a ruling class here now " . That's what the Republicans support and it's why their popularity is waining.

And SDW who's defining what the right thing to do is?

Is it the right thing to do because the rich don't want their taxes to go up? Or would the opposite be the right thing to do because it's unfair to the average person who can't afford to bear the tax burden? I'm sure the Republicans and anyone who makes more than $250,00 would as you say define it as " Right ".

Either way this is a democracy ( inspite of how MJ views it  ) and the majority vote rules. Not the tiny portion at the top.

Ps. By the way I've never denied they ( the voters ) want cuts. The Democrats want them also but they want this tax issue resolved first. And that is what the voters want.

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I'll tell you what they'd ( the founding fathers ) be horrified over.

The level of taxation, spending and size of government as it is now.

Heck the colonies seceded from England and fought a revolutionary war over less than this.

Let's see what fun we can have with this idea:

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What's this your special polls again?

The polls I'm referencing are widely available.  I think you know it.  

I don't know what the exact figure is ($250,000?) in those polls, but you're correct that people favor taxing wealthy Americans more.  I've actually seen some evidence that people think the number should be higher, though I don't know of any polling data that supports this...yet.  

Such as?  Our tax system is among the most progressive in the world.  

So you're claiming that these "big breaks" are responsible for a struggling middle class?  How?  What breaks?  How will ending them help the middle class?  

Are you honestly trying the "Republicans only are out for the rich" line?  Because I've gotta tell you, you sound ridiculous if so.  

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And SDW who's defining what the right thing to do is?

Math.  Logic.  History.  Three very important fellows.  

No.  It's not the wrong thing due to that, either.  

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Is someone suggesting tax cuts for the average person?  Is someone suggesting we lower taxes for the wealthy instead of the middle class?  

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I'm sure the Republicans and anyone who makes more than $250,00 would as you say define it as " Right ".

Who says that specifically?  Judging one's arguments based on his income would seem useless (unless, that is, we're talking about how to make lots of money).  

No, it's not.  It's a Democratic Republic.  

No, it doesn't.  Not necessarily.  

 Unfortunately, they do..and this applies to both parties.   

You also haven't acknowledged it until now.  As for Democrats, what have they proposed?  There is zero evidence they support any real cuts.  Obama's first offer included no cuts and $50 billion in NEW spending.  Come on, jimmac.  

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Either way this is a democracy ( inspite of how MJ views it  ) and the majority vote rules.

Looks like someone failed (or should have) civics/american history & government class.

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Looks like someone failed (or should have) civics/american history & government class.

It would seem so.  Then again, he also thinks that raising taxes on the so-called rich is good policy, will be effective in reducing our deficit, and creating growth.  

Well folks it looks like the conservatives are still stuck in their rhetorical rut. Right off the edge of the cliff!

And by cliff I'm not just referring to the fiscal cliff I'm talking about their own image / popularity support cliff.

Oh well some things just have to fail and go away ( or shrink into obscurity ) before they can change. I'm sure ( and it sounds like ) the extreme factions of conservatism just don't get that.

It won't change what has to happen for the GOP to be viable again. Oh well!  With some things you just have to sit back and let happen.

Ps. It's just too bad in the mean time it has to affect the rest of us!

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Originally Posted by SDW2001 

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 

 

Looks like someone failed (or should have) civics/american history & government class.

 

It would seem so.  Then again, he also thinks that raising taxes on the so-called rich is good policy, will be effective in reducing our deficit, and creating growth.  

You guys do realize you were peddling the same kind of stuff just before the last two elections?